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***Detroit Tigers thread: 1st pick yet again, this is not fun*** (2 Viewers)
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BobbyLayne
Footballguy
1-3 7.61
14-6 2.55
$10M 5.10 1.57 7 BS
$7M 45 SV
3-4 4.08
1-3 1.70
Gaping hole in CF
A lot of these didn't go our way, at least not yet. That's new and something we're not used to seeing. We're a bit spoiled from all the trades we came out ahead on prior to this year.
DD made a tremendous trade getting rid of Prince's contract. Kinsler had an awesome first half and has played good D.
Tough breaks: Rondon, Iggy, Hanrahan, Dirks.
14-6 2.55
$10M 5.10 1.57 7 BS
$7M 45 SV
3-4 4.08
1-3 1.70
Gaping hole in CF
A lot of these didn't go our way, at least not yet. That's new and something we're not used to seeing. We're a bit spoiled from all the trades we came out ahead on prior to this year.
DD made a tremendous trade getting rid of Prince's contract. Kinsler had an awesome first half and has played good D.
Tough breaks: Rondon, Iggy, Hanrahan, Dirks.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
The Fister trade set everything in motion. The team was solid keeping Fister and leaving Smyly in the bullpen. Fister was under control for another season and Smyly 4 more seasons. Then move Smyly into the rotation when Max leaves. They would have not traded for Price and kept Jackson in CF. Price can look great at time but in terms of wins and losses it has not been a big upgrade. I was never a big Jackson fan but I sure do miss him in CF now. Before DD rips on me I know I am beating a dead horse but that's what we do here.
Aonther note, if the Twins would have played with that much enthusiasm all season the would be in a playoff hunt. Jesus...you would think they were in a World Series game last night.
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MAC_32
Footballguy
Although the Twins have been playing like this since like early August, still too late, but this isn't new.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
The Tigers will not lose today. Of this, I am 100% convinced.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
A guy on MLB Network said it best. If this team with its roster of cy youngs & mvps can't make it to the postseason, coming out of this division "THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG".
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Here's a quick look at the next series for the Detroit Tigers:
Opponent: Kansas City Royals
Site: Kauffman Stadium in Kansas City
Records: Tigers, 84-68 (1st in AL Central, half-game lead over Kansas City); Royals, 83-68 (2nd in AL Central)
Schedule
Friday: RHP Justin Verlander (13-12, 4.81 ERA) vs. LHP Jason Vargas (11-9, 3.41 ERA), 8:10 p.m., FSD, ESPN2
Saturday: RHP Max Scherzer (16-5, 3.26 ERA) vs. RHP James Shields (14-7, 3.15 ERA), 1:05 p.m., FOX
Sunday: RHP Rick Porcello (15-11, 3.19 ERA) vs. RHP Jeremy Guthrie (11-11, 4.35 ERA), 2:10 p.m., FSD, TBS
Scouting the Royals: The Tigers have a chance to grab a 3 1/2-game lead over the Royals if they can complete a three-game sweep in Kansas City this weekend. Then again, there's a chance they could drop three straight and trail the Royals by 2 1/2 games heading into the final week of the season. Kansas City's top two starters are scheduled to pitch this weekend, including ace James Shields, who tossed seven shutout innings en route to a 3-0 win over the Tigers last week. Royals southpaw Jason Vargas will open the series Friday against Justin Verlander after Tigers manager Brad Ausmus decided to skip rookie Kyle Lobstein and move the rest of the rotation up. Verlander has bullied the Royals for much of his career, but he owns a 5.59 ERA in three starts against the Royals this season and he's posted a 6.00 ERA over his last six starts, during which opponents have hit .311 against him. Royals leadoff hitter Nori Aoki has been particularly hot at the plate as of late, hitting .846 (11 for 13) against the White Sox earlier this week and setting a team record for most hits in a three-game series. Side note: Royals infielder Christian Colon, who is sidelined with a broken middle finger, was placed on the 15-day disabled list on Wednesday. There was no word on whether the Royals are adding another player to the roster prior to Friday's series opener.
