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EBF and TDMills are likely to update theirs post-combine. Check dynastyleaguefootball.com. I'd be surprised if they don't have post combine rankings very soon.

What's the link to those sites I'm not good with the abbreviation Tia

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Biggest Losers at 2014 NFL Scouting Combine

By Luke Inman on February 25, 2014

Players head to Indianapolis with the high hopes of improving their draft stock and adding zeros to their paycheck. However, as we see every year, for every winner there is a loser. At this time of the month last year, Mel Kiper had Texas A&M's defensive end Damonte Moore as one of his top-5 players. After a bad combine along with multiple injuries, Moore dropped all the way to the 19th pick in the third round. Moore's brutal combine included 12 reps in the bench press and an unimpressive 4.95 40-yard dash. Here are this years losers who's stock is headed in the same direction.

Cyrus Kouandjio Offensive Tackle, Alabama

Koundijo came into the combine fighting with a long list of other lineman for third place behind Jake Mathews and Greg Robinson. Ranking near the bottom for offensive lineman in the three-cone, broad jump, short shuttle, and 40 time. After the rough start, Kouandjio later went on to fail numerous team's physicals flaring up questions about the long term health of his knee. Expect his poor combine to have ill effects on his stock falling not just out of the top-3 for his position, but most likely the top-10 all together.

Michael Sam Linebacker, Missouri

The pressure that built after Sam announced he was openly gay might have been too much, after he failed to live up to his high expectations. Sam looked stiff in the hips and struggled anytime he was asked to move backward, similar to the Senior Bowl. After jumping only 25.5 inches and running a sluggish 4.91 40-yard dash Sam has raised more questions than answers, as he has firmly entrenched him self into day three of the draft.

Jarvis Landry Wide Receiver, LSU

A combine casualty Landry looks good on tape but struggles with the stopwatches out. After a first-round projection to the Forty-Niners by Mel Kiper, a 4.77 40 time along with just 12 reps on the bench rep have Landry slipping into third-round consideration. Every year a skill-position player falls much further than he should because of a slow 40 time, much like Chargers' Keenan Allen last year. Now although I'm not comparing Landry to Allen, I will say he just created a lot of value for whatever team selects him later in the draft, because of his trip to Indianapolis.

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I kinda got my post-combine tiers sorted out for RB & WR

RB

Lache Seatstrunk

Tre Mason

Bishop Sankey

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Jeremy Hill

Carlos Hyde

Andre Williams

Ka'Deem Carey

Charles Simms

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Devonta Freeman

Terrence West

Isiah Crowell

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Jerick McKinnon

Kapri Bibbs

WR

Sammy Watkins

Mike Evans

Marquis Lee

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Odell Beckham

Kelvin Benjamin

Jordan Mathews

Allen Robinson

Brandin Cooks

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Donte Moncreif

Martavius Bryant

Jarvis Landry

Davante Adams

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I kinda got my post-combine tiers sorted out for RB & WR

RB

Lache Seatstrunk

Tre Mason

Bishop Sankey

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Jeremy Hill

Carlos Hyde

Andre Williams

Ka'Deem Carey

Charles Simms

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Devonta Freeman

Terrence West

Isiah Crowell

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Jerick McKinnon

Kapri Bibbs

WR

Sammy Watkins

Mike Evans

Marquis Lee

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Odell Beckham

Kelvin Benjamin

Jordan Mathews

Allen Robinson

Brandin Cooks

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Donte Moncreif

Martavius Bryant

Jarvis Landry

Davante Adams

If Hyde has a good Pro Day does he move into your first tier?

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RB

Bishop Sankey

Tre Mason

Jerick McKinnon

Andre Williams

Carlos Hyde

Isaiah Crowell

Terrance West

Lache Seastrunk

Jeremy Hill

Rajion Neal

WR

Sammy Watkins

Odell Beckham Jr

Mike Evans

Marqise Lee

Allen Robinson

Brandin Cooks

Jared Abbrederis

Cody Hoffman

Jordan Mathews

Davante Adams

Ryan Grant

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No Kelvin Benjamin ^ ?

How are so many people overlooking him. Am I missing something? His 40 time high? Route Running bad? Help me out.

Benjamin had a pretty bad combine and I was highly concerned about him going into it.

Concerns going in for me; speed, short area quickness, fluidity in and out of breaks, runs high in his routs (probably because he has stiff hips), hands (had a lot of drops last year) and he's old for a prospect (23 if I'm not mistaken).

