ryno1980
Footballguy
Go back to last year. The hype started then. Only reason it died down was Dorsett, Johnson additions made everyone wonder about too many mouths too feed.
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Don't sleep on Donte Moncrief: Draft Day steal (1 Viewer)
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Kenny Powers
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Jrodicus
Footballguy
Hilton is boom or bust, and he has bad hands. He's definitely a homerun threat on any given play, but he's not a guy you can consistently rely on to catch a lot of intermediate passes.
I don't think it's crazy to think Moncrief is going to be a more valuable player in PPR leagues.
oddsbodkins
Footballguy
Two great weeks and he makes AJ look way older than he is. He's the only thing going right for Luck so far.
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Footballguy
I remember Hilton's rookie year, there were people saying he had bad hands - there was a drop stat that was very misleading when you actually watched his "drops". I know that offseason there were reports that he was working big time with Harrison on his hands and route running.
This year I know he has 17 targets in 2 games with no drops. Was just reading an article earlier about Ginn with Miami and how his hands are so bad, and they had a chart up listing drops through Week 2. I remember noticing that Moncrief had 1 drop on 13 targets.
I think that "bad hands" label has been shed by Hilton, if it ever was even an issue. I've been able to watch all his snaps this year and he's been fine. So has Moncreif. I still think Hilton holds that #1 for longer than many think, with Moncrief maybe challenging at some point late season, or next year.
*Edited* Just went and checked for last year - Hilton had a drop % of 5.3, which put him near the top. There were 140+ players that had a higher drop % than him. His hands are fine.
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
I think they play different roles. I prefer the role Moncrief plays. Hilton is what he is, a deeply speedster. He's going to be more up and down.
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Footballguy
I've been gathering Luck's WRs like a squirrel gathering nuts for a few years now. Some WR with size is going to become a super stud with Luck, someday - maybe it's Moncrief.
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
After two weeks on my bench I'm running with him today. Why the hell not?
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
With Andre Johnson moving like LeRoy Hoard nowadays, hard not to like Moncrief's chances. Johnson may catch a few TD's based on sheer opportunity and his QB but he's not going to catch a lot of balls week in/out.
I don't think Johnson is an upgrade on either 2014 Wayne or Nicks or 2013 DHB. He simply can't move at all anymore. Nothing whatsoever out of his breaks and can't run.
I don't think Johnson is an upgrade on either 2014 Wayne or Nicks or 2013 DHB. He simply can't move at all anymore. Nothing whatsoever out of his breaks and can't run.
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dickey moe
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Benched Olson for Moncrief at Flex = MISTAKEdickey moe said:
skol asylum
Footballguy
In a dynasty, dropped him as JAG in favor of picking up NO WR Coleman right before season started. I mean i already had Andre Johnson and Duron Carter so what use is this guy? #brilliance
Jrodicus
Footballguy
Looks like you're using Sporting Charts for your stats. Unfortunately "drops" aren't specified as a stat, so it's a bit subjective. I will say that they had him at a 6.7% drop rate in 2012, but Pro Football Focus had him tied for highest drop rate in the league at 16.67.
I guess it depends on who you read and who you believe.
Who would be better - Hilton or Brazil - was the big question when they were rookies. Seeing them both, live, I thought Hilton was the guy to own. However, I still say that Hilton does not have good hands. He is solid on deep routes and can make incredible adjustments on the ball in mid air...but then will drop ball that hits him in the hands on a 5 yard in route.
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
I was only watching Red Zone, but in the looks I saw, even in 2 WR sets, it was Moncrief and TY, not Andre. Luck looks to him in the red zone too. Feeling good about this waiver pick up for sure. Plus I'd assume Luck and the Colts are going to improve....at least I hope so.
Hoss Style
Footballguy
I think this is closer to reality. And the only year I've ever seen anyone say he had "bad" hands, was his rookie year, 2012, like the poster above said. Even then, I remember checking on Rewind, and a few of those drops were some pretty questionable long pass "drops".
I use Pro Football Focus as well as other sites. PFF had Hilton with great hands in 2013 & '14. 6.82% & 5.75%, respectively.
Everyone I've seen has Hilton with good to great hands after his rookie year.
But I will agree that it's a tough stat to track, and it sounds like you're in Indy (you watch it live), and I'm just going off of TV, which doesn't always give a great perspective. I just hope he keeps up what he's been doing this year with no drops so far. I own both him and Moncrief, so want them both to succeed.
*ETA* I couldn't argue with you in the playoffs, though. I remember he had some big drops last year, but it was just one game that I saw. Still, it was a bad game.
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ryno1980
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http://deadspin.com/report-andrew-luck-has-a-partially-separated-shoulder-1734789316
6-75 or whatever he had yesterday is OK, but it was against a bad team at home. hasselbeck lowers his outlook this season but by how much?
6-75 or whatever he had yesterday is OK, but it was against a bad team at home. hasselbeck lowers his outlook this season but by how much?
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SaintsInDome2006
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I don't think it's so bad. I would seek to acquire Moncrief, Luck will be back and there will be targets aplenty.
timbrah_ho
Footballguy
Dudes become a weekly play in my lineup. Sat him yesterday but he still came through with a decent PPR stat line.
Whats everyone's call for Thursdays game? Even if Luck plays he might be handing off a lot plus its the dreaded Thursday night road game
Whats everyone's call for Thursdays game? Even if Luck plays he might be handing off a lot plus its the dreaded Thursday night road game
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Houston's defense is not what it was last year and they have issues too. If Luck's going I'm starting Moncrief.
