***Detroit Tigers thread: 1st pick yet again, this is not fun***

[Doctor Detroit 20,905]

Tigers and Vmart close on a 4 year deal

[Bojang0301 2,246]

Tigers and Vmart close on a 4 year deal

For good or bad it's done: http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2014/11/12/report-tigers-martinez-close-to-four-year-deal/

[Leroy Hoard 13,416]

Melky next? Could have 2 x 2 with the same last name batting 2-5.

[whoknew 8,754]

Tigers and Vmart close on a 4 year deal

For good or bad it's done: http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2014/11/12/report-tigers-martinez-close-to-four-year-deal/

Its a big contract but ... what were they going to do? The future is now.

[Eephus 23,348]

Plagiarized from BBTF

In 2017, the Tigers will pay $109 million for Victor Martinez (age 38), Verlander (34), Cabrera (34), Sanchez (33), Kinsler (34), and Fielder (not on the team).

[Leroy Hoard 13,416]

Plagiarized from BBTF

In 2017, the Tigers will pay $109 million for Victor Martinez (age 38), Verlander (34), Cabrera (34), Sanchez (33), Kinsler (34), and Fielder (not on the team).

Good thing a billionaire owns the team.

[whoknew 8,754]

Plagiarized from BBTF

In 2017, the Tigers will pay $109 million for Victor Martinez (age 38), Verlander (34), Cabrera (34), Sanchez (33), Kinsler (34), and Fielder (not on the team).

Good thing a billionaire owns the team.

Right.

Plus they are trying to win now.

Plus there's no way all those guys are on the team. Dave Dombrowski is the GM.

[Eephus 23,348]

Plagiarized from BBTF

In 2017, the Tigers will pay $109 million for Victor Martinez (age 38), Verlander (34), Cabrera (34), Sanchez (33), Kinsler (34), and Fielder (not on the team).

Good thing a billionaire owns the team.

Better use of money than waiting for the estate tax I guess.

[Leroy Hoard 13,416]

Plagiarized from BBTF

In 2017, the Tigers will pay $109 million for Victor Martinez (age 38), Verlander (34), Cabrera (34), Sanchez (33), Kinsler (34), and Fielder (not on the team).

Good thing a billionaire owns the team.

Better use of money than waiting for the estate tax I guess.

Or waiting to die.

Edited November 12, 2014 by Leroy Hoard

[Eephus 23,348]

Plagiarized from BBTF

In 2017, the Tigers will pay $109 million for Victor Martinez (age 38), Verlander (34), Cabrera (34), Sanchez (33), Kinsler (34), and Fielder (not on the team).

Good thing a billionaire owns the team.

Better use of money than waiting for the estate tax I guess.

Or waiting to die.

we all are. some of us are just closer to the head of the line.

[Bojang0301 2,246]

The logical side of me says we'll regret this one. Seattle or White Sox would have coughed up a pick and there were ample bats that could have filled in at DH and a significant upgrade in one of the corner OF spots could have covered the loss.

Edit to add: My fear is we turn into the Phillies but sans the rings. We still have cornerstones in their prime I'm not sure VMart is that entering age 36. Then again Edgar Martinez hit well into his 40's and so has David Ortiz.

Edited November 12, 2014 by Bojang0301

[Leroy Hoard 13,416]

The logical side of me says we'll regret this one. Seattle or White Sox would have coughed up a pick and there were ample bats that could have filled in at DH and a significant upgrade in one of the corner OF spots could have covered the loss.

Or you could still upgrade the corner OF spot and keep him. Right now without VMart your best LH hitter is Avila.

Edited November 12, 2014 by Leroy Hoard

[Bojang0301 2,246]

Got curious after I brought up Edgar so looking at prominent hitting DH's they can survive thrive in the time frame we are looking at:

Edgar: http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/martied01.shtml

Ortiz: http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/o/ortizda01.shtml?redir

Big Hurt: http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/t/thomafr04.shtml?redir

Thome: http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/t/thomeji01.shtml

Wade Boggs (not a DH): http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/boggswa01.shtml

Paul Molitor: http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/molitpa01.shtml

Edited November 12, 2014 by Bojang0301

[Leroy Hoard 13,416]

I only look one year at a time. I'm old like Mr. I.

[Eephus 23,348]

On the other hand, Paul Konerko had a career year at age 34, had two solid years after that and was then sucked into a hole.

[whoknew 8,754]

The logical side of me says we'll regret this one. Seattle or White Sox would have coughed up a pick and there were ample bats that could have filled in at DH and a significant upgrade in one of the corner OF spots could have covered the loss.