He pretty much confirmed all of these concerns at the combine IMO. He was slow, 4.61. He didn't have great explosiveness, 32 vert and 119 broad. He literally had the worst 3 cone and 60 yd shuffle. He also was at the bottom of the pack in the 20 yd shuffle. He tested about as poorly as he possibly could. Worse yet, he looked extremely stiff to me in all the positional drills and didn't catch the ball well. Honestly, I think he had one of the worst combines of anyone. It confirmed fears I had going in. That he was a broozer in college who got by on size, not skill.

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No Kelvin Benjamin ^ ?

How are so many people overlooking him. Am I missing something? His 40 time high? Route Running bad? Help me out.

I didn't "overlook" him. I watched him play and really don't like him. Even before the combine I didn't understand the hype. I hoped he would measure well, in fact, so he would get over drafted.

As another poser already mentioned, he's a 24 year old project. Not a good combination.

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No Kelvin Benjamin ^ ?

How are so many people overlooking him. Am I missing something? His 40 time high? Route Running bad? Help me out.

I didn't "overlook" him. I watched him play and really don't like him. Even before the combine I didn't understand the hype. I hoped he would measure well, in fact, so he would get over drafted.

As another poser already mentioned, he's a 24 year old project. Not a good combination.

who you calling poser buddy

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This was from a bills analyst from the drafttek forums I thought it was a good base to talk about ...............this was his post combine rb rankings.................