Opponent: Kansas City Royals
Site: Kauffman Stadium in Kansas City
Records: Tigers, 84-68 (1st in AL Central, half-game lead over Kansas City); Royals, 83-68 (2nd in AL Central)
Schedule
Friday: RHP Justin Verlander (13-12, 4.81 ERA) vs. LHP Jason Vargas (11-9, 3.41 ERA), 8:10 p.m., FSD, ESPN2
Saturday: RHP Max Scherzer (16-5, 3.26 ERA) vs. RHP James Shields (14-7, 3.15 ERA), 1:05 p.m., FOX
Sunday: RHP Rick Porcello (15-11, 3.19 ERA) vs. RHP Jeremy Guthrie (11-11, 4.35 ERA), 2:10 p.m., FSD, TBS
Scouting the Royals: The Tigers have a chance to grab a 3 1/2-game lead over the Royals if they can complete a three-game sweep in Kansas City this weekend. Then again, there's a chance they could drop three straight and trail the Royals by 2 1/2 games heading into the final week of the season. Kansas City's top two starters are scheduled to pitch this weekend, including ace James Shields, who tossed seven shutout innings en route to a 3-0 win over the Tigers last week. Royals southpaw Jason Vargas will open the series Friday against Justin Verlander after Tigers manager Brad Ausmus decided to skip rookie Kyle Lobstein and move the rest of the rotation up. Verlander has bullied the Royals for much of his career, but he owns a 5.59 ERA in three starts against the Royals this season and he's posted a 6.00 ERA over his last six starts, during which opponents have hit .311 against him. Royals leadoff hitter Nori Aoki has been particularly hot at the plate as of late, hitting .846 (11 for 13) against the White Sox earlier this week and setting a team record for most hits in a three-game series. Side note: Royals infielder Christian Colon, who is sidelined with a broken middle finger, was placed on the 15-day disabled list on Wednesday. There was no word on whether the Royals are adding another player to the roster prior to Friday's series opener.
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
Twins lost two doubleheaders in the same week last week, and were 16-27 since August 1st coming into the Detroit series.MAC_32 said:Da Guru said:
Although the Twins have been playing like this since like early August, still too late, but this isn't new.
They are disgusting.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
That Mac sure knows his stuff
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
Torii Hunter's baserunning gaff last night was the absolute low point in the season IMO. People on twitter were blaming Ausmus, lol.
Hunter is not a good baseball player anymore, not at all.
The David Price meltdown is strange, if you score four runs with him on the mound you should be winning way more than you lose. Scherzer has been bad lately, JV bad all year. Sanchez going down has been pretty big.
Bullpen went a month where it was among the best in the league, but Nathan just can't be the exclusive closer right now. Use Soria as the first option, use Nathan in tie games or maybe to get one or two outs.
KC is going to be crazy this weekend, it's put up or shut up time for both teams. I think Tigers need to win two because you know they'll go 3-4 next week vs the Twins and Sux.
Hunter is not a good baseball player anymore, not at all.
The David Price meltdown is strange, if you score four runs with him on the mound you should be winning way more than you lose. Scherzer has been bad lately, JV bad all year. Sanchez going down has been pretty big.
Bullpen went a month where it was among the best in the league, but Nathan just can't be the exclusive closer right now. Use Soria as the first option, use Nathan in tie games or maybe to get one or two outs.
KC is going to be crazy this weekend, it's put up or shut up time for both teams. I think Tigers need to win two because you know they'll go 3-4 next week vs the Twins and Sux.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Twins lost two doubleheaders in the same week last week, and were 16-27 since August 1st coming into the Detroit series.MAC_32 said:Da Guru said:
Although the Twins have been playing like this since like early August, still too late, but this isn't new.
They are disgusting.
The twins have been pretty awful since early August 
MAC_32
Footballguy
Their record blows because so does their pitching, their offense has been much better.Twins lost two doubleheaders in the same week last week, and were 16-27 since August 1st coming into the Detroit series.