Edit to add: My fear is we turn into the Phillies but sans the rings. We still have cornerstones in their prime I'm not sure VMart is that entering age 36. Then again Edgar Martinez hit well into his 40's and so has David Ortiz.

Dave Dombrowski is WAY better than Ruben Amaro.

[Bojang0301 2,246]

On the other hand, Paul Konerko had a career year at age 34, had two solid years after that and was then sucked into a hole.

I'd take Konerko's two years and fade from VMart. I would consider that a win.

[Doctor Detroit 20,905]

They can probably trade VMART after '16 and get a decent return for him. He won't replicate the power numbers he had this year, but there probably only a handful of better hitters in baseball. He'll hit, I'm not worried about that.

And I honestly don't have any issue with any of their big contracts unless Verlander continues to stink, which I don't think will be the case.

Mr I is one of the ten richest owners in sports, let him spend. ETA: Illitch bought the Tigers for $82 million, they are now worth upwards of $1 billion. He has reinvested a lot of that in the team but he's made money off owning a baseball team, so if he wants VMART back then it's fine with me. Tigers could spend a lot worse IMO.

Edited November 13, 2014 by Doctor Detroit

[Bojang0301 2,246]

Avila on the block.

[tri-man 47 8,727]

Mr I is one of the ten richest owners in sports, let him spend. ETA: Illitch bought the Tigers for $82 million, they are now worth upwards of $1 billion. He has reinvested a lot of that in the team but he's made money off owning a baseball team, so if he wants VMART back then it's fine with me. Tigers could spend a lot worse IMO.

Good point. He's laughing all the way to the bank. Of course, it's not about the money for him ...but with big crowds and postseason appearances, he's probably doing fine on an annual basis. Plus he has that increase in the value. And above all that, this is a heck of a ride, though it'd be nice a ring or two.

[Doctor Detroit 20,905]

Tigers trade #1 prospect Devon Travis for Blue Jays OFer Anthony Gose.

Travis is blocked at 2B obviously, and they needed an OFer...but Anthony Gose? He had a .293 slugging percentage last year.

[Doctor Detroit 20,905]

And I'm not surprised nor angry they traded Travis, he's gonna be 24 and they had him playing the OF late in the season because he just wasn't going to be playing 2B in Detroit. Detroit also has Leyba who has a higher ceiling, Hernan and Suarez. So they didn't need him and I actually like trading him at his perceived high value.

Gose is actually just six months older than Travis and I love the way he plays RF and he has to be one of the fastest guys in the majors. But the guy can barely hit, and he has zero power. He does have a history of taking walks so if he hits .250 and returns a .320 OBP or so, he'll probably be a valuable guy because of his defense and speed.

But that really is a big if. Seems like they could have gotten more for Travis, at least a lifetime supply of Tim Horton's or something.

[whoknew 8,754]

And I'm not surprised nor angry they traded Travis, he's gonna be 24 and they had him playing the OF late in the season because he just wasn't going to be playing 2B in Detroit. Detroit also has Leyba who has a higher ceiling, Hernan and Suarez. So they didn't need him and I actually like trading him at his perceived high value.

Gose is actually just six months older than Travis and I love the way he plays RF and he has to be one of the fastest guys in the majors. But the guy can barely hit, and he has zero power. He does have a history of taking walks so if he hits .250 and returns a .320 OBP or so, he'll probably be a valuable guy because of his defense and speed.

But that really is a big if. Seems like they could have gotten more for Travis, at least a lifetime supply of Tim Horton's or something.

I don't get it. At all.

But in Dave we trust.

[MAC_32 12,070]

Our outfield blew before that trade for Gose. The 7th, 8th, and 9th inning with a lead just got much better. It'll allow us to use him as strictly a pinch runner too. Always difficult to do that with Rajai because once that card was played there was no more speed on the bench. If he started then there was no card to play at all.

[bicycle_seat_sniffer 5,109]

Avila on the block.

huh?

[jon_mx 8,747]

And I'm not surprised nor angry they traded Travis, he's gonna be 24 and they had him playing the OF late in the season because he just wasn't going to be playing 2B in Detroit. Detroit also has Leyba who has a higher ceiling, Hernan and Suarez. So they didn't need him and I actually like trading him at his perceived high value.

