Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
Tigers and Vmart close on a 4 year deal
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***Detroit Tigers thread: 1st pick yet again, this is not fun*** (5 Viewers)
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Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
For good or bad it's done: http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2014/11/12/report-tigers-martinez-close-to-four-year-deal/
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Melky next? Could have 2 x 2 with the same last name batting 2-5.
whoknew
Footballguy
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
whoknew
Footballguy
Right.
Plus they are trying to win now.
Plus there's no way all those guys are on the team. Dave Dombrowski is the GM.
Eephus
Footballguy
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
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Eephus
Footballguy
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
The logical side of me says we'll regret this one. Seattle or White Sox would have coughed up a pick and there were ample bats that could have filled in at DH and a significant upgrade in one of the corner OF spots could have covered the loss.
Edit to add: My fear is we turn into the Phillies but sans the rings. We still have cornerstones in their prime I'm not sure VMart is that entering age 36. Then again Edgar Martinez hit well into his 40's and so has David Ortiz.
Edit to add: My fear is we turn into the Phillies but sans the rings. We still have cornerstones in their prime I'm not sure VMart is that entering age 36. Then again Edgar Martinez hit well into his 40's and so has David Ortiz.
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Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Or you could still upgrade the corner OF spot and keep him. Right now without VMart your best LH hitter is Avila.
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Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Got curious after I brought up Edgar so looking at prominent hitting DH's they can survive thrive in the time frame we are looking at:
Edgar: http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/martied01.shtml
Ortiz: http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/o/ortizda01.shtml?redir
Big Hurt: http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/t/thomafr04.shtml?redir
Thome: http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/t/thomeji01.shtml
Wade Boggs (not a DH): http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/boggswa01.shtml
Paul Molitor: http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/molitpa01.shtml
Edgar: http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/martied01.shtml
Ortiz: http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/o/ortizda01.shtml?redir
Big Hurt: http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/t/thomafr04.shtml?redir
Thome: http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/t/thomeji01.shtml
Wade Boggs (not a DH): http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/boggswa01.shtml
Paul Molitor: http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/molitpa01.shtml
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Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
I only look one year at a time. I'm old like Mr. I.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
They can probably trade VMART after '16 and get a decent return for him. He won't replicate the power numbers he had this year, but there probably only a handful of better hitters in baseball. He'll hit, I'm not worried about that.
And I honestly don't have any issue with any of their big contracts unless Verlander continues to stink, which I don't think will be the case.
Mr I is one of the ten richest owners in sports, let him spend. ETA: Illitch bought the Tigers for $82 million, they are now worth upwards of $1 billion. He has reinvested a lot of that in the team but he's made money off owning a baseball team, so if he wants VMART back then it's fine with me. Tigers could spend a lot worse IMO.
And I honestly don't have any issue with any of their big contracts unless Verlander continues to stink, which I don't think will be the case.
Mr I is one of the ten richest owners in sports, let him spend. ETA: Illitch bought the Tigers for $82 million, they are now worth upwards of $1 billion. He has reinvested a lot of that in the team but he's made money off owning a baseball team, so if he wants VMART back then it's fine with me. Tigers could spend a lot worse IMO.
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Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Avila on the block.
tri-man 47
Footballguy
Good point. He's laughing all the way to the bank. Of course, it's not about the money for him ...but with big crowds and postseason appearances, he's probably doing fine on an annual basis. Plus he has that increase in the value. And above all that, this is a heck of a ride, though it'd be nice a ring or two.
Doctor Detroit
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Tigers trade #1 prospect Devon Travis for Blue Jays OFer Anthony Gose.
Travis is blocked at 2B obviously, and they needed an OFer...but Anthony Gose? He had a .293 slugging percentage last year.
Travis is blocked at 2B obviously, and they needed an OFer...but Anthony Gose? He had a .293 slugging percentage last year.
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
And I'm not surprised nor angry they traded Travis, he's gonna be 24 and they had him playing the OF late in the season because he just wasn't going to be playing 2B in Detroit. Detroit also has Leyba who has a higher ceiling, Hernan and Suarez. So they didn't need him and I actually like trading him at his perceived high value.
