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Davante Adams had a pretty similar stretch of concussions to Cooks' last 2 seasons in 2016-2017. Not saying Cooks will recover the same way, but we're not talking about Jordan Reed missing a whole year from a concussion here.
It's actually a little better then that for Texans. Cooks will make $12M this year but the Rams already paid out $4M on his bonus. Texans "only" owe him $8M
I think you're overstating the head injuries, so maybe that's the base difference. If Cooks stays relatively healthy this season, Houston won't blink picking up that option for 21. He's missed 2 games in the past 5 seasons, so I don't think it's significantly more likely he gets hurt than your average sub-200 lb. WR.
Fuller just had his career best year...49 for 670 and 3 TD's. Cooks had 4 straight 1,000 yard seasons and is only 6 months older than Fuller. Nothing close to the same level of players.
A really good point that doesn't seem so, for some reason. But five concussions. I beg to differ with jtd13. He's a simple fall away from being in the protocol for five-six weeks.
All season totals tells you is that Fuller has missed a lot more games than Cooks. Fuller is one of the most impactful WRs in football the last 2 seasons when on the field. It's a fair debate who is the 1 when both are healthy. I'd lean Fuller.
Honest question, is that known? Is there something in the concussion protocol saying the time gets longer if you have a certain number?
You make a good point about two things. The first is that while I do think there is something to repeated concussions and the trauma needed to induce one getting less and less the more times it happens, I say that from folklore rather than a position of medical expertise. I'll have to check that out a bit before I keep harping on it. And Adams. I have never rostered him so I don't follow his ins and outs like I would players I have a distinct interest in. Reynolds sat on the WW in a few leagues I was in last year so I sort of got up to speed on the problems Cooks was having. But you're right to point out that Adams, if he has had three in fourteen months, should be mentioned in the conversation. I remember that hit on Adams. It was brutal and everyone was happy that he got up, never mind played the next week or week after, IIRC.
I suppose but what if you factor in the 18 mil over the next two years they’re paying Randall Cobb. At equal money would you rather have Hopkins or Cobb and Cooks?
I don't know any other way to say this. If you factor in the Hopkins and Cobb moves as part of every move going forward.... they are all bad moves. The Hopkins and Cobb moves were very bad moves. I wouldn't want Cobb at his salary..... full stop.
If I need a WR and we have the 2020 draft class upcoming I'd rather have a 2nd round pick than Cobb or Cooks.
I'm gonna take a minority stance here, and say that while the cap has been handled terribly, I don't really see the Rams being a very different team than they were a year ago. Most of the guys they shed were dead weight, and/or not worth the terrible contracts they are being paid. Cory Littleton is the only guy they lost that I think they'll really miss. They still have a solid young QB, a bunch of good proven targets, the best defensive player in the NFL, a top flight CB, and potentially a good young secondary overall with better health.
As a Texan fan I don't mind this move, 8M and a 2nd for a proven impact WR1 on what is now a team friendly deal going forward after the Rams ate his dead money. Hit rate on 2nd round WR's is very poor so I get the move since BOB created a huge hole after moving Hopkins. The injury risk is real, but they can cut him any year after this year.
1. This isn't true.
The primary reason that was Fullers best season is injuries which is now something I believe is a major issue for Cooks. Or we can just dismiss injuries and say you are what you are in which case Fuller was better then Cooks in every single category last year on one less target.
Just the inconsistency he suffers due to injury so far in his career. Would love him and overdraft in best ball, but not interested in dynasty personally. I try to load the value on my roster into my starting lineup and then have some reliable or cheap backups. If Fuller gets cheap he becomes viable again to me. For now I'll own Desean Jackson for free and hope he makes it into the season healthy for similar bye week burst potential, just as an example.
Word. Sounds like a solid strategy. If I'm reading you right, you do this because a guy like Jackson comes cheap and can drop twenty points on your opponent in two catches. Fuller is a boom/bust guy that, because of his cost, you're almost impelled or forced to start. But he's not good value because people overvalue him compared to his absolute output.