Although the Twins have been playing like this since like early August, still too late, but this isn't new.
They are disgusting.
MAC_32
Footballguy
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Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
What was the most troubling is the infield was playing back and conceding the run. Hunter would not even have drawn a throw. Then you could almost see Mauers eyes light up when he saw Hunter not take off. I hope I am wrong but I still don`t think Ausmus will use Soria instead of Nathan when both are rested. Another thing is that Ausmus needs to stop all the so called defensive moves in the late innings.Torii Hunter's baserunning gaff last night was the absolute low point in the season IMO. People on twitter were blaming Ausmus, lol.
Hunter is not a good baseball player anymore, not at all.
The David Price meltdown is strange, if you score four runs with him on the mound you should be winning way more than you lose. Scherzer has been bad lately, JV bad all year. Sanchez going down has been pretty big.
Bullpen went a month where it was among the best in the league, but Nathan just can't be the exclusive closer right now. Use Soria as the first option, use Nathan in tie games or maybe to get one or two outs.
KC is going to be crazy this weekend, it's put up or shut up time for both teams. I think Tigers need to win two because you know they'll go 3-4 next week vs the Twins and Sux.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
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Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
PARTLY CLOUDY, WIND OUT TO LEFT 7-12. GAME TEMP 80, RH 58% HEAT INDEX 82
Absolutely. We need to keep the offense in the lineup because no lead is safe and all the defense in the world is not going to help Nathan.What was the most troubling is the infield was playing back and conceding the run. Hunter would not even have drawn a throw. Then you could almost see Mauers eyes light up when he saw Hunter not take off. I hope I am wrong but I still don`t think Ausmus will use Soria instead of Nathan when both are rested. Another thing is that Ausmus needs to stop all the so called defensive moves in the late innings.Torii Hunter's baserunning gaff last night was the absolute low point in the season IMO. People on twitter were blaming Ausmus, lol.
Hunter is not a good baseball player anymore, not at all.
The David Price meltdown is strange, if you score four runs with him on the mound you should be winning way more than you lose. Scherzer has been bad lately, JV bad all year. Sanchez going down has been pretty big.
Bullpen went a month where it was among the best in the league, but Nathan just can't be the exclusive closer right now. Use Soria as the first option, use Nathan in tie games or maybe to get one or two outs.
KC is going to be crazy this weekend, it's put up or shut up time for both teams. I think Tigers need to win two because you know they'll go 3-4 next week vs the Twins and Sux.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
GAME INFORMATION
Who: Detroit Tigers (84-68, 1st in AL Central) at Kansas City Royals (83-68, 2nd in AL Central)
When: 8:10 p.m.
Where: Kauffman Stadium in Kansas City, Mo.
