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Indefinite New England Patriots Thread (5 Viewers)
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Anarchy99
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Curious if anyone in this thread thinks either of S. Michel or D. Harris is worth holding onto understanding the usual waiver wire suspects that are out there this week?
Between Cam, Burkhead, White, JJ, Michele...that's a lot of ball carriers.
Holding both Michel and Harris right now.
Between Cam, Burkhead, White, JJ, Michele...that's a lot of ball carriers.
Holding both Michel and Harris right now.
It surprised me he was a healthy scratch too. I was looking forward to watching him.
Evidently NE dressed 11 dbs. Bellicheck said he saw how Miami threw a lot of 4 wr sets out there with Gisecki playing off the line. So his strategy was to use more dbs and to have plenty of substitutes to rotate to keep them fresh.
BassNBrew
Footballguy
Anarchy99
Footballguy
BassNBrew
Footballguy
Don't think I've said this in a long time as a NE fan, but that was a good loss. Never want to lose any, but...
...in a game where they couldn't just grind it out, NE proved they can hang...offensivey...with the best.
And that secondary isn't going to face R. Wilson every week.
Feel like the season's ceiling just got higher despite the loss.
...in a game where they couldn't just grind it out, NE proved they can hang...offensivey...with the best.
And that secondary isn't going to face R. Wilson every week.
Feel like the season's ceiling just got higher despite the loss.
Well said. I agree. Wilson was on fire. It really was a case of two solid teams duking it out and one had to lose. Literally on last play of the game at the one yard line against a very good football team. I expect Seattle to go deep into the playoffs with all the weapons. Plus adding Adams was a difference maker. He had a couple point saving tackles. Great football game. I liked how Cam was passing. The more the season goes on the better his options will unfold once TE develops, and White is back. White is arguably the Pats best offensive weapon, so it was good to see they could hang without him. Hopefully White can bounce back despite the awful hand he was dealt.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
This game was excellent medicine, for the offense, for the offensive playcalling, and for the defense.
Casting Couch
Footballguy
Would have liked to see a spread offense 5 wide at the goallline on that last play. Would have given Newton more room to run, plus the passing option.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
In the impact players that no one is talking about category, rookie 6th round pick and offensive lineman Michael Onwenu has been exceptional so far. He’s played three different spots on the line but through 3 games has ranked as the 5th best lineman in the entire NFL. Had he played more in the first two games, he could have rated even higher.
He’s a beast for running game. He is an immovable object. They run over top on his side. But he also isn’t mobile for pass protection. Having said this, I was a huge proponent of Onwenu. He’s probably like that guard out of Georgia only bigger and better. Bigger and as nasty as Mason.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
I believe I saw a graphic that NE so far has three Top 10 offensive lineman between Onwenu, Thuney, and Mason (according to PFF). That bodes really well for the offense if they can all stay healthy.
Bossman
Footballguy
Gotta say, as much as I've liked watching this years team develop, ... not very confident going into tomorrows game vs. KC.
Pats defense has taken a step backwards.
They will need to sell out to stop the run game and contain Mahomes ... but I don't expect they will have an answer for the speed of Hill and Hardman.
Pats defense has taken a step backwards.
They will need to sell out to stop the run game and contain Mahomes ... but I don't expect they will have an answer for the speed of Hill and Hardman.
Boston
Footballguy
if they lose tomorrow but knock off Denver and a beaten-up San Fran team to be 4-2 going into the Buffalo game I will be very happy with where they are.
I think they need postpone the game and give time with quarantine at home for all players. If test negative after five days then resume practice. Ones that don’t stay quarantine. To play would be risky and ignore medical advice. There is no way they should play this game Monday or Tuesday. I’ve heard can be asymptomatic but contagious upto for first five days.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
I posted the NFL’s and CDC’s policies in one of the COVID related threads. One of the league’s issues is they did not base their decision making on the complete timeline of when symptoms could present. Essentially, they were making conclusions BEFORE players would test positive or show symptoms. The CDC still recommends people that may have been exposed isolate for 14 days (10 days with negative tests at the back end). The NFL has a 5 day policy if there are two negative tests at the back end. It could take 7 days to test positive. So even if NE players haven’t tested negative yet that doesn’t mean they are not infected and they could be contagious even while testing negative. A safe and conservative approach would be to push the KC NE game further into the season, but that poses logistical problems for the league.
Wingnut
Footballguy
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Is there any way that the patriots can play? Even if everyone gets the rapid test and is negative, is that conclusive that no one has it ? If not, how can they play?
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
I guess not.
While the Patriots have not experienced any additional positive tests, the game against the Chiefs will not take place as planned. The NFL has postponed Sunday’s game after “positive COVID-19 tests on both teams.”
New from the NFL pic.twitter.com/UyUAMKI0qE
— Brian McCarthy (@NFLprguy) October 3, 2020
The league is hoping the Patriots and Chiefs can play either Monday or Tuesday. The Patriots were scheduled to travel to Kansas City on Saturday, but the flight is on standby for now.
Bossman
Footballguy
Nobody expected NE to win. Rightfully so. Backup QB, and the whole Covid week that it was....
but the Pats actually looked like they stood a chance ... had it not been for the plethora of mistakes;
Even if they erased half of these ... they could have had the W;
- McCourty drops an EASY INT on KCs first drive
- Hoyer with a complete brain cramp to end the half
- Mahomes strip sack that was blown dead ... then not challenged by Belichick
-Jackson drops another EASY INT ... (I'll continue to ask; why do players "jump" when catching a football? He jumps up and this ball hit him in the groin. No other sport does a player "jump" to catch the ball that is coming at their chest. Imagine how that would look in basketball or baseball. Just catch it and keep running!)
