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On 4/16/2021 at 12:29 PM, Hawks64 said:

Depends on which models you're looking at. The QN90 maybe, the QN85 maybe not. Why moving away from OLED?

The room I want to put it in is really bright and I plan on adding a window to it. 

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Finally pulled the trigger after squeezing as much life as I could out of my old Sony DLP.  LG CX65 OLED scheduled for delivery tomorrow!

i absolutely hate tvs over the fire place

Walking out of Costco with the 77 inch LG CX right now 

I’ve heard this microchip shortage might lead to a TV shortage so if anyone is interested, I would move quick just in case.

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I know - First World problems, but I'd have to say that there might be such a thing as too clear for movies.   

Could be my eyes, maybe my settings, but I can't seem to shake that the movies look a bit cheesy.   If I am honest, it's chipping away at my enjoyment of movies a tad.   Seems like older movies aren't as bad, but I was watching stuff like Pulp Fiction and Jurassic Park and I was distracted by it.  

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19 minutes ago, KarmaPolice said:

I know - First World problems, but I'd have to say that there might be such a thing as too clear for movies.   

Could be my eyes, maybe my settings, but I can't seem to shake that the movies look a bit cheesy.   If I am honest, it's chipping away at my enjoyment of movies a tad.   Seems like older movies aren't as bad, but I was watching stuff like Pulp Fiction and Jurassic Park and I was distracted by it.  

Have you turned off/down your set's motion smoothing setting?

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10 minutes ago, Andy Dufresne said:

Have you turned off/down your set's motion smoothing setting?

I was just reading up on some settings.  I thought I did it off when I first got it, but maybe one of the kids reset it or something.  I will poke around more tonight.  

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The other thing I never seem to get right that distracts are the blacks.  If it's a dark scene with a lot of black, they always look cloudy/swirly with motion in that area.   Ie a show like GoT looked terrible on the old TV and I have been surprised that it's basically the same thing for me on this one.  

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49 minutes ago, KarmaPolice said:

I know - First World problems, but I'd have to say that there might be such a thing as too clear for movies.   

Could be my eyes, maybe my settings, but I can't seem to shake that the movies look a bit cheesy.   If I am honest, it's chipping away at my enjoyment of movies a tad.   Seems like older movies aren't as bad, but I was watching stuff like Pulp Fiction and Jurassic Park and I was distracted by it.  

 

17 minutes ago, KarmaPolice said:

I was just reading up on some settings.  I thought I did it off when I first got it, but maybe one of the kids reset it or something.  I will poke around more tonight.  

Your likely experiencing the soap opera effect.  Some people notice it others can’t unsee it (I’m in the second group). Turning off any motion management stuff will help.  What TV?

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1 hour ago, dkp993 said:

 

Your likely experiencing the soap opera effect.  Some people notice it others can’t unsee it (I’m in the second group). Turning off any motion management stuff will help.  What TV?

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14 hours ago, KarmaPolice said:

The other thing I never seem to get right that distracts are the blacks.  If it's a dark scene with a lot of black, they always look cloudy/swirly with motion in that area.   Ie a show like GoT looked terrible on the old TV and I have been surprised that it's basically the same thing for me on this one.  

Are you streaming or watching a disc? Streaming, you're likely seeing the effects of compression - and there's not much you can do to get around that.

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4 hours ago, Andy Dufresne said:

Are you streaming or watching a disc? Streaming, you're likely seeing the effects of compression - and there's not much you can do to get around that.

Mostly streaming.   You are saying that wouldn't be an issue if I had the 4K GoT discs?

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4 minutes ago, KarmaPolice said:

Mostly streaming.   You are saying that wouldn't be an issue if I had the 4K GoT discs?

I would guess it would be much less of an issue, yes.

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OK, so here's a twist. Before I pull the trigger on the TV I want (I just dropped the equivalent of multiple TV's on a new website for a new business venture), I'm going to put a TV in the boys room. So I want something cheap, decent, good for gaming. I'm thinking 55 inch. 

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Definitely sounds like some motion smoothing settings going on. I think the OLED I have does a good job in pricing clear crisp pictures for newer movies and a film like grain for older movies. Every once in awhile there will be some makeup or visual effect that clearly wasn’t built with UHD in mind and it looks cheap but that’s not too often.