1 Bishop Sankey Washington 5094 209

2 Carlos Hyde Ohio State 5117 230

3 Tre Mason Auburn 5084 207

4 Andre Williams Boston College 5113 230

5 Jeremy Hill LSU 6005 233

6 Lache Seastrunk Baylor 5094 201

7 Ka'Deem Carey Arizona 5093 207

8 Charles Sims WVU 6000 214

9 Jerick McKinnon Georgia Southern 5087 209

10 Marion Grice Arizona State 208

11 Devonta Freeman Florida State 5082 206

12 Terrance West Towson 5092 225

13 James Wilder Jr. Florida State 6025 232

14 Rajion Neal Tennessee 5'10" 212

15 James White Wisconsin 5091 204

16 Antonio Andrews W Kentucky 5101 225

17 Storm Johnson Central Florida 5115 209

18 Tim Flanders Sam Houston State 5085 207

19 Tyler Gaffney Stanford 5114 220

20 David Fluellen Toledo 5111 224

21 Kapri Bibbs Colorado State 5093 212

22 Isaiah Crowell Alabama State 5110 224

23 Lorenzo Taliaferro CCU 6002 229

24 George Atkinson III Notre Dame 6013 218

25 Henry Josey Missouri 5081 194

26 Silas Redd USC 5096 212

27 Jerome Smith Syracuse 5111 220

28 Darrin Reaves UAB 5'10" 210

29 LaDarius Perkins Mississippi State 5073 195

30 Damien Williams Oklahoma 5112 222

31 Alfred Blue LSU 6023 223

32 Tim Cornett UNLV 6002 209

33 Roderick McDowell Clemson 5'9" 195

34 James Sims Kansas 6'0" 202

35 Trey Watts Tulsa 5'11" 195

36 Wesley Tate Vanderbilt 6'1" 224

37 Glasco Martin Baylor 6'0" 220

38 Brennan Clay Oklahoma 5'11" 198

39 Brendan Bigelow California 5'10" 190

40 Anthony Wilkerson Stanford 6'0" 218

41 Orleans Darkwa Tulane 6'0" 212

42 David Oku Arkansas State 5'10" 198

43 Kendrick Hardy Southern Mississippi 6'0" 222

44 John Hubert Kansas State 5'7" 192

45 Terrance Cobb Cumberlands 5'11" 220

46 Zurlon Tipton Central Michigan 6'1" 220

47 Zach Bauman Northern Arizona 5'8" 194

48 Jordan Hall Ohio State 5'8" 192

49 Fabian Truss Samford 5'9" 185

50 Kasey Carrier New Mexico 5'8" 185

51 Cody Kirk Montana State 5'10" 213

52 Kedrick Rhodes West Alabama 5'10" 204

53 Senorise Perry Louisville 6'0" 203

54 Branden Oliver Buffalo 5'7" 204

55 Adam Muema San Diego State 5'10" 202

56 Ben Malena Texas A&M 5'8" 195

57 D.J. Adams Portland State 5'9" 217

58 Vintavious Cooper East Carolina 5'9" 200

59 Jaamal Berry Murray State 5'10" 200

60 Marcus Shaw South Florida 5'9" 172

61 Taylor Cox Kansas 5'11" 212

62 Fitzgerald Toussaint Michigan 5'10" 200

63 Sam Ojuri North Dakota St 6'0" 203

64 Dom Williams Wagner 5'9" 205

65 Charles Ross Rice 6'1" 235

66 A.J. Blue North Carolina 6'1" 218

67 Waymon James TCU 5'8" 203

68 Josh Birmingham Central Oklahoma 5'8" 194

69 Brandon Baker Carson-Newman 5'10" 210

70 Keidrick Jackson Midwestern State 5'8" 212

71 Charcandrick West Abilene Christian 5'9" 199

72 Stephen Houston Indiana 5'10" 225

73 Chris Nwoke Colorado State 5'11" 213

74 Bradley Moon Shorter 5'9" 173

75 Jeremy Smith Oklahoma State 5'10" 208

76 Raymond Sanders Kentucky 5'7" 187

77 Jyruss Edwards Louisiana-Monroe 5'11" 202

78 James Gillum Minnesota 5'9⅝" 211

79 Trae Heeter Butler 5'8" 188

80 Evans Okotcha UTSA 5'8¼" 215

81 Ryan Boykin Ohio 6'1" 216

82 Kelvin York Utah 5'11" 223

83 Juwan Thompson Duke 5'10" 228

84 Greg Franklin UAB 5'10" 212

85 Toney Davis Wayne State (MI) 5'10" 205

86 James Baker Idaho 6'0" 235

87 Jermie Calhoun Angelo State 5'11" 211

88 Ike Jackson Bethune-Cookman 5'8" 182

89 Josh Harris Wake Forest 5'9" 208

90 Hunter Furr East Carolina 6'0" 225

91 Taylor Martinez Nebraska 6'0" 207

92 Nick Ricciardulli Humboldt State 5'7" 190

93 Ja'Terian Douglas Tulsa 5'10" 200

94 Dom Williams Wagner 5'8" 204

95 Jonathon Miller Illinois State 5'11" 201

96 Michael Alisa BYU 6'1" 220

97 Roderick Jones Shorter 5'10" 173

98 Torrian Pace Youngstown State 5'8¾" 230

99 Jon-Jon George Kentucky 5'10" 214

100 Dillon Baxter Baker University 5'10" 206

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This was from a bills analyst from the drafttek forums I thought it was a good base to talk about ...............this was his post combine rb rankings.................

