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Thanks all. Seems like good advice. Just feeling a little bored is all I guess.
You really are lucky to have a BigLaw position that you enjoy as much as you do and where you are valued as much as you are for your work, not for being a rainmaker.Thanks all. Seems like good advice. Just feeling a little bored is all I guess.
Back to the grind.
I've had a full week of depos in one of those cases that keeps me up at night. Today I took the plaintiff; tomorrow I have their financial expert.Yankee23Fan said:
Well, if I don't turn into a rainmaker in the coming years, I may start to become a lot less valued.....You really are lucky to have a BigLaw position that you enjoy as much as you do and where you are valued as much as you are for your work, not for being a rainmaker.Thanks all. Seems like good advice. Just feeling a little bored is all I guess.
Back to the grind.
You produced documents previously? And I'm not looking for an exhibit list. I'm looking for documents you intend to offer into evidence. If you presently know you're going to be offering a document into evidence you are required to produce it now, not in accordance with the deadlines provided by the Court. And you have an ongoing duty to supplement. So if next month you determine that you are going to use another document you didn't previously produce you have to supplement your document production."To the extent not previously produced" is your friend. Also, objection, premature. Discovery in this case is in its infancy, and plaintiff has not yet determined what exhibits he will introduce at the trial of this matter. Defendant will be provided with an Exhibit list in accordance with the deadlines provided by the Court.Request 1 - Please produce the contract between the parties.
Request 2 - Please produce all documents which support your allegation that Defendant breached the contract between the parties.
Request 3 - Please produce all documents you intend to offer into evidence at the trial of this matter.
Yes, the contract between the parties would be responsive to all of these requests. BUT YOU DON'T NEED TO SEND ME THREE COPIES OF THE ####### CONTRACT!
Yes, Christo, I'm also familiar with the rules of discovery. No one is ####ing with you. Every judge I've ever been in front of has ruled in my favor on every one of the issues you're talking about.You produced documents previously? And I'm not looking for an exhibit list. I'm looking for documents you intend to offer into evidence. If you presently know you're going to be offering a document into evidence you are required to produce it now, not in accordance with the deadlines provided by the Court. And you have an ongoing duty to supplement. So if next month you determine that you are going to use another document you didn't previously produce you have to supplement your document production.Don't #### with me, I know this #### cold. Many a case is won or lost in discovery."To the extent not previously produced" is your friend. Also, objection, premature. Discovery in this case is in its infancy, and plaintiff has not yet determined what exhibits he will introduce at the trial of this matter. Defendant will be provided with an Exhibit list in accordance with the deadlines provided by the Court.
Request 2 - Please produce all documents which support your allegation that Defendant breached the contract between the parties.
Request 3 - Please produce all documents you intend to offer into evidence at the trial of this matter.
Yes, the contract between the parties would be responsive to all of these requests. BUT YOU DON'T NEED TO SEND ME THREE COPIES OF THE ####### CONTRACT!
Fact is, like a good plaintiff's lawyer, I give the defendant everything. I have no reason to hold anything back. It's contingency - I don't take a case unless it's a great case. And all I have is my client. If he/she looks shady, we lose. But "name all documents you will introduce at trial" is a lazy way of asking for relevant documents. And I truly don't know until after discovery what I will and won't use. So I just object to that question and move on.
What about in-house with some biotech firm or other company that produces something that interests you?Law firm-wise I think you're in a good spot. You just said you have a shot of being the head of your practice group, no?Well, if I don't turn into a rainmaker in the coming years, I may start to become a lot less valued.....You really are lucky to have a BigLaw position that you enjoy as much as you do and where you are valued as much as you are for your work, not for being a rainmaker.Thanks all. Seems like good advice. Just feeling a little bored is all I guess.
Back to the grind.
Maybe I'll just pay off the mortgage doubly fast and then get the hell out of dodge. Go do something more fun.
Yup. Sounds like it's all but a given in 5 or 10 years. Only reason it hadn't happened now is because the powers that be believe I'm still too young. That said, with that comes a lot of headache and management crap and nonsense that I don't particularly have the patience for. But it's a profitable and safe place to be for sure.What about in-house with some biotech firm or other company that produces something that interests you?Law firm-wise I think you're in a good spot. You just said you have a shot of being the head of your practice group, no?Well, if I don't turn into a rainmaker in the coming years, I may start to become a lot less valued.....You really are lucky to have a BigLaw position that you enjoy as much as you do and where you are valued as much as you are for your work, not for being a rainmaker.Thanks all. Seems like good advice. Just feeling a little bored is all I guess.
Back to the grind.
Maybe I'll just pay off the mortgage doubly fast and then get the hell out of dodge. Go do something more fun.
