fatness
Footballguy
I think they might get him for a second round pick. I don't think they'd offer it though.
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QB Kirk Cousins, ATL (2 Viewers)
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Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
Are you implying yours is documented? Please send these things to Shuke so we can confirm. TIA.I'm sure your documented FF success is much better. Congrats.
Mario Kart
Footballguy
Wow, my pen is bigger than your pen is.
Buffaloes
Footballguy
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
I won a helicopter playing fantasy football in 2008, came with the pilot and everything. 
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
I was there. Beautiful bird.I won a helicopter playing fantasy football in 2008, came with the pilot and everything.
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
No way those three chicks were under the total allowed weight limit, we really dodged the proverbial bullet there.I was there. Beautiful bird.I won a helicopter playing fantasy football in 2008, came with the pilot and everything.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Packer fans -- couldn't be avoided.No way those three chicks were under the total allowed weight limit, we really dodged the proverbial bullet there.I was there. Beautiful bird.I won a helicopter playing fantasy football in 2008, came with the pilot and everything.
CalBear
Footballguy
They can get 56.2% completions, 6.5 yards/attempt, 8 TDs and 10 INTs, 68.6 passer rating, 1-3 record as a starter, from guys already on the squad. Both Cassell and Ponder did better than that this year.
cstu
Footballguy
Peyton Manning completed 56% of his passes, had 26 TD/28 INT's, and a passer rating of 71.2 his rookie year. A lot of QB's start off slow.
FunkyPlutos
Footballguy
But Cassell isn't under contract for next year and they are done with Ponder...so it is a matter of if Cousins is better than whatever will be left for them at #8 (or in the 2nd or 3rd round).
CalBear
Footballguy
Cousins is a second-year player; I was giving him the benefit of the doubt by including the one decent game he's played, which was in his rookie year. If you want to look only at what Cousins did in his second year, those numbers go to 52.3%, 4 TD, 7 INT, 5.5 yards/attempt, 58.4 passer rating, 0-3 record. Every season Ponder and Cassel have played has been better than that.
CalBear
Footballguy
Or in free agency. Vick and Josh McCown, have better cred than Cousins, and I'd even look at Sanchez before Cousins if I have to give up anything to get Cousins. And there are probably four or five QBs in the draft who are solidly better prospects than Cousins.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
fatness
Footballguy
Yeah, if Cousins had put together 3 good games at the end of the season we'd be hearing how it proved he deserved to be the starter.
pizzatyme
Footballguy
People said much the same about Nick Foles last season and this summer. I believe there was even chatter of possibly cutting Foles in camp as he "didn't fit the system". Due to need he got a hot and excelled on a GOOD OFFENSE.
All I'm saying is Cousins hasn't had that opportunity yet.
Last year when the Skins offense was GOOD Cousins did well. Not so much this season when the team and especially the offense was BAD.
Cousins has certainly proven he sucks on a BAD offense. Of course the same can be said of most QBs. Even a future HOF QB like Brady has looked bad at times this year when the offense was BAD. I'm not saying Brady is bad as we have a much larger sample size.
This is difficult or some to comprehend. I'm not a fan of Cousins. I'm a pseudo fan of the Skins and started this thread because I could see that Griffin was struggling. He was also struggling on a BAD offense, so I give him a pass for this year and hope he returns next season stronger and gets back to a dominant level.
Clear enough?
All I'm saying is Cousins hasn't had that opportunity yet.
Last year when the Skins offense was GOOD Cousins did well. Not so much this season when the team and especially the offense was BAD.
Cousins has certainly proven he sucks on a BAD offense. Of course the same can be said of most QBs. Even a future HOF QB like Brady has looked bad at times this year when the offense was BAD. I'm not saying Brady is bad as we have a much larger sample size.
This is difficult or some to comprehend. I'm not a fan of Cousins. I'm a pseudo fan of the Skins and started this thread because I could see that Griffin was struggling. He was also struggling on a BAD offense, so I give him a pass for this year and hope he returns next season stronger and gets back to a dominant level.
Clear enough?
CalBear
Footballguy
Griffin may have been struggling relative to his rookie season, but he actually had a decent passing year. Certainly far better than Cousins did. 82.2 rating and 7.02 yards/attempt are in the middle of the NFL pack; not as good as his rookie season, but way better than Cousins or any of the others listed here.
JetMaxx
Footballguy
Am I alone in thinking the Skins should dial up the Texans to see if they would part with a couple 2s, this year and next, for Griffin? Skins rid themselves of RG3, recoup some pics while he still holds market value, and roll with Cousins. If he's good, they have a keeper, if he stinks, draft your franchise guy next year. Being a Texas guy, RG3 would be a great sell for the Texans.
pizzatyme
Footballguy
Calbear, I'm not disagreeing here. He was down compared to least season and many of his stats came with the team down big due to the porous defense.
Should he have been benched? Maybe not. However, it served several purposes:
Protected him from injury
Got the Shanahans fired
"Exposed" Cousins
Gave him a chance to watch from the sidelines
Maybe fired him up to get better, bigger, badder
The only negative there to me is diminishing the possible trade value of Cousins. And that's if anyone other than a message board mob was even considering that.
Should he have been benched? Maybe not. However, it served several purposes:
Protected him from injury
Got the Shanahans fired
"Exposed" Cousins
Gave him a chance to watch from the sidelines
Maybe fired him up to get better, bigger, badder
The only negative there to me is diminishing the possible trade value of Cousins. And that's if anyone other than a message board mob was even considering that.
pizzatyme
Footballguy
Prepare to be flamed. There are a lot of Griffin ball washers on this board who are Skins fans it appears. This is blasphemy!