1 Bishop Sankey Washington 5094 209

2 Carlos Hyde Ohio State 5117 230

3 Tre Mason Auburn 5084 207

4 Andre Williams Boston College 5113 230

5 Jeremy Hill LSU 6005 233

6 Lache Seastrunk Baylor 5094 201

7 Ka'Deem Carey Arizona 5093 207

8 Charles Sims WVU 6000 214

9 Jerick McKinnon Georgia Southern 5087 209

10 Marion Grice Arizona State 208

11 Devonta Freeman Florida State 5082 206

12 Terrance West Towson 5092 225

13 James Wilder Jr. Florida State 6025 232

14 Rajion Neal Tennessee 5'10" 212

15 James White Wisconsin 5091 204

16 Antonio Andrews W Kentucky 5101 225

17 Storm Johnson Central Florida 5115 209

18 Tim Flanders Sam Houston State 5085 207

19 Tyler Gaffney Stanford 5114 220

20 David Fluellen Toledo 5111 224

21 Kapri Bibbs Colorado State 5093 212

22 Isaiah Crowell Alabama State 5110 224

23 Lorenzo Taliaferro CCU 6002 229

24 George Atkinson III Notre Dame 6013 218

25 Henry Josey Missouri 5081 194

26 Silas Redd USC 5096 212

27 Jerome Smith Syracuse 5111 220

28 Darrin Reaves UAB 5'10" 210

29 LaDarius Perkins Mississippi State 5073 195

30 Damien Williams Oklahoma 5112 222

31 Alfred Blue LSU 6023 223

32 Tim Cornett UNLV 6002 209

33 Roderick McDowell Clemson 5'9" 195

34 James Sims Kansas 6'0" 202

35 Trey Watts Tulsa 5'11" 195

36 Wesley Tate Vanderbilt 6'1" 224

37 Glasco Martin Baylor 6'0" 220

38 Brennan Clay Oklahoma 5'11" 198

39 Brendan Bigelow California 5'10" 190

40 Anthony Wilkerson Stanford 6'0" 218

41 Orleans Darkwa Tulane 6'0" 212

42 David Oku Arkansas State 5'10" 198

43 Kendrick Hardy Southern Mississippi 6'0" 222

44 John Hubert Kansas State 5'7" 192

45 Terrance Cobb Cumberlands 5'11" 220

46 Zurlon Tipton Central Michigan 6'1" 220

47 Zach Bauman Northern Arizona 5'8" 194

48 Jordan Hall Ohio State 5'8" 192

49 Fabian Truss Samford 5'9" 185

50 Kasey Carrier New Mexico 5'8" 185

51 Cody Kirk Montana State 5'10" 213

52 Kedrick Rhodes West Alabama 5'10" 204

53 Senorise Perry Louisville 6'0" 203

54 Branden Oliver Buffalo 5'7" 204

55 Adam Muema San Diego State 5'10" 202

56 Ben Malena Texas A&M 5'8" 195

57 D.J. Adams Portland State 5'9" 217

58 Vintavious Cooper East Carolina 5'9" 200

59 Jaamal Berry Murray State 5'10" 200

60 Marcus Shaw South Florida 5'9" 172

61 Taylor Cox Kansas 5'11" 212

62 Fitzgerald Toussaint Michigan 5'10" 200

63 Sam Ojuri North Dakota St 6'0" 203

64 Dom Williams Wagner 5'9" 205

65 Charles Ross Rice 6'1" 235

66 A.J. Blue North Carolina 6'1" 218

67 Waymon James TCU 5'8" 203

68 Josh Birmingham Central Oklahoma 5'8" 194

69 Brandon Baker Carson-Newman 5'10" 210

70 Keidrick Jackson Midwestern State 5'8" 212

71 Charcandrick West Abilene Christian 5'9" 199

72 Stephen Houston Indiana 5'10" 225

73 Chris Nwoke Colorado State 5'11" 213

74 Bradley Moon Shorter 5'9" 173

75 Jeremy Smith Oklahoma State 5'10" 208

76 Raymond Sanders Kentucky 5'7" 187

77 Jyruss Edwards Louisiana-Monroe 5'11" 202

78 James Gillum Minnesota 5'9⅝" 211

79 Trae Heeter Butler 5'8" 188

80 Evans Okotcha UTSA 5'8¼" 215

81 Ryan Boykin Ohio 6'1" 216

82 Kelvin York Utah 5'11" 223

83 Juwan Thompson Duke 5'10" 228

84 Greg Franklin UAB 5'10" 212

85 Toney Davis Wayne State (MI) 5'10" 205

86 James Baker Idaho 6'0" 235

87 Jermie Calhoun Angelo State 5'11" 211

88 Ike Jackson Bethune-Cookman 5'8" 182

89 Josh Harris Wake Forest 5'9" 208

90 Hunter Furr East Carolina 6'0" 225

91 Taylor Martinez Nebraska 6'0" 207

92 Nick Ricciardulli Humboldt State 5'7" 190

93 Ja'Terian Douglas Tulsa 5'10" 200

94 Dom Williams Wagner 5'8" 204

95 Jonathon Miller Illinois State 5'11" 201

96 Michael Alisa BYU 6'1" 220

97 Roderick Jones Shorter 5'10" 173

98 Torrian Pace Youngstown State 5'8¾" 230

99 Jon-Jon George Kentucky 5'10" 214

100 Dillon Baxter Baker University 5'10" 206

Stephen Houston is way too low.

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Here are my post-combine rankings:

QB:

  1. Teddy Bridgewater
  2. Blake Bortles
  3. Brett Smith
  4. Johnny Manziel
  5. Keith Wenning
  6. Jimmy Garoppolo
  7. Zach Mettenberger
  8. Derek Carr

RB:

  1. Isaiah Crowell
  2. Bishop Sankey
  3. Carlos Hyde
  4. Tre Mason
  5. Lache Seastrunk
  6. Devonta Freeman
  7. Antonio Andrews
  8. Charles Sims
  9. Jeremy Hill
  10. James White
  11. Stephen Houston
  12. Terrance West
  13. Ka’Deem Carey
  14. Marion Grice
  15. Henry Josey
  16. Andre Williams
  17. Lorenzo Taliferro
  18. David Fluellen
  19. Silas Redd
  20. Zurlon Tipton
  21. Tim Cornett
  22. Brendan Bigelow

WR:

  1. Mike Evans
  2. Sammy Watkins
  3. Odell Beckham, Jr.
  4. Davante Adams
  5. Allen Robinson
  6. Brandin Cooks
  7. Cody Latimer
  8. Jordan Matthews
  9. Marqise Lee
  10. Chris Boyd
  11. Donte Moncrief
  12. Cody Hoffman
  13. Ryan Grant
  14. Josh Huff
  15. TJ Jones
  16. Paul Richardson
  17. Jarvis Landry
  18. Quincy Enunwa
  19. Bruce Ellington
  20. Martavis Bryant
  21. Kelvin Benjamin
  22. Robert Herron
  23. Matt Hazel
  24. Jalen Saunders
  25. Kain Colter
  26. Jared Abbrederis
  27. Mike Davis
  28. Shaquelle Evans
  29. Chandler Jones
  30. Damian Copeland
  31. Albert Wilson
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What makes you like Isaiah Crowell so much Xue?