Gose is actually just six months older than Travis and I love the way he plays RF and he has to be one of the fastest guys in the majors. But the guy can barely hit, and he has zero power. He does have a history of taking walks so if he hits .250 and returns a .320 OBP or so, he'll probably be a valuable guy because of his defense and speed.

But that really is a big if. Seems like they could have gotten more for Travis, at least a lifetime supply of Tim Horton's or something.

Could Jhonny hook him up with some roids?

[Da Guru 6,289]

And I'm not surprised nor angry they traded Travis, he's gonna be 24 and they had him playing the OF late in the season because he just wasn't going to be playing 2B in Detroit. Detroit also has Leyba who has a higher ceiling, Hernan and Suarez. So they didn't need him and I actually like trading him at his perceived high value.

Gose is actually just six months older than Travis and I love the way he plays RF and he has to be one of the fastest guys in the majors. But the guy can barely hit, and he has zero power. He does have a history of taking walks so if he hits .250 and returns a .320 OBP or so, he'll probably be a valuable guy because of his defense and speed.

But that really is a big if. Seems like they could have gotten more for Travis, at least a lifetime supply of Tim Horton's or something.

Sounds like they just should have shifted Andy Romine to RF and had pretty much the same thing.

[MAC_32 12,070]

Avila on the block.

huh?

Read the same yesterday. I imagine if we move him we make a push for Russell Martin. Maybe we will anyway.

[Bojang0301 2,246]

Sounds like they are mostly concerned with defense at CF/SS which I'm ok with. The weak bats will fustrate people but like DD said if Iglesias/Gose can hit .250 it should balance out.

[Bojang0301 2,246]

Anyone like the idea of an Avila for Gattis trade? Throw him in LF, play McCann at C.

[MAC_32 12,070]

Anyone like the idea of an Avila for Gattis trade? Throw him in LF, play McCann at C.

Wasn't Gattis a disaster in LF?

[Bojang0301 2,246]

Anyone like the idea of an Avila for Gattis trade? Throw him in LF, play McCann at C.

Wasn't Gattis a disaster in LF?

Wasn't Torri a disaster in RF?

Could make a play for Heyward I suppose. I don't know they have the pieces for that deal but that would really be putting it all on next year.

Edited November 13, 2014 by Bojang0301

[MAC_32 12,070]

Anyone like the idea of an Avila for Gattis trade? Throw him in LF, play McCann at C.

Wasn't Gattis a disaster in LF?

Wasn't Torri a disaster in RF?

Could make a play for Heyward I suppose. I don't know they have the pieces for that deal but that would really be putting it all on next year.

Not on board with that justification. If you're bad in one area don't make a move to remain bad in that area; get better.

Never say never on deals, but the last team a thin team should be doing is getting even leaner and targeting someone like Heyward would be doing just that. Fill the cracks in the foundation before trying to make an addition.

[whoknew 8,754]

Anyone like the idea of an Avila for Gattis trade? Throw him in LF, play McCann at C.

I'm not sold on McCann. Is he going to hit at all?

[Bojang0301 2,246]

Anyone like the idea of an Avila for Gattis trade? Throw him in LF, play McCann at C.

I'm not sold on McCann. Is he going to hit at all?

He'll be 25 and hit .295 in Toledo last year. Probably time for him to be up.

[Doctor Detroit 20,905]

Anyone like the idea of an Avila for Gattis trade? Throw him in LF, play McCann at C.

I'm not sold on McCann. Is he going to hit at all?

As a platoon, I'd say yes. He kills lefties so using him as a platoon will work IMO, maybe with another 30 games on top of that.

I want to keep Avila and platoon those two though, I don't care about Gattis or Martin.

[Gopher State 959]

Plagiarized from BBTF

In 2017, the Tigers will pay $109 million for Victor Martinez (age 38), Verlander (34), Cabrera (34), Sanchez (33), Kinsler (34), and Fielder (not on the team).

Tigers might as well re sign max, when you can afford to pay 17m a year for a DH, why not open up the check book for Max. I like the VM signing you are paying him for what he did this year, and he be great for at least two more years

[Da Guru 6,289]

Andy Miller has drawn interest from 22 teams so far. So the price of poker is going up.

[Bojang0301 2,246]

Andy Miller has drawn interest from 22 teams so far. So the price of poker is going up.

I'm not holding my breath at this one. Hard to pay a non closing reliever like a foundation player.

[Leroy Hoard 13,416]

Andy Miller has drawn interest from 22 teams so far. So the price of poker is going up.

I'm not holding my breath at this one. Hard to pay a non closing reliever like a foundation player.