CalBear
Footballguy
packersfan
Footballguy
Ultimately, I think getting rid of Shanahan will prove to be a huge positive for Washington and Griffin so the short-term lunacy of benching Griffin may end up working out in the long run.
However, if there was damage done to Cousins' trade value - and it's difficult to believe there wasn't considering how unimpressive he generally was - that could be a huge negative consequence. Griffin is clearly the future at quarterback and in my opinion clearly the superior talent. So really Cousins' best value to the team comes in the form of potential trade compensation. Given how important the position is there's always a chance some team (and it just takes one) will overpay for Cousins but I think the element of the unknown with Cousins was working in the team's favor. Now that cat's out of the bag unless/until he gets another shot (which could happen since Griffin's style of play would seem to lend itself to injuries, similar to what Vick's gone through in his career).
I don't think Washington would've looked to trade Cousins this coming offseason (that was just more gibberish from a delusional Shanahan) but there's no point to it now. Unless a team really overpaid for him you'd be Selling Low.
However, if there was damage done to Cousins' trade value - and it's difficult to believe there wasn't considering how unimpressive he generally was - that could be a huge negative consequence. Griffin is clearly the future at quarterback and in my opinion clearly the superior talent. So really Cousins' best value to the team comes in the form of potential trade compensation. Given how important the position is there's always a chance some team (and it just takes one) will overpay for Cousins but I think the element of the unknown with Cousins was working in the team's favor. Now that cat's out of the bag unless/until he gets another shot (which could happen since Griffin's style of play would seem to lend itself to injuries, similar to what Vick's gone through in his career).
I don't think Washington would've looked to trade Cousins this coming offseason (that was just more gibberish from a delusional Shanahan) but there's no point to it now. Unless a team really overpaid for him you'd be Selling Low.
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packersfan
Footballguy
Newton went through many of the same things last season (also his second year) and things turned out rather well for him and the Panthers. I know it isn't always easy to be patient but when you have someone who clearly has elite talent I think you need to show plenty of patience - and then plenty more - to ensure you've done everything possible to get him to play at that elite level his talent has shown he can reach.
JetMaxx
Footballguy
Good point with Newton. I'm not a fan of his either and I question whether he has the intangibles to raise his team to the pinnacle but he has advanced.
metoo
Footballguy
fatness
Footballguy
The only thing such a trade would accomplish would be to give some message board posters who don't like Griffin a "Ha!. Told you so!" moment. It would do nothing but damage for the Redskins.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
You're doing yourself a disservice, listening to that kind of moronic rumor-mongering.
fatness
Footballguy
Seriously? Please find a legitimate source that says RG3 is a poor leader. Every rumor that suggested that was shot down by teammates and people within the organization. Is this stemming from the whole "OL don't help RG3 up" non-story?
Then you should have NO trepidation about sharing your projections prior to next season, right?
It's very easy, after the fact, to say "I was right." It's much harder to make predictions ahead of time, and then actually be right.
As of right now, you are 0 for 1 on this board. You predicted that Cousins was the "real #1" in Washington ahead of time, and after the fact you were proven to be completely wrong.
Don't brag about money you won (or are pretending to have won), because maybe you did win & maybe you didn't; but no one knows if you used your own predictions, just followed the "experts," got some lucky picks, etc. That's not the question here, what is, is your ability to analyze players/situations and accurately predict how they will play out.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Off the top of my head:
Successes
Brett Favre
Matt Hasselbeck
Moderately successful
Matt Shaub
Matt Cassell
Disasters
AJ Feeley
Jim Druckenmiller
pizzatyme
Footballguy
First off, nothing has been proven. Griffin failed, Cousins failed. Technically, I was proven to be right because the last 3 games of the season Cousins WAS the #1. So, I am 1-0. As for projections, I utilize FBGs and then go from there to adjust projections, make selections, and build my teams. Results are an indicator of preparation. My sample size is large enough to show that it's not just a blind squirrel effect.
You are more than welcome to join me in Vegas next year for the FFPC drafts. I'm in all of the Draftmasters. Many of my opponents who play in high stakes are on this board, so I'm not going to stupidly post projections, but since you feel the need to call me out then put your money where your mouth is.
fatness
Footballguy
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
ShaHBucks
Footballguy
This is not your Dynasty league where you can just grab a staring QB off the waiver wire at anytime when your QB drops a few duds in a row, or insert your backup until you starter has a better matchup. You don't give up on the kind of player RG3 has shown to be in his second season. Don't be so irrational, relax. Right now just worry about if the next head coach will come in and fully commit to using RG3 skill set, unlike Shananhan.
cstu
Footballguy
I'd put 2 time Pro Bowler Schaub in the successful list.
Despite one good season from Cassel I think he was a disaster considering the money they paid him and the 34th overall pick they gave up.
cstu
Footballguy
The point would be to get rid of the QB controversy and put the team's full faith in Griffin.
I didn't think you'd have the guts to do so. As I said, it's easy to say, after the fact, "I was right about this." Much harder to make predictions ahead of time. It's okay that you aren't confident enough to do so, just don't make up stories about why you won't share your "brilliant" skill at evaluating NFL players/situations.
As for what was "proven," the thread YOU started is titled:
"When does Kirk Cousins get his chance to show he's the #1"He very clearly showed by his performance that he is not the #1. The only thing that has been proven in this thread is that you were wrong. Kirk Cousins didn't show he was a #1, far from it.
CalBear
Footballguy
cstu
Footballguy
It won't matter, a couple of bad games by Griffin and people will be clamoring for Cousins.
cstu
Footballguy
pizzatyme
Footballguy
No, I'm taking my projections to the bank, pal.