He was a five start prospect out of high school but his character issues have really ruined his appeal. I don't think he'll be drafted until the late third maybe 4th rounds in rookie drafts. To much risk to draft early.

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What makes you like Isaiah Crowell so much Xue?

He was a five start prospect out of high school but his character issues have really ruined his appeal. I don't think he'll be drafted until the late third maybe 4th rounds in rookie drafts. To much risk to draft early.

My rankings don't reflect where I think he'll be drafted, just talent.

Crowell is the most talented of the "big" (220lb+) backs. It's against lower competition, but his "tape" is as good as anyone's. He did not put a great broad jump, but the 38" vertical was impressive for 224 lbs.

A few draftniks have Crowell as their #1 RB and he's in a lot of top 3's.

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Here are my post-combine rankings:

QB:

  • Teddy Bridgewater
  • Blake Bortles
  • Brett Smith
  • Johnny Manziel
  • Keith Wenning
  • Jimmy Garoppolo
  • Zach Mettenberger
  • Derek Carr

RB:

  • Isaiah Crowell
  • Bishop Sankey
  • Carlos Hyde
  • Tre Mason
  • Lache Seastrunk
  • Devonta Freeman
  • Antonio Andrews
  • Charles Sims
  • Jeremy Hill
  • James White
  • Stephen Houston
  • Terrance West
  • KaDeem Carey
  • Marion Grice
  • Henry Josey
  • Andre Williams
  • Lorenzo Taliferro
  • David Fluellen
  • Silas Redd
  • Zurlon Tipton
  • Tim Cornett
  • Brendan Bigelow

WR:

  • Mike Evans
  • Sammy Watkins
  • Odell Beckham, Jr.
  • Davante Adams
  • Allen Robinson
  • Brandin Cooks
  • Cody Latimer
  • Jordan Matthews
  • Marqise Lee
  • Chris Boyd
  • Donte Moncrief
  • Cody Hoffman
  • Ryan Grant
  • Josh Huff
  • TJ Jones
  • Paul Richardson
  • Jarvis Landry
  • Quincy Enunwa
  • Bruce Ellington
  • Martavis Bryant
  • Kelvin Benjamin
  • Robert Herron
  • Matt Hazel
  • Jalen Saunders
  • Kain Colter
  • Jared Abbrederis
  • Mike Davis
  • Shaquelle Evans
  • Chandler Jones
  • Damian Copeland
  • Albert Wilson
no love for Cody Latimer
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Here are my post-combine rankings:

QB:

  • Teddy Bridgewater
  • Blake Bortles
  • Brett Smith
  • Johnny Manziel
  • Keith Wenning
  • Jimmy Garoppolo
  • Zach Mettenberger
  • Derek Carr

RB:

  • Isaiah Crowell
  • Bishop Sankey
  • Carlos Hyde
  • Tre Mason
  • Lache Seastrunk
  • Devonta Freeman
  • Antonio Andrews
  • Charles Sims
  • Jeremy Hill
  • James White
  • Stephen Houston
  • Terrance West
  • KaDeem Carey
  • Marion Grice
  • Henry Josey
  • Andre Williams
  • Lorenzo Taliferro
  • David Fluellen
  • Silas Redd
  • Zurlon Tipton
  • Tim Cornett
  • Brendan Bigelow

WR:

  • Mike Evans
  • Sammy Watkins
  • Odell Beckham, Jr.
  • Davante Adams
  • Allen Robinson
  • Brandin Cooks
  • Cody Latimer
  • Jordan Matthews
  • Marqise Lee
  • Chris Boyd
  • Donte Moncrief
  • Cody Hoffman
  • Ryan Grant
  • Josh Huff
  • TJ Jones
  • Paul Richardson
  • Jarvis Landry
  • Quincy Enunwa
  • Bruce Ellington
  • Martavis Bryant
  • Kelvin Benjamin
  • Robert Herron
  • Matt Hazel
  • Jalen Saunders
  • Kain Colter
  • Jared Abbrederis
  • Mike Davis
  • Shaquelle Evans
  • Chandler Jones
  • Damian Copeland
  • Albert Wilson
no love for Cody Latimer

WR7.