- Hoyer Red Zone fumble
- Edelman lets one slip thru his teflon gloves ... for a pick 6. ... (he really needs to find another glove. Those obviously aren't working and haven't been for a while)
- Stidhams late / under throw of Meyer wide open in the end zone... INT for KC
but the Pats actually looked like they stood a chance ... had it not been for the plethora of mistakes;
Even if they erased half of these ... they could have had the W;
- McCourty drops an EASY INT on KCs first drive
- Hoyer with a complete brain cramp to end the half
- Mahomes strip sack that was blown dead ... then not challenged by Belichick
-Jackson drops another EASY INT ... (I'll continue to ask; why do players "jump" when catching a football? He jumps up and this ball hit him in the groin. No other sport does a player "jump" to catch the ball that is coming at their chest. Imagine how that would look in basketball or baseball. Just catch it and keep running!)
- Hoyer Red Zone fumble
- Edelman lets one slip thru his teflon gloves ... for a pick 6. ... (he really needs to find another glove. Those obviously aren't working and haven't been for a while)
- Stidhams late / under throw of Meyer wide open in the end zone... INT for KC
Anarchy99
Footballguy
BB addressed this. He was told by the refs that the play was whistled dead on the field (for being in the grasp), which is a judgment call. Everything that came after that he felt was irrelevant and that as far as he knew that type of play would not be overturned. That's different than if a player was ruled down or not down when the ball comes out, and I don't think he would have been wrong (they would have lost the challenge). Clearly the refs blew the call, but I don't think there was a good way to rectify the outcome.
When they brought in the former head of officiating on the broadcast, he made it sound like they called Mahomes down when he wasn't and NE could have challenged and won. But again, that's not what they called on the field. Once they call in the grasp, the play is over. It was very confusing and KC punted in half a second, so there was no time to sort things out.
Bossman
Footballguy
Even if not reviewable .... was a VERY quick whistle as Mahomes was attempting to throw the ball away to avoid the loss of yardage.
I wonder if he did manage to get the pass off as he was going down ... would the refs huddle and call it an incomplete pass? Seems wishy-washy.
also felt like KC was getting the calls ... example being, with both teams having somewhat questionable tackles out of bounds ... KC gets the 15 yards and NE gets the flag picked up.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
KC got all the calls in last year's game as well. It happens.
The Mahomes play should have been ruled a fumble or an interception. But all that happened after they blew the whistle and he was ruled in the grasp and the play was dead. Anything that happened after that never happened, so there was nothing to review. In the grasp is a judgment call that is not reviewable. BB knew that and thus didn't challenge. There was no point. Once they ruled in the grasp, Mahomes could have thrown a TD pass or a pick six. Neither would have been allowed.
Certainly NE fans have benefited over the years for special rules to protect Brady. This was a similar situation with Mahomes, the new face of the league. Same thing on the personal foul out of bounds. That shouldn't have been a penalty, but they are going to protect the $500 million man. Top tier QBs will get special treatment. This is not news.
Bossman
Footballguy
... which is why I could see the refs huddle and call this an incomplete pass .... had Mahomes got the pass off before going to the ground.
Bossman
Footballguy
Was pretty hilarious when the guys on the radio were talking about being "Hoyered" ... or getting "Hoisted"...
as in getting "Munsoned" in the movie King Pin.
I'll definitely be using these terms on the golf course next weekend.
"I was putting for birdie ... but I Hoyered it for a bogie."
"Oh, man ... you Hoisted that one right into the other fairway."
as in getting "Munsoned" in the movie King Pin.
I'll definitely be using these terms on the golf course next weekend.
"I was putting for birdie ... but I Hoyered it for a bogie."
"Oh, man ... you Hoisted that one right into the other fairway."
Anarchy99
Footballguy
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
Waiting for Anarchy or other informed party to stop by and verify or reputdiate my perception that half the defense are free agents this year.
We need Allen Robinson or some other dramatic skill player infusion more than we need an upgrade over Stidham / Newton. That's considering the above list and assuming Watson is too expensive.
We need Allen Robinson or some other dramatic skill player infusion more than we need an upgrade over Stidham / Newton. That's considering the above list and assuming Watson is too expensive.
Boston
Footballguy
The answer is both...you need a major upgrade at both QB and the skill positions...gotta be both or the season is DOA before it begins.
Here is a list of Patriot FA's...the big defensive names are Guy, Butler and Jackson but he is a RFA...other names are Wise, Jason McCourty and Simon...will be interesting to see what they do here...Jackson is the big one, they need to get him signed long term...i like Guy but he is 31 and unless it is team friendly I would let him walk...as for the others i am so so with all of them and with the cap space they have they can figure it out if they walk.
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/new-england-patriots/
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Flying Elvis
Footballguy
Catch 22. Tough to get a QB like Watson on board with no pass catchers. Tough to get pass catchers with a terrible QB situation. The money is there to lure the likes of Allen Robinson and Hunter Henry and immediately be much better (on paper). Regardless of which FA targets may be worth the pricetag, it's just hard to sell anyone based on the current roster.
Boston
Footballguy
Gonna have to now...while it was a very nice run the days of getting players at 50 cents on the dollar are over...BB can not build this team the same way he did with Brady, if he does it's gonna be a very long time until we see another title.
Flying Elvis
Footballguy
Comparable money elsewhere with a better situation talks just as loudly. It'll definitely be interesting to see how things go when FA starts and if more QB trades happen.