TV: Fox Sports Detroit, ESPN 2
Radio: 97.1 The Ticket and the Detroit Tigers radio network
STARTING PITCHERS
Detroit Tigers
Justin Verlander (13-12, 4.81 ERA)
Lifetime vs. Royals: 18-7, 3.23 ERA
Kansas City Royals
Jason Vargas (11-9, 3.41 ERA)
Lifetime vs. Tigers: 3-3, 4.86 ERA
STARTING LINEUPS
(Statistics vs. opposing starter in parentheses)
Detroit Tigers
1. Ian Kinsler, 2B (17 for 56, .304, 6 2Bs, 2 HRs, 5 RBIs)
2. Torii Hunter, RF (12 for 40, .300, 4 2Bs, 4 BBs, 7 SOs)
3. Miguel Cabrera, 1B (5 for 17, .294, 3 2Bs, HR, 7 BBs)
4. Victor Martinez, DH (4 for 11, .364, 4 1Bs)
5. J.D. Martinez, LF (1 for 6, HR)
6. Nick Castellanos, 3B (1 for 12, .083, HR)
7. James McCann, C
8. Eugenio Suarez, SS (0 for 2)
9. Rajai Davis, CF (6 for 22, 2 2Bs, HR, 6 SOs)
Kansas City Royals
1. Alcides Escobar, SS (11 for 53, .208, 3 2Bs)
2. Nori Aoki, RF (2 for 11, .182 3 RBIs, 5 BBs)
3. Lorenzo Cain, CF (6 for 18, .333, 2B, HR)
4. Alex Gordon, LF (16 for 75, .213, 4 2Bs, 2 HRs, 5 RBIs, 10 BBs, 26 SOs)
5. Salvador Perez, C (14 for 33, .424, 7 2Bs, HR, 10 RBIs, 0 BBs, 6 SOs)
6. Eric Hosmer, 1B (14 for 55, .255, 4 2Bs, 3B, HR, 4BBs, 10 SOs)
7. Billy Butler, DH (34 for 82, .415, 5 2Bs, 2 HRs, 15 RBIs, 9 BBs, 12 SOs)
8. Omar Infante, 2B (2 for 17, .118, HR)
9. Mike Moustakas, 3B (8 for 47, .170, HR, 9 SOs)
GAME NOTES
-- Justin Verlander is 18-7 with a 3.23 ERA in his career against the Kansas City Royals, but he is just 2-2 with a 5.57 ERA and a 1.392 WHIP in five starts against them this season.
-- The Royals have scored just 58 runs in 16 games against the Tigers this season. That's an average of 3.6 runs per game. But Verlander has allowed 21 runs (20 earned) in five starts (32.1 IP) against the Royals this season for a 5.57 ERA.
-- James McCann will make his second major league start tonight against Royals left-hander Jason Vargas. Alex Avila sat out the series against the Minnesota Twins due to lightheadedness, but it's a bit of a surprise to see McCann get his first start over Bryan Holaday based on how hesitant Brad Ausmus has been to use McCann thus far.
-- Eugenio Suarez is making a rare start with a left-hander on the mound. Andrew Romine has started in nine of the previous 10 games.
-- The Tigers are 11-5 against the Royals this season and lead the Royals by a half-game in the Central Division standings. Whichever team wins at least two games in this series will hold the division lead come Sunday night.
-- The forecast in Kansas City calls for partly cloudy skies and temperatures in the low 70s for first pitch tonight.
Who: Detroit Tigers (84-68, 1st in AL Central) at Kansas City Royals (83-68, 2nd in AL Central)
When: 8:10 p.m.
Where: Kauffman Stadium in Kansas City, Mo.
TV: Fox Sports Detroit, ESPN 2
Radio: 97.1 The Ticket and the Detroit Tigers radio network
STARTING PITCHERS
Detroit Tigers
Justin Verlander (13-12, 4.81 ERA)
Lifetime vs. Royals: 18-7, 3.23 ERA
Kansas City Royals
Jason Vargas (11-9, 3.41 ERA)
Lifetime vs. Tigers: 3-3, 4.86 ERA
STARTING LINEUPS
(Statistics vs. opposing starter in parentheses)
Detroit Tigers
1. Ian Kinsler, 2B (17 for 56, .304, 6 2Bs, 2 HRs, 5 RBIs)
2. Torii Hunter, RF (12 for 40, .300, 4 2Bs, 4 BBs, 7 SOs)
3. Miguel Cabrera, 1B (5 for 17, .294, 3 2Bs, HR, 7 BBs)
4. Victor Martinez, DH (4 for 11, .364, 4 1Bs)
5. J.D. Martinez, LF (1 for 6, HR)
6. Nick Castellanos, 3B (1 for 12, .083, HR)
7. James McCann, C
8. Eugenio Suarez, SS (0 for 2)
9. Rajai Davis, CF (6 for 22, 2 2Bs, HR, 6 SOs)
Kansas City Royals
1. Alcides Escobar, SS (11 for 53, .208, 3 2Bs)
2. Nori Aoki, RF (2 for 11, .182 3 RBIs, 5 BBs)
3. Lorenzo Cain, CF (6 for 18, .333, 2B, HR)
4. Alex Gordon, LF (16 for 75, .213, 4 2Bs, 2 HRs, 5 RBIs, 10 BBs, 26 SOs)
5. Salvador Perez, C (14 for 33, .424, 7 2Bs, HR, 10 RBIs, 0 BBs, 6 SOs)
6. Eric Hosmer, 1B (14 for 55, .255, 4 2Bs, 3B, HR, 4BBs, 10 SOs)
7. Billy Butler, DH (34 for 82, .415, 5 2Bs, 2 HRs, 15 RBIs, 9 BBs, 12 SOs)
8. Omar Infante, 2B (2 for 17, .118, HR)
9. Mike Moustakas, 3B (8 for 47, .170, HR, 9 SOs)
GAME NOTES
-- Justin Verlander is 18-7 with a 3.23 ERA in his career against the Kansas City Royals, but he is just 2-2 with a 5.57 ERA and a 1.392 WHIP in five starts against them this season.