If you could go to google today, buy a different house if the paycut is that steep. Have you seen their offices?Oh and I can't go in house anytime soon given the new mortgage I take on as of next month.
Maybe in a few years, a place like Google in house could make a whole lot of sense for me.
Been there several times for meals and meetings (Google NYC). It's awesome.If you could go to google today, buy a different house if the paycut is that steep. Have you seen their offices?Oh and I can't go in house anytime soon given the new mortgage I take on as of next month.
Maybe in a few years, a place like Google in house could make a whole lot of sense for me.
I'm afraid to even ask how it got there as I'm worried about getting charged for a stupid phone call. I mean, I spoke to him for maybe a total of 30-40 minutes on the phone throughout the last 2 weeks. I'd guess he probably spent another 2 hrs on the phone with the builder. We exchanged probably a total of 20 emails, most of them not more than 1-2 lines.
California, Colorado, Mississippi, Texas and New York seem to have done okay for me so far.-fish- said:you would get slaughtered in courts outside of louisiana."To the extent not previously produced" is your friend. Also, objection, premature. Discovery in this case is in its infancy, and plaintiff has not yet determined what exhibits he will introduce at the trial of this matter. Defendant will be provided with an Exhibit list in accordance with the deadlines provided by the Court.
Request 2 - Please produce all documents which support your allegation that Defendant breached the contract between the parties.
Request 3 - Please produce all documents you intend to offer into evidence at the trial of this matter.
Yes, the contract between the parties would be responsive to all of these requests. BUT YOU DON'T NEED TO SEND ME THREE COPIES OF THE ####### CONTRACT!
california courts that I've practiced in would sanction you for that kind of gamesmanship in discovery.
There's no gamesmanship involved. I don't know what I'm introducing into evidence, but here's everything I have that's responsive to your other inquiries has been perfectly acceptable in every action I've been involved in in California, mostly because, as I noted above, I don't withhold documents in any way.
Honestly, I don't understand the desire to talk about your jobs and clients during your free time. Don't get me wrong, I like my job well enough, but I come to the FFA to get a break from what I'm working on. You people are obsessed!
If you don't have a substantial book, leaving for another firm is a HUGE risk. You're a partner now. Without a book, you won't make top dollar in the lateral market. And if you were offered enough to make the move worth it, you're at the mercy of the new firm and its partners to feed you work, and many firms and partners will think that's your job. The reason you're fed work now is because of the reputation and relationships you've built with your partners over the last decade. You won't have that right away (or in the first few years) at a new firm. And if (when) you fail to meet expectations in your first couple years, your comp will get chopped after the guarantee expires, and then you'll be looking for the next gig. The next firm will have high expectations, you'll fail to meet them, and in a couple years you'll be looking again. Rinse, repeat. I've seen it a thousand times. If you jump on the lateral train, you better be absolutely sure that you can support yourself and meet profitability expectations. Otherwise you'll find yourself in the cycle of jumping every 2-3 years.Otis said:
Agreed. But when I have to blow off some steam it's better when people actually know what I'm talking about some of the ttime.
Sometimes the things we do seem to stand in stark opposition to the reasons we wanted to be lawyers. It doesn't change the fact that what we do is an integral part of one of the most impressive systems of access to a chance at justice ever created.
OK, Atticus.
??? Why would clawback language be relevant here? Maybe you're using that term in a different way than a lawyer would. What's going on? (Also, FINALLY someone is speaking my language in here!)
Assuming he made a bunch of money exercising options while working there, but it also sounds like he's pre-IPO, so I'm confused.
You're confused? I understand about three words in that initial post. And one of them is just a series of #s.
We need a lot more info to know what he's talking about.
About as WASPy as you could possibly be without just becoming a pile of white powder.
Pffft.
"restricted vesting" is not a term that makes sense. Do you mean vesting of restricted stock?
On executive team of a private company. Bought over 2 years ago by BIG private equity firm. Got about 1/2 percent of the company, vesting over 4 years. So let's say I have 50% of that equity vested. We signed a promissory note so that shares would be treated as capital gains when exercised. The problem? Do a google search on Skype. Some guy blasted that he was hosed, even with vested shares, on the sale to Microsoft.The clawback language refers to their right to buy back all vested shares for anybody who leaves the company. We're talking voluntarily or not. Could be fired, go on disability, die, etc. Doesn't matter. If you're a "good leaver", having "good reason" (your job title has been downgraded, your pay dropped by 10% or more, or forced to relocate) after a 5 month freakin' cure period they may have to buy you back out at current fair market value. If you're a "bad leaver" (leave on your own or with cause), then all they have to do is buy back your shares at what you paid for them. So with the promissory note, and interest, I guess technically you could owe them money.
The google says there any many companies that allow it and I have already found one investment firm with "propietary software" that shows you if you should do so in your company if you have the chance.