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Here are my post-combine rankings:

QB:

  • Teddy Bridgewater
  • Blake Bortles
  • Brett Smith
  • Johnny Manziel
  • Keith Wenning
  • Jimmy Garoppolo
  • Zach Mettenberger
  • Derek Carr

RB:

  • Isaiah Crowell
  • Bishop Sankey
  • Carlos Hyde
  • Tre Mason
  • Lache Seastrunk
  • Devonta Freeman
  • Antonio Andrews
  • Charles Sims
  • Jeremy Hill
  • James White
  • Stephen Houston
  • Terrance West
  • KaDeem Carey
  • Marion Grice
  • Henry Josey
  • Andre Williams
  • Lorenzo Taliferro
  • David Fluellen
  • Silas Redd
  • Zurlon Tipton
  • Tim Cornett
  • Brendan Bigelow

WR:

  • Mike Evans
  • Sammy Watkins
  • Odell Beckham, Jr.
  • Davante Adams
  • Allen Robinson
  • Brandin Cooks
  • Cody Latimer
  • Jordan Matthews
  • Marqise Lee
  • Chris Boyd
  • Donte Moncrief
  • Cody Hoffman
  • Ryan Grant
  • Josh Huff
  • TJ Jones
  • Paul Richardson
  • Jarvis Landry
  • Quincy Enunwa
  • Bruce Ellington
  • Martavis Bryant
  • Kelvin Benjamin
  • Robert Herron
  • Matt Hazel
  • Jalen Saunders
  • Kain Colter
  • Jared Abbrederis
  • Mike Davis
  • Shaquelle Evans
  • Chandler Jones
  • Damian Copeland
  • Albert Wilson
no love for Cody Latimer

WR7.

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My current top 10 WR rank:

  • Davante Adams
  • Mike Evans
  • Sammy Watkins
  • Allen Robinson
  • Brandin Cooks
  • Jordan Matthews
  • Marqise Lee
  • Donte Moncrief
  • Odell Beckham, Jr.
  • Martavis Bryant

The more I look at this, the more 7-9 confuse me. I was super high on Lee just 2 weeks ago and he keeps slipping for me. Tempted to move Moncrief above him based on ceiling alone. I just wish Lee would have posted a tenth better in his 40. 40s are generally overrated but a guy Lee's size and letdown of a junior season, he needs every little bit he can get, imo.

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I pretty much understand the consensus for Watkins and Evans but does any of theses other rookie wrs have a clear cut outlook to be as good or a wr 1 in the nfl and if they do I'd like to know who and why?

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I pretty much understand the consensus for Watkins and Evans but does any of theses other rookie wrs have a clear cut outlook to be as good or a wr 1 in the nfl and if they do I'd like to know who and why?

There are quite a few you could make an argument for. Beckham Jr, Matthews, Bryant, Moncrief, Benjamin, Cooks. It really depends on landing spot and system that they are in. Watkins/Evans are the only 2 that people are supremely comfortable with to claim them as a good #1 already though. The others have that chance though.

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Here are my post-combine rankings:

RB:

7. Antonio Andrews

13. KaDeem Carey

I'm curious about the relative position of these two.

Both put up horrible Combine performances, but look great on tape.

Andrews is basically a bigger version of Carey. He was excellent at the Senior Bowl in pass blocking and was uncoverable as a receiver.

He also had very good yards after contact metrics.

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I pretty much understand the consensus for Watkins and Evans but does any of theses other rookie wrs have a clear cut outlook to be as good or a wr 1 in the nfl and if they do I'd like to know who and why?

There are quite a few you could make an argument for. Beckham Jr, Matthews, Bryant, Moncrief, Benjamin, Cooks. It really depends on landing spot and system that they are in. Watkins/Evans are the only 2 that people are supremely comfortable with to claim them as a good #1 already though. The others have that chance though.

Bryant was so over shadowed by Watkins and Benjamin has the age factor coming out of school. I do think your on to something with all of them. Is Jarvis Landry in that mix and does any others creep into this conversation?

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I pretty much understand the consensus for Watkins and Evans but does any of theses other rookie wrs have a clear cut outlook to be as good or a wr 1 in the nfl and if they do I'd like to know who and why?

There are quite a few you could make an argument for. Beckham Jr, Matthews, Bryant, Moncrief, Benjamin, Cooks. It really depends on landing spot and system that they are in. Watkins/Evans are the only 2 that people are supremely comfortable with to claim them as a good #1 already though. The others have that chance though.