-- The Royals have scored just 58 runs in 16 games against the Tigers this season. That's an average of 3.6 runs per game. But Verlander has allowed 21 runs (20 earned) in five starts (32.1 IP) against the Royals this season for a 5.57 ERA.
-- James McCann will make his second major league start tonight against Royals left-hander Jason Vargas. Alex Avila sat out the series against the Minnesota Twins due to lightheadedness, but it's a bit of a surprise to see McCann get his first start over Bryan Holaday based on how hesitant Brad Ausmus has been to use McCann thus far.
-- Eugenio Suarez is making a rare start with a left-hander on the mound. Andrew Romine has started in nine of the previous 10 games.
-- The Tigers are 11-5 against the Royals this season and lead the Royals by a half-game in the Central Division standings. Whichever team wins at least two games in this series will hold the division lead come Sunday night.
-- The forecast in Kansas City calls for partly cloudy skies and temperatures in the low 70s for first pitch tonight.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
I like Kelly for Castellanos because the rookie is both brutal and lacks range. But #### bringing in Carrera. His speed doesn't compensate for his poor glove or decision making.What was the most troubling is the infield was playing back and conceding the run. Hunter would not even have drawn a throw. Then you could almost see Mauers eyes light up when he saw Hunter not take off. I hope I am wrong but I still don`t think Ausmus will use Soria instead of Nathan when both are rested. Another thing is that Ausmus needs to stop all the so called defensive moves in the late innings.Torii Hunter's baserunning gaff last night was the absolute low point in the season IMO. People on twitter were blaming Ausmus, lol.
Hunter is not a good baseball player anymore, not at all.
The David Price meltdown is strange, if you score four runs with him on the mound you should be winning way more than you lose. Scherzer has been bad lately, JV bad all year. Sanchez going down has been pretty big.
Bullpen went a month where it was among the best in the league, but Nathan just can't be the exclusive closer right now. Use Soria as the first option, use Nathan in tie games or maybe to get one or two outs.
KC is going to be crazy this weekend, it's put up or shut up time for both teams. I think Tigers need to win two because you know they'll go 3-4 next week vs the Twins and Sux.
Gopher State
Footballguy
play offs start tonight for the Tigers and Royals
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Career high and league leading 49th double for Miggy, who now has more XB hits than last year.
VMart with his 100th RBI - 5th time in his career, first since 2011.
Suarez makes it 3-0.
VMart with his 100th RBI - 5th time in his career, first since 2011.
Suarez makes it 3-0.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
30 doubles & 80 RBIs for Torii
4-0
4-0
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
I love you in those Captain Obvious commercials.Gopher State said:
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
I'm not even trying to bait you, the Twins ####### suck. They are one of the five worst teams in baseball, period. This would be like the 2004 Tigers winning a series vs the 2004 Twins and someone trying to tell me the Tigers were a stout team; tough opponent. No, all the Tigers fans laughed when #### like that happened because we knew they were terrible.Their record blows because so does their pitching, their offense has been much better.Twins lost two doubleheaders in the same week last week, and were 16-27 since August 1st coming into the Detroit series.