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22 minutes ago, Ilov80s said:

Definitely sounds like some motion smoothing settings going on. I think the OLED I have does a good job in pricing clear crisp pictures for newer movies and a film like grain for older movies. Every once in awhile there will be some makeup or visual effect that clearly wasn’t built with UHD in mind and it looks cheap but that’s not too often.

For sure.  Though if I’m honest I’m struggling with the SOE on my Q80t especially when compared to my previous Samsung plasma.  If I turn off all the motion settings the picture gets to juddery for me.  So I have to turn the motion on low and get some SOE.  

I will say I like this TV but don’t love it like I loved my Samsung.  But I guess there’s a reason why the Samsung was considered the best plasma ever.  

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On 5/22/2021 at 9:42 PM, KarmaPolice said:

I know - First World problems, but I'd have to say that there might be such a thing as too clear for movies.   

Could be my eyes, maybe my settings, but I can't seem to shake that the movies look a bit cheesy.   If I am honest, it's chipping away at my enjoyment of movies a tad.   Seems like older movies aren't as bad, but I was watching stuff like Pulp Fiction and Jurassic Park and I was distracted by it.  

I find 4K movies can be too bright, etc.

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I did fart around with the settings and I think it looks a bit better.  Yes, the motion smoothing was on (thanks for the reminder tip, guys! ).  I could have sworn I turned that off and used the settings that Charlie relinked when I first bought the thing, but either the kids reset some things, or I got high one night and did something.  :lol: 

I watched a few things, and it did look a bit less "fake" than what I was experiencing the last couple months.  

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18 hours ago, dkp993 said:

For sure.  Though if I’m honest I’m struggling with the SOE on my Q80t especially when compared to my previous Samsung plasma.  If I turn off all the motion settings the picture gets to juddery for me.  So I have to turn the motion on low and get some SOE.  

I will say I like this TV but don’t love it like I loved my Samsung.  But I guess there’s a reason why the Samsung was considered the best plasma ever.  

Is it juddery all the time or only when streaming? 

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4 hours ago, Ilov80s said:

Is it juddery all the time or only when streaming? 

It’s more about fast moving “action” scenes vs streaming.  Was watching Captain America Civil War on TNT this weekend, the fight scenes were tough to watch as the juddering bothered me so much.  It very fast, not like a freeze frame type judder, but it’s one of those things that once you pick up on it you can’t unsee it when it happens. 

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1 hour ago, dkp993 said:

It’s more about fast moving “action” scenes vs streaming.  Was watching Captain America Civil War on TNT this weekend, the fight scenes were tough to watch as the juddering bothered me so much.  It very fast, not like a freeze frame type judder, but it’s one of those things that once you pick up on it you can’t unsee it when it happens. 

Interesting. Haven’t had that issue, action is usually pretty smooth. Thought some stuff on TV doesn’t look perfect when fast moving but I had the same issue with my plasma- just won’t think UVerse is giving true 1080. OLEDs supposedly have a skipping issue that doesn’t haven’t to do with action vs non action but seems to happen when streaming. The TV basically is so far superior to the stream that sometimes you can see missing frames is how I think it works. I had that issue at first but some slight tweaking to the settings and using a firestick instead my 4K player to stream fixed the issue.

 

Do you notice this when watching blu rays, 4Ks or playing video games?

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4 minutes ago, Ilov80s said:

Interesting. Haven’t had that issue, action is usually pretty smooth. Thought some stuff on TV doesn’t look perfect when fast moving but I had the same issue with my plasma- just won’t think UVerse is giving true 1080. OLEDs supposedly have a skipping issue that doesn’t haven’t to do with action vs non action but seems to happen when streaming. The TV basically is so far superior to the stream that sometimes you can see missing frames is how I think it works. I had that issue at first but some slight tweaking to the settings and using a firestick instead my 4K player to stream fixed the issue.

 

Do you notice this when watching blu rays, 4Ks or playing video games?

Interesting info here. Thanks.  What’s funny is the complaints I’ve seen with this TV are around sports and it seeming to skip frames when the action happens (like hiking the ball for example).  I’ve seen none of that with mine.  

Like you mention I’ve played around a ton with my motion settings.  Have found a spot where it seems to be the the best but it’s not gone.  