As true as this is, Tigers have enough of a hole in the bullpen where maybe need trumps logic.

[Da Guru 6,289]

Andy Miller has drawn interest from 22 teams so far. So the price of poker is going up.

I'm not holding my breath at this one. Hard to pay a non closing reliever like a foundation player.

As true as this is, Tigers have enough of a hole in the bullpen where maybe need trumps logic.

What are the odds of Joe Nathan retiring???

[Leroy Hoard 13,416]

Andy Miller has drawn interest from 22 teams so far. So the price of poker is going up.

I'm not holding my breath at this one. Hard to pay a non closing reliever like a foundation player.

As true as this is, Tigers have enough of a hole in the bullpen where maybe need trumps logic.

What are the odds of Joe Nathan retiring???

Maybe he'll retire early if we all chip in for a present.

Edited November 14, 2014 by Leroy Hoard

[whoknew 8,754]

This is surprising:

Tigers To Re-Sign Joel Hanrahan

By Steve Adams [November 14, 2014 at 11:00am CST]

The Tigers have agreed to re-signed right-hander Joel Hanrahan to a one-year, $1MM Major League contract with an additional $2.5MM available via incentives, reports Bob Nightengale of USA Today (Twitter link).

[Bojang0301 2,246]

This is surprising:

Tigers To Re-Sign Joel Hanrahan

By Steve Adams [November 14, 2014 at 11:00am CST]

The Tigers have agreed to re-signed right-hander Joel Hanrahan to a one-year, $1MM Major League contract with an additional $2.5MM available via incentives, reports Bob Nightengale of USA Today (Twitter link).

I like it... just throw #### at the wall. Wouldn't mind if Johnson came back too to see if he can regain form.

[whoknew 8,754]

This is surprising:

Tigers To Re-Sign Joel Hanrahan

By Steve Adams [November 14, 2014 at 11:00am CST]

The Tigers have agreed to re-signed right-hander Joel Hanrahan to a one-year, $1MM Major League contract with an additional $2.5MM available via incentives, reports Bob Nightengale of USA Today (Twitter link).

I like it... just throw #### at the wall. Wouldn't mind if Johnson came back too to see if he can regain form.

And I don't think that original report is correct. I think its a minor league contract. Which means if he doesn't make the team, they won't even owe the $1mm.

[Doctor Detroit 20,905]

This is surprising:

Tigers To Re-Sign Joel Hanrahan

By Steve Adams [November 14, 2014 at 11:00am CST]

The Tigers have agreed to re-signed right-hander Joel Hanrahan to a one-year, $1MM Major League contract with an additional $2.5MM available via incentives, reports Bob Nightengale of USA Today (Twitter link).

I like it... just throw #### at the wall. Wouldn't mind if Johnson came back too to see if he can regain form.

And I don't think that original report is correct. I think its a minor league contract. Which means if he doesn't make the team, they won't even owe the $1mm.

Making it awesome. Love that.

[Doctor Detroit 20,905]

Andy Miller has drawn interest from 22 teams so far. So the price of poker is going up.

I'm not holding my breath at this one. Hard to pay a non closing reliever like a foundation player.

As true as this is, Tigers have enough of a hole in the bullpen where maybe need trumps logic.

of a

You guys got this one wrapped up nicely.

[Gopher State 959]

Andy Miller has drawn interest from 22 teams so far. So the price of poker is going up.

I'm not holding my breath at this one. Hard to pay a non closing reliever like a foundation player.

As true as this is, Tigers have enough of a hole in the bullpen where maybe need trumps logic.

What are the odds of Joe Nathan retiring???

RETIRE , I think he's looking for an extension from the Tigers, he is low mileage

[Leroy Hoard 13,416]

Andy Miller has drawn interest from 22 teams so far. So the price of poker is going up.

I'm not holding my breath at this one. Hard to pay a non closing reliever like a foundation player.

As true as this is, Tigers have enough of a hole in the bullpen where maybe need trumps logic.

What are the odds of Joe Nathan retiring???

RETIRE , I think he's looking for an extension from the Tigers, he is low mileage

I think Joe would like to retire back as a Twin, seems only fitting.

[Da Guru 6,289]

Tigers not bringing Hunter back. They might have brought him back on a one year deal but Hunters agent says that Hunter thinks he can play 3-4 more years and wants to play full time. Good-Bye....

Heard DD talking after the Hanrahan singing and he says they will be looking at Rondon and Hanrahan as closers. Makes me think they might be cutting bait on Nathan.