Although the Twins have been playing like this since like early August, still too late, but this isn't new.
They are disgusting.
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
39 2B & 83 RBIs for Kinsler
JV battling
Life is good
JV battling
Life is good
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Kinsler was 7-47 over the last two weeks. Two hits, run, RBI tonight. Nails.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Everybody get some.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Pretty rough night for the home team but man I hate fans who boo. Not helping, people. Then, 29 years is a long time.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
10 GBs, 63 pitches and two over the minimum for Verlander.
Statistically there's no such thing as clutch; it's just the random result of a small sample between two artificial data points.
Wirh that said, JV in a big game sure yields some hellacious coincidences.
Statistically there's no such thing as clutch; it's just the random result of a small sample between two artificial data points.
Wirh that said, JV in a big game sure yields some hellacious coincidences.
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
Lol @ "Nathan-proof."
Great job by JV, next year is a guaranteed bounce-back.
Great job by JV, next year is a guaranteed bounce-back.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Momentum doesn't carry forward in MLB, but that is a helluva statement game.
Apple Juice
Footballguy
Hard to complain about that.
It only counts as one. Today's and tomorrow's games are just as critical. One game at a time. It was great to see everyone hitting though and that should be a big confidence-builder for JV.
KC's Remaining Schedule. (1.5 Games Back in Division)
Sep 20 Det
Sep 21 Det
Sep 22 vs Cle (Suspended game, KC trailing 4-2, middle 10th)
Sep 22 @Cle
Sep 23 @Cle
Sep 24 @Cle
Sep 25 @CHW
Sep 26 @CHW
Sep 27 @CHW
Sep 28 @CHW
Detroit's remaining schedule.
Sep 20 @ KC
Sep 21 @ KC
Sep 22 CHW
Sep 23 CHW
Sep 24 CHW
Sep 25 Min
Sep 26 Min
Sep 27 Min
Sep 28 Min
Here is where the rubber meets the road. Would be nice if Cleveland won this weekend and stayed in the wild card hunt. Minn and Sux are going to be up for being the spoiler for the Tigers. I would think Detroit should have some big crowds on hand for those last games.
Sep 20 Det
Sep 21 Det
Sep 22 vs Cle (Suspended game, KC trailing 4-2, middle 10th)
Sep 22 @Cle
Sep 23 @Cle
Sep 24 @Cle
Sep 25 @CHW
Sep 26 @CHW
Sep 27 @CHW
Sep 28 @CHW
Detroit's remaining schedule.
Sep 20 @ KC
Sep 21 @ KC
Sep 22 CHW
Sep 23 CHW
Sep 24 CHW
Sep 25 Min
Sep 26 Min
Sep 27 Min
Sep 28 Min
Here is where the rubber meets the road. Would be nice if Cleveland won this weekend and stayed in the wild card hunt. Minn and Sux are going to be up for being the spoiler for the Tigers. I would think Detroit should have some big crowds on hand for those last games.
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MAC_32
Footballguy
That team played like the spot was too big for them last night. Not concerned. Gonna take a serious choke job this weekend for us to not take the division.
Does anyone have an idea what level the playoffs will be around October 16? Late cs/early WS? Going to be in detroit for a pearl jam show and if the tigers happen to be in town the day before or after we are opening up our wallets to go.
Does anyone have an idea what level the playoffs will be around October 16? Late cs/early WS? Going to be in detroit for a pearl jam show and if the tigers happen to be in town the day before or after we are opening up our wallets to go.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
It is Kinslers defense that is blowing me away. Smooth as silk. Too bad Iggy was not healthy this year, those two would have been quite a duo up the middle.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
He is by far our best infielder. Knew we getting a good hitter, he's really solid.Concerned about Al. Lingering concussion symptoms is pretty scary, there's no fixed timetable to that.
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