This is my opinion, yeah. Exactly. The value I'd have to invest into Fuller is value I'd rather have in a guy I feel good about when listing my starting lineup. Of course there comes a point where nearly any player can become a value, Fuller just isn't there for me right now. He'd make nice depth if he carried the cost of one of my depth players, but he doesn't for me because I'm addicted to consolidating. That's not gonna be the case for everyone and some owners would love him as the first guy off their bench or something.
The hit is tough no doubt, and I’m a big fan of Cooks, but I gotta say I like this move. WR is our deepest position and the drop off (if any) from Cooks to Reynolds is small. The extra 2nd rd pick is massive for us with the holes on the OLine and LB’er we have. Add in the extremely deep WR class this year and the move makes sense to me. We were taking the 21 hit either way. I’ll take no virtually no positional drop off and another hole plugged.
I said a few times in another thread that in one league I'm in Reynolds was an FA I was bidding on because I thought Cooks was going to get traded and Reynolds would slide right in and at least get volume, which I thought would lead to production, as I like Reynolds. We'll see for sure now. They also might run more 12 personnel with the two tight ends in Everett and Higbee, though a bunch of people think Everett is trade bait because he's a FA next year.
I was exaggerating. I've owned him the past 3 years. I've dealt with the ups and downs. He has blow-up games, but I watched him drop 3 TDs in one game this past year. He's far from a #1 is what I was implying in a strange way.
That’s what scared me too without question. The dude is tough despite being small so he goes over the middle a lot and gets laid out. Every single game I was bracing for the coming concussion. This last one I honestly felt awful for him.
The 12 is certainly a possibility, with DH in the backfield that’s a pretty tough to cover group (barring the line can hold up to give Goff time).
Because it's all about me, I inherited Everett in dynasty and really liked him last year when I had him in redraft. Change of scenery might be good, but I think the Rams can support two tight ends like New England used to. It's a stretch, but it's possible. I'd rather he was solamente king #### of #### mountain at the TE position, but Higbee also looked massively legit when called upon last year.
Nice, it could pay off for ya. Would love to see a rehash of Gronk/Hernandez in LA (minus the murdering of course).
Madness
Lol I saw the cooks thread bumped and read through this page, first I have seen of the terms of the deal and nearly spit out my coffee- you trade nuk for a 2nd and Dj, then trade a 2nd for cooks. Makes no sense. I thought it would be like a 4th or so...does cooks have a nickname? Can we start calling him “doobie cooks” because he just gets passed around the league? Maybe fitzmagic or Hyde already have that one....
Wouldn’t he have been better off taking on the salary of Hopkins who is really good as opposed to Cooks and DJ who are coming off seasons where they look like they have one foot in retirement?
The Rams look absolutely cooked financially. It’s likely to be a rough stretch for them.
It’s gonna be a rocky ride for sure. But we’ve got some elite level talent (AD, Ramsey) and a solid base of good players (Kupp , Woods, Johnson, Goff when given time, etc) so if some young players step up we’re still a legit playoff team while we dig out of the financial hole.
Agreed. They do have to resign Ramsey soon.dkp993 said:
This is an ironic post, because the Rams did exactly what you are praising BOB for here - they went all in to push hard for a Super Bowl, and it almost worked. Now they are paying the price for that. They went for it with the intent of paying for it later, and later has come for them. They had no choice but to reset their roster and lose at least one season of competitiveness as a result... though they do still have some compelling talent on both offense and defense.
i realize this was mentioned earlier in the thread by others, but good post nevertheless. and the larger problem for the Rams is they are moving into the new stadium this year so without a playoff berth they'll lose the fan base before they even settle into their mansion. as fickle as LA fans are, Rams will be hard pressed to fill the seats unless this young group can put it together. There is definitely enough talent to do so imo, only piece I don't trust is the one piece they need most in Goff.
For sure it’s a risky approach, but as a fan I prefer it. As as you point out had they not run into the best coach of all time (probably) it would have. (Still if you tell me we’d hold the Pats to 13 points I’d feel really good about our chances). And the “lost season” is still likely better then 50% of the league.....