Haven’t watch any blu rays (in years really) or 4K content yet  Have played games and had no issue but it has a game mode it switches into which likely helps   Unfortunately that mode when watching TV really effects the color balance, brightness and over all picture,  To much so to adjust for it in those settings.   

 

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25 minutes ago, Ilov80s said:

Interesting. Haven’t had that issue, action is usually pretty smooth. Thought some stuff on TV doesn’t look perfect when fast moving but I had the same issue with my plasma- just won’t think UVerse is giving true 1080. OLEDs supposedly have a skipping issue that doesn’t haven’t to do with action vs non action but seems to happen when streaming. The TV basically is so far superior to the stream that sometimes you can see missing frames is how I think it works. I had that issue at first but some slight tweaking to the settings and using a firestick instead my 4K player to stream fixed the issue.

 

Do you notice this when watching blu rays, 4Ks or playing video games?

I notice a slight skip occasionally on my LG OLED. I stream Xfinity through the LG App. Doesn't seem top happen streaming Netflix, Prime, etc. 

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On 5/24/2021 at 12:12 PM, TheFanatic said:

OK, so here's a twist. Before I pull the trigger on the TV I want (I just dropped the equivalent of multiple TV's on a new website for a new business venture), I'm going to put a TV in the boys room. So I want something cheap, decent, good for gaming. I'm thinking 55 inch. 

I think the next big thing for gaming is the HDMI 2.1, which there aren't tons of yet.  It's on my radar, but I'm waiting until everyone's stimulus money dries up. 

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TCL - 75” Class 5 Series QLED 4K UHD Smart Roku TV $999
Samsung - HW-S60T 4.0ch All-in-One Soundbar with Alexa Built-in (2020) - Black

Having this installed next week.  Moved to new house six weeks ago and there is a game room and the seller left a nice, slate pool table.  Custom ping pong table can sit on pool table also.  Really looking forward to getting this room all decked out.

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On 10/10/2020 at 7:03 PM, Andy Dufresne said:

Just connected a Bluesound Pulse Soundbar 2.1. It's pretty awesome.

HDMI ARC related...

Sony did some sort of update to my 900h that made the HDMI ARC connection to the soundbar misbehave terribly. I was having to reboot the soundbar-which includes unplugging the unit, clearing cache out of the app, etc. A real hassle. It had some it occasionally but now it was a daily thing.

So I decided to run a digital optical cable instead. No more problems.

Plus, and it might be psychological, but I think the sound is better. It seems better balanced and more enveloping. Only downside is having to control volume through my phone.

Maybe HDMI isn't all that?

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17 minutes ago, Andy Dufresne said:

HDMI ARC related...

Sony did some sort of update to my 900h that made the HDMI ARC connection to the soundbar misbehave terribly. I was having to reboot the soundbar-which includes unplugging the unit, clearing cache out of the app, etc. A real hassle. It had some it occasionally but now it was a daily thing.

So I decided to run a digital optical cable instead. No more problems.

Plus, and it might be psychological, but I think the sound is better. It seems better balanced and more enveloping. Only downside is having to control volume through my phone.

Maybe HDMI isn't all that?

HDMI is convenience and less cables.  But the sound should be the same.  Digital is digital.  There isn't good DTS and bad DTS.  If it's DTS it's the same whether it came through optical or HDMI.

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11 minutes ago, John123 said:

HDMI is convenience and less cables.  But the sound should be the same.  Digital is digital.  There isn't good DTS and bad DTS.  If it's DTS it's the same whether it came through optical or HDMI.

Yes, I know. But I can't help think that the connection issues were symptomatic of a larger problem. Maybe it's a faulty HDMI port.

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2 hours ago, Andy Dufresne said:

HDMI ARC related...

Sony did some sort of update to my 900h that made the HDMI ARC connection to the soundbar misbehave terribly. I was having to reboot the soundbar-which includes unplugging the unit, clearing cache out of the app, etc. A real hassle. It had some it occasionally but now it was a daily thing.

So I decided to run a digital optical cable instead. No more problems.

Plus, and it might be psychological, but I think the sound is better. It seems better balanced and more enveloping. Only downside is having to control volume through my phone.

Maybe HDMI isn't all that?

HDMI eARC just plain sucks. I turn it off on everything. For places where I have a soundbar I can use the cable remote to control power/volume of the TV/Soundbar/Cable. For my main just use my craptastic Harmony.

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