No one stands out as a potential #1 except Matthews. He's the only one over 6-1 and runs a sub-4.5.

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I pretty much understand the consensus for Watkins and Evans but does any of theses other rookie wrs have a clear cut outlook to be as good or a wr 1 in the nfl and if they do I'd like to know who and why?

There are quite a few you could make an argument for. Beckham Jr, Matthews, Bryant, Moncrief, Benjamin, Cooks. It really depends on landing spot and system that they are in. Watkins/Evans are the only 2 that people are supremely comfortable with to claim them as a good #1 already though. The others have that chance though.

No one stands out as a potential #1 except Matthews. He's the only one over 6-1 and runs a sub-4.5.

I'm not sure why Lee isn't mentioned at all but he's got WR1 potential IMO. He's not the prototype in size but he's big enough to pull it off at 6'.

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I pretty much understand the consensus for Watkins and Evans but does any of theses other rookie wrs have a clear cut outlook to be as good or a wr 1 in the nfl and if they do I'd like to know who and why?

There are quite a few you could make an argument for. Beckham Jr, Matthews, Bryant, Moncrief, Benjamin, Cooks. It really depends on landing spot and system that they are in. Watkins/Evans are the only 2 that people are supremely comfortable with to claim them as a good #1 already though. The others have that chance though.

No one stands out as a potential #1 except Matthews. He's the only one over 6-1 and runs a sub-4.5.

I'm not sure why Lee isn't mentioned at all but he's got WR1 potential IMO. He's not the prototype in size but he's big enough to pull it off at 6'.

now it's interesting that Matthew's was mentioned. a lot of people have been down on him. there was the article by Bloom and i have read the thread kind of talking about his stats being a product of the plays and screens the offense used. I do have to say Lee looks like he has the potential but does his knee injuries scare anyone?

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I pretty much understand the consensus for Watkins and Evans but does any of theses other rookie wrs have a clear cut outlook to be as good or a wr 1 in the nfl and if they do I'd like to know who and why?

There are quite a few you could make an argument for. Beckham Jr, Matthews, Bryant, Moncrief, Benjamin, Cooks. It really depends on landing spot and system that they are in. Watkins/Evans are the only 2 that people are supremely comfortable with to claim them as a good #1 already though. The others have that chance though.

No one stands out as a potential #1 except Matthews. He's the only one over 6-1 and runs a sub-4.5.

I'm not sure why Lee isn't mentioned at all but he's got WR1 potential IMO. He's not the prototype in size but he's big enough to pull it off at 6'.

now it's interesting that Matthew's was mentioned. a lot of people have been down on him. there was the article by Bloom and i have read the thread kind of talking about his stats being a product of the plays and screens the offense used. I do have to say Lee looks like he has the potential but does his knee injuries scare anyone?

Interesting you say this though. Height and Speed are the only things that matter? Steve Smith has been a #1 for years and he's not tall (although fast). All the guys mentioned have that opportunity if treated right and in the right system. Smith has been thrown around as the Cooks comparison so why can't he be the same thing to a team?

I forgot to mention Lee, but I am lower on him than others. Situation dependent in my mind. WR7 for me.

I really like Matthews as a great #2 WR on a team. I think he will easily find a niche there. So I guess not too different than what Bloom wrote just a little bit higher.

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Are there any rankings based strictly on Game tape/viewing? Combine is all fluff. Look what it did for Blaine Gabbert. I'd like to see those rankings if any exist or if anyone has taken that on. I don't get to watch much college stuff.

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Are there any rankings based strictly on Game tape/viewing? Combine is all fluff. Look what it did for Blaine Gabbert. I'd like to see those rankings if any exist or if anyone has taken that on. I don't get to watch much college stuff.

Those would be the pre-combine rankings. Most rankings change after the combine, so its not all fluff.

My post combine RB ranking

1. Bishop Sankey

2. Isaiah Crowell

3. Tre Mason

4. Carlos Hyde

5. Rajion Neal

6. Charles Sims

7. Andre Williams

8. Lache Seastrunk

9. George Atkinson

10. Kadeem Carey

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I kinda got my post-combine tiers sorted out for RB & WR

RB

Lache Seatstrunk

Tre Mason

Bishop Sankey

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Jeremy Hill

Carlos Hyde

Andre Williams

Ka'Deem Carey

Charles Simms

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Devonta Freeman

Terrence West

Isiah Crowell

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Jerick McKinnon

Kapri Bibbs

WR

Sammy Watkins

Mike Evans

Marquis Lee

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Odell Beckham

Kelvin Benjamin

Jordan Mathews

Allen Robinson

Brandin Cooks

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Donte Moncreif

Martavius Bryant

Jarvis Landry

Davante Adams

I really like this kind of thing.