Gose is actually just six months older than Travis and I love the way he plays RF and he has to be one of the fastest guys in the majors. But the guy can barely hit, and he has zero power. He does have a history of taking walks so if he hits .250 and returns a .320 OBP or so, he'll probably be a valuable guy because of his defense and speed.
But that really is a big if. Seems like they could have gotten more for Travis, at least a lifetime supply of Tim Horton's or something.
Gose is actually just six months older than Travis and I love the way he plays RF and he has to be one of the fastest guys in the majors. But the guy can barely hit, and he has zero power. He does have a history of taking walks so if he hits .250 and returns a .320 OBP or so, he'll probably be a valuable guy because of his defense and speed.
But that really is a big if. Seems like they could have gotten more for Travis, at least a lifetime supply of Tim Horton's or something.
whoknew
Footballguy
MAC_32
Footballguy
Our outfield blew before that trade for Gose. The 7th, 8th, and 9th inning with a lead just got much better. It'll allow us to use him as strictly a pinch runner too. Always difficult to do that with Rajai because once that card was played there was no more speed on the bench. If he started then there was no card to play at all.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Sounds like they just should have shifted Andy Romine to RF and had pretty much the same thing.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Read the same yesterday. I imagine if we move him we make a push for Russell Martin. Maybe we will anyway.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Sounds like they are mostly concerned with defense at CF/SS which I'm ok with. The weak bats will fustrate people but like DD said if Iglesias/Gose can hit .250 it should balance out.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Anyone like the idea of an Avila for Gattis trade? Throw him in LF, play McCann at C.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Wasn't Torri a disaster in RF?
Could make a play for Heyward I suppose. I don't know they have the pieces for that deal but that would really be putting it all on next year.
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MAC_32
Footballguy
Not on board with that justification. If you're bad in one area don't make a move to remain bad in that area; get better.
Never say never on deals, but the last team a thin team should be doing is getting even leaner and targeting someone like Heyward would be doing just that. Fill the cracks in the foundation before trying to make an addition.
whoknew
Footballguy
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
As a platoon, I'd say yes. He kills lefties so using him as a platoon will work IMO, maybe with another 30 games on top of that.
I want to keep Avila and platoon those two though, I don't care about Gattis or Martin.
Gopher State
Footballguy
Tigers might as well re sign max, when you can afford to pay 17m a year for a DH, why not open up the check book for Max. I like the VM signing you are paying him for what he did this year, and he be great for at least two more yearsEephus said:
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
I'm not holding my breath at this one. Hard to pay a non closing reliever like a foundation player.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
As true as this is, Tigers have enough of a hole in the bullpen where maybe need trumps logic.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
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whoknew
Footballguy
This is surprising:
Tigers To Re-Sign Joel HanrahanBy Steve Adams [November 14, 2014 at 11:00am CST]
The Tigers have agreed to re-signed right-hander Joel Hanrahan to a one-year, $1MM Major League contract with an additional $2.5MM available via incentives, reports Bob Nightengale of USA Today (Twitter link).
Tigers To Re-Sign Joel HanrahanBy Steve Adams [November 14, 2014 at 11:00am CST]
The Tigers have agreed to re-signed right-hander Joel Hanrahan to a one-year, $1MM Major League contract with an additional $2.5MM available via incentives, reports Bob Nightengale of USA Today (Twitter link).
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
I like it... just throw #### at the wall. Wouldn't mind if Johnson came back too to see if he can regain form.
whoknew
Footballguy
And I don't think that original report is correct. I think its a minor league contract. Which means if he doesn't make the team, they won't even owe the $1mm.
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
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Gopher State
Footballguy
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
I think Joe would like to retire back as a Twin, seems only fitting.RETIRE, I think he's looking for an extension from the Tigers, he is low mileage
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Tigers not bringing Hunter back. They might have brought him back on a one year deal but Hunters agent says that Hunter thinks he can play 3-4 more years and wants to play full time. Good-Bye....
Heard DD talking after the Hanrahan singing and he says they will be looking at Rondon and Hanrahan as closers. Makes me think they might be cutting bait on Nathan.
Heard DD talking after the Hanrahan singing and he says they will be looking at Rondon and Hanrahan as closers. Makes me think they might be cutting bait on Nathan.