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timbrah_ho
Footballguy
"When in doubt, Thursday's out"
Jack White
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Grahamburn
Footballguy
Doug Martin and Kendall Wright send him to the bench this week. Can't imagine the Colts offensive being very explosive tonight.
timbrah_ho
Footballguy
1) Thursday game is generally not fruitful even under good conditions
2) He's being thrown to by a QB who was in the emergency room getting treatment for a virus two days ago. I foresee lots of Gore tonight
I don't like it, I sat him last week and watched him have a decent game and told myself he's a weekly starter from here on out...but that's starting NEXT week
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Don't Noonan
Footballguy
No other options due to short bench, injuries, and byes. I am starting him tonight
Big Blue Wrecking Crew
downsized
Leaning towards John Brown now. Palmer has to do more than draw PI calls with him, right?
jtd13
Footballguy
Same choice and same decision for me.
timbrah_ho
Footballguy
Not to mention Detroit has been one of the worst DST against the deep ball this year. Right in Brown's wheelhouse
Hasselbeck threw 47 times last week. 20 times to RB/TE and 27 times to WR. This while Gore had 17 rush attempts.
So adjust the numbers tonight to 22 rushes for Gore, 15 attempts to RB/TE and 24 attempts to WR, assuming the Texans can control the clock better than the Jags did last week. I think 7 targets for Moncrief tonight sounds right. Maybe he ends up with 5 for 60 and a 50% chance of a TD. I'll take those odds as my WR3. The only thing that concerns me is if they force the ball to Andre for some sort of "in your face" homecoming thing to the Texans. Pagano and Pep are dumb enough to do it.
So adjust the numbers tonight to 22 rushes for Gore, 15 attempts to RB/TE and 24 attempts to WR, assuming the Texans can control the clock better than the Jags did last week. I think 7 targets for Moncrief tonight sounds right. Maybe he ends up with 5 for 60 and a 50% chance of a TD. I'll take those odds as my WR3. The only thing that concerns me is if they force the ball to Andre for some sort of "in your face" homecoming thing to the Texans. Pagano and Pep are dumb enough to do it.
timbrah_ho
Footballguy
If Hasselbeck were 100% I'd agree with that analysis but dude was in the ER two days ago and I think they try and ride Gore this week. Also yeah I'd imagine this might be AJ's only solid game of the year which might take away from Moncrief's value too. When in doubt, THursday's out
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
Starting Moncrief over Watkins, Stevie Johnson, Marvin Jones
Flexing Doug Martin and Clay over Moncrief
Both of these non-PPR.
Flexing Doug Martin and Clay over Moncrief
Both of these non-PPR.
Art_VanDalay
Footballguy
Been debating Moncrief all day today between other flex type choices of Cooks and Duke Johnson. My .02 on tonight...
Expect to see a lot of Gore like others. Hass will start but he isn't 100% which has to be like 60% of a regular starting NFL QB given his age and being on the road. PRO MONCRIEF: Will see a lot of the slot and has at least 3" on every Hou CB. Hass should be looking to get the ball out of his hands in a hurry when he wants to throw when he looks across and see Watt ready to take him apart. Their OL will not be able to holdup for any deep balls in this game so I think the offense in the air has to go through Moncrief and wouldn't be surprised to see a real poor 5ish game from Hilton. If Moncrief or Hilton have big games, it will have to be YAC.
CON MONCRIEF: This OL is going to be a problem tonight and this has all the makings of a lot of penalties, punts and lack of points. Moncrief will likely only have limited targets 5-7 imo and this game will likely remain close since I don't expect Hou to run away in this one. Don't think there will be much time for Hass to run PA and also knowing that Hass has been sick and not 100%, I am not convinced that he can even finish the game tonight. Ask yourself if you would start Moncrief if Johnson were starting and if the answer is 'hell no' factor that in slightly to your decision. Road national game also doesn't help.
I still haven't made up my mind but I think I am going to move Cooks over him but as of right now I have Moncrief in the starting lineup. This is a close call but at best I think we are looking at a 10 point game as the ceiling in a standard league for Moncrief and a 4 or so more likely. Thoughts?
Expect to see a lot of Gore like others. Hass will start but he isn't 100% which has to be like 60% of a regular starting NFL QB given his age and being on the road. PRO MONCRIEF: Will see a lot of the slot and has at least 3" on every Hou CB. Hass should be looking to get the ball out of his hands in a hurry when he wants to throw when he looks across and see Watt ready to take him apart. Their OL will not be able to holdup for any deep balls in this game so I think the offense in the air has to go through Moncrief and wouldn't be surprised to see a real poor 5ish game from Hilton. If Moncrief or Hilton have big games, it will have to be YAC.
CON MONCRIEF: This OL is going to be a problem tonight and this has all the makings of a lot of penalties, punts and lack of points. Moncrief will likely only have limited targets 5-7 imo and this game will likely remain close since I don't expect Hou to run away in this one. Don't think there will be much time for Hass to run PA and also knowing that Hass has been sick and not 100%, I am not convinced that he can even finish the game tonight. Ask yourself if you would start Moncrief if Johnson were starting and if the answer is 'hell no' factor that in slightly to your decision. Road national game also doesn't help.
I still haven't made up my mind but I think I am going to move Cooks over him but as of right now I have Moncrief in the starting lineup. This is a close call but at best I think we are looking at a 10 point game as the ceiling in a standard league for Moncrief and a 4 or so more likely. Thoughts?
sbonomo
Footballguy
You and i seem to have the same team, welcome to mediocrity. For me, the NO offense just has not clicked this year. The screen game that made me want Cooks is not there. While Hass is way past his prime, i believe he will still run the offense efficiently which gives me more comfort in Moncrief than Cooks. At this point, i would kill for the 6/75 and a TD from this slot in my lineup. I am rolling with Moncrief.