Anyone want to take a running shot at guesstimating where these key players will land in terms of their actual draft number range?

Also, does anyone have a link for finding what teams have what picks?

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I kinda got my post-combine tiers sorted out for RB & WR

RB

Lache Seatstrunk

Tre Mason

Bishop Sankey

-----------------------------

Jeremy Hill

Carlos Hyde

Andre Williams

Ka'Deem Carey

Charles Simms

----------------------------

Devonta Freeman

Terrence West

Isiah Crowell

----------------------------

Jerick McKinnon

Kapri Bibbs

WR

Sammy Watkins

Mike Evans

Marquis Lee

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Odell Beckham

Kelvin Benjamin

Jordan Mathews

Allen Robinson

Brandin Cooks

----------------------

Donte Moncreif

Martavius Bryant

Jarvis Landry

Davante Adams

I really like this kind of thing.

Anyone want to take a running shot at guesstimating where these key players will land in terms of their actual draft number range?

Also, does anyone have a link for finding what teams have what picks?

Nfl.com should have all the picks in order by round if you can't find it type draft in the search box.

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My current top 10 WR rank:

  • Davante Adams
  • Mike Evans
  • Sammy Watkins
  • Allen Robinson
  • Brandin Cooks
  • Jordan Matthews
  • Marqise Lee
  • Donte Moncrief
  • Odell Beckham, Jr.
  • Martavis Bryant

Ok, I've come full circle on Sammy Watkins. Here are my updated rankings for the 2014 rookie WRs. I'm most confident in my top 5 - meaning any of those guys could end up being best of the class, not necessarily the order.

  • Sammy Watkins
  • Mike Evans
  • Brandin Cooks
  • Davante Adams
  • Allen Robinson
  • Marqise Lee
  • Jordan Matthews
  • Donte Moncrief
  • Odell Beckham, Jr.
  • Martavis Bryant
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My current top 10 WR rank:

  • Davante Adams
  • Mike Evans
  • Sammy Watkins
  • Allen Robinson
  • Brandin Cooks
  • Jordan Matthews
  • Marqise Lee
  • Donte Moncrief
  • Odell Beckham, Jr.
  • Martavis Bryant

Ok, I've come full circle on Sammy Watkins. Here are my updated rankings for the 2014 rookie WRs. I'm most confident in my top 5 - meaning any of those guys could end up being best of the class, not necessarily the order.

  • Sammy Watkins
  • Mike Evans
  • Brandin Cooks
  • Davante Adams
  • Allen Robinson
  • Marqise Lee
  • Jordan Matthews
  • Donte Moncrief
  • Odell Beckham, Jr.
  • Martavis Bryant

That may just be the lowest I've seen Beckham. How exactly does Cooks/Watkins both move up yet Beckham stays at 9?

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My current top 10 WR rank:

  • Davante Adams
  • Mike Evans
  • Sammy Watkins
  • Allen Robinson
  • Brandin Cooks
  • Jordan Matthews
  • Marqise Lee
  • Donte Moncrief
  • Odell Beckham, Jr.
  • Martavis Bryant

Ok, I've come full circle on Sammy Watkins. Here are my updated rankings for the 2014 rookie WRs. I'm most confident in my top 5 - meaning any of those guys could end up being best of the class, not necessarily the order.

  • Sammy Watkins
  • Mike Evans
  • Brandin Cooks
  • Davante Adams
  • Allen Robinson
  • Marqise Lee
  • Jordan Matthews
  • Odell Beckham, Jr.
  • Donte Moncrief
  • Martavis Bryant

That may just be the lowest I've seen Beckham. How exactly does Cooks/Watkins both move up yet Beckham stays at 9?

My 6-9 are all up in the air for me at this point. This top 10 is essentially 3 tiers with 1-5 being tier 1, 6-9 in tier 2 and 10 being in tier 3. I probably need to move Beckham ahead of Moncrief as I'm souring on Moncrief in recent days.

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Beckham at 9 seems way low.

I'm not a fan of his low TD production. Also from a probability standpoint, there will only be "so many" short WRs who develop into WR1s from this group and since I have both Lee and Cooks ahead of him, that bumps him down a bit. I use a combination of probability, tape and metrics to rank players all pretty evenly. The chances of this class producing three different 5'10 WRs who become WR1 is going to be very low. My goal when drafting players is to acquire elite players - I'm not going for safe. Not sure if that makes any sense to you but it does to me :)

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