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/thread. I don't care if you are going 90. If I am coming up behind you and you aren't in the process of passing then move over.
But I understand its not always possible. In the case you can't get over, 75-80
Whatever. I'm not really interested in that. If I know 75-79 will cause IE to melt down, I'm going with that.
Absolutely correct. There is a really easy way to check if you should be in the leftmost lane. Check your rearview. Is there a car right behind you? If so you should not be in the left lane.
Let's say that it is a two-lane interstate. Do you honestly believe that the rules of the road dictate that the two-lane interstate should be essentially be reduced to a one-lane interstate, except when passing? That just makes no sense to me and seems counterproductive to encouraging smooth traffic flow.
The hypothetical given was a four lane highway...
yes, if done properly will increase traffic flow
Hell is going to be full. Most of the time when driving in the South I have to use the right lane as my passing lane because of all the idiots camped out in the left lane that think as long as they are going over the speed limit at all, it belongs to them.
If you are passing someone and no one is behind you, no it isn't.
I think you can be ticketed for not passing in the left?
Exactly.
If you get passed on the right, ever, you're going too slow. In any lane.
If you're in the left-most lane, you should be going faster than all other traffic. If anyone's coming up behind you, move over before they catch up.
In my ideal world, other drivers would be ticketed for being passed on the right side in normal traffic flow. Such a system could clear up most of the traffic problems in LA.
Good for TexasI think you can be ticketed for not passing in the left?
Exactly.
If you get passed on the right, ever, you're going too slow. In any lane.
If you're in the left-most lane, you should be going faster than all other traffic. If anyone's coming up behind you, move over before they catch up.
In my ideal world, other drivers would be ticketed for being passed on the right side in normal traffic flow. Such a system could clear up most of the traffic problems in LA.
Exactly, tho is the attitude of most down here in South Florida. I know 17 is just playing the part here but serially this is the mind set most places I am driving in, not just South Florida either.
There's an even easier way to check. Is there a car in the lane to your right? If not, you should not be in the left lane.
If they're doing the speed limit or 5 over and you're zig zagging around them, you're the problem, not them. They're obeying the speed limit.
This. I went to Ireland, and everyone was warning me about driving there...The highways were the most orderly and efficient things imagineable. Why? Because people passed and got over. Pass...and get over. That's it. That's the simple solution. The problem here is that there are so many people that DON'T do this that the people who would normally be doing the passing start weaving, which compounds the problem because then people are less likely to move over.
But it's not me doing it, it's MoP. And you have just instigated MoP and others like him to drive recklessly. That is the checkmate point on this issue. It's that you know people are going to go around you and that is adding danger because people tend to no be prepared for other passing them on the right/tailgating/etc, therefore you are as much a hazard as he is, if not more.
Not a chance this helps. I drive I-78 to I-287 every day, and the majority of the cars are in the left lane. You can't ticket the whole line. Nothing will change this until we change the mentality of the whole country (aka it'll never happen)
In the meantime, the state can benefit by fining the self-absorbed fools who do it. It's up to the cops to enforce it for proper kharmic accounting.
Nice.
I don't disagree with that, but consider what MoP is saying - if everyone's going the speed limit or 5 over, he still wants the left lane cleared to he can pass... by driving illegally over the speed limit. He's basically complaining that people aren't making it easy for him to break the law. And though I'm using his name, I don't mean to imply that he's specifically a problem driver, but he did bring this up... and there are tons of people that seem to agree with him.
This is the problem. No one looks behind them when driving, I swear. The left lane campers are those that don't pay attention to their speed, their mirrors, or what's going on behind them.
In some places you can, and in those cases the law is exactly wrong. The car passing on the right should not be ticketed, the car being passed should be ticketed for obstructing the flow of traffic.I think you can be ticketed for not passing in the left?
Exactly.
If you get passed on the right, ever, you're going too slow. In any lane.
If you're in the left-most lane, you should be going faster than all other traffic. If anyone's coming up behind you, move over before they catch up.
In my ideal world, other drivers would be ticketed for being passed on the right side in normal traffic flow. Such a system could clear up most of the traffic problems in LA.
Legality has nothing to do with it. Here's where it comes back to my theory that everybody should do a couple years in NYC when they're young. You learn important lessons about flow and how to move around populated spaces.
It's not your responsibility (nor is it your right) to enforce the speed limit from your driver's seat. If there are people on the road who are attempting to drive faster than you are, move over so they can pass. It's safer for everyone involved.
Theoretically, sure. But I can't tell you how many times I've been in the left lane (passing someone or otherwise) and had someone come flying up behind me doing 90-95, only to have that person zig zag around me at the first opportunity. That's not my fault, and it's reckless driving on their part to boot. You'll never convince me that someone driving illegally by speeding and weaving through traffic somehow has more validity than someone who is driving annoyingly by maybe using the left lane the way it's not supposed to be used. Show me that cops are writing tickets for driving in the left lane while not passing at the same (or even close) to the rate that they're writing tickets for speeding. Whatever the left lane is supposed to be used for, it's just not so black and white anymore.
Guys like MoP are less of a "problem driver" than the people clogging the left lane going 66 MPH.
