The Lawyer Thread Where We Stop Ruining Other Threads

[Henry Ford 60,520]

The thing you're not taking into account is that American courts have exercised jurisdiction over some stuff in the past that you probably would have also thought improbable.

This.

The courts do #### all the time that makes no sense. Learn it. Know it. Live it. Love it.

See, generally, Piper Aircraft v. Reyno

[Christo 6,185]

The thing you're not taking into account is that American courts have exercised jurisdiction over some stuff in the past that you probably would have also thought improbable.

This.

The courts do #### all the time that makes no sense. Learn it. Know it. Live it. Love it.

See, generally, Piper Aircraft v. Reyno

Or the summary judgment motion I lost two weeks ago because the court couldn't figure out how the plaintiff was damaged. Even though I represent the defendant. And argued in my motion for summary judgment that the plaintiff hadn't demonstrated how it was damaged.

[Henry Ford 60,520]

The thing you're not taking into account is that American courts have exercised jurisdiction over some stuff in the past that you probably would have also thought improbable.

This.

The courts do #### all the time that makes no sense. Learn it. Know it. Live it. Love it.

See, generally, Piper Aircraft v. Reyno

Or the summary judgment motion I lost two weeks ago because the court couldn't figure out how the plaintiff was damaged. Even though I represent the defendant. And argued in my motion for summary judgment that the plaintiff hadn't demonstrated how it was damaged.

I just got an overturn on a motion in limine I lost where the defendant argued that a letter its general manager wrote was hearsay.

[the rover 5,460]

The thing you're not taking into account is that American courts have exercised jurisdiction over some stuff in the past that you probably would have also thought improbable.

This.

The courts do #### all the time that makes no sense. Learn it. Know it. Live it. Love it.

See, generally, Piper Aircraft v. Reyno

Or the summary judgment motion I lost two weeks ago because the court couldn't figure out how the plaintiff was damaged. Even though I represent the defendant. And argued in my motion for summary judgment that the plaintiff hadn't demonstrated how it was damaged.

I just got an overturn on a motion in limine I lost where the defendant argued that a letter its general manager wrote was hearsay.

maybe they meant heresy. I always got those mixed up.

[CletiusMaximus 8,911]

Note to my outside counsel: You should buy a silent keyboard. When I hear you furiously typing during our phone calls, it fills me with rage. You're doing a decent job, but I'm already doing the math as to what it would set us back to replace you.

[Yankee23Fan 9,295]

I enjoy when guys and gals are eating while on the phone. I've asked a few times what they are having because it sounds good.

[Henry Ford 60,520]

Attorneys practicing in Arizona (looking at you, Zow):

I need to know whether anyone puts out an Eason's-type book of damage awards for Arizona. I have a friend who lives there I'm trying to point in the right direction regarding a soft-tissue injury in a car accident, and I just have no sense of what's a reasonable award for a 6-month treatment soft tissue injury from a rear-end collision. He wants to handle this himself, and I just can't really advise him on this.

[rockaction 23,230]

Attorneys practicing in Arizona (looking at you, Zow):

I need to know whether anyone puts out an Eason's-type book of damage awards for Arizona. I have a friend who lives there I'm trying to point in the right direction regarding a soft-tissue injury in a car accident, and I just have no sense of what's a reasonable award for a 6-month treatment soft tissue injury from a rear-end collision. He wants to handle this himself, and I just can't really advise him on this.

####, really?

[Henry Ford 60,520]

Attorneys practicing in Arizona (looking at you, Zow):

I need to know whether anyone puts out an Eason's-type book of damage awards for Arizona. I have a friend who lives there I'm trying to point in the right direction regarding a soft-tissue injury in a car accident, and I just have no sense of what's a reasonable award for a 6-month treatment soft tissue injury from a rear-end collision. He wants to handle this himself, and I just can't really advise him on this.

####, really?

What?

[rockaction 23,230]

Attorneys practicing in Arizona (looking at you, Zow):

I need to know whether anyone puts out an Eason's-type book of damage awards for Arizona. I have a friend who lives there I'm trying to point in the right direction regarding a soft-tissue injury in a car accident, and I just have no sense of what's a reasonable award for a 6-month treatment soft tissue injury from a rear-end collision. He wants to handle this himself, and I just can't really advise him on this.

####, really?

What?

Don't worry. http://www.grammarbook.com/numbers/numbers.asp But thanks.

Policies and philosophies vary from medium to medium. The two most influential guidebooks for publishers, editors, and writers, the Associated Press Stylebook and the Chicago Manual of Style, have different approaches. The first recommends spelling out the numbers one through nine and using figures thereafter; Chicago recommends spelling out the numbers one through ninety-nine and using figures thereafter.

Edited October 3, 2014 by rockaction

[rockaction 23,230]

Where did you go, Hanky??

[Henry Ford 60,520]

Where did you go, Hanky??

I'm here. Just working.

[rockaction 23,230]

Where did you go, Hanky??

I'm here. Just working.

So how do you mess that up after years of blue booking?

[Henry Ford 60,520]

Where did you go, Hanky??

I'm here. Just working.

So how do you mess that up after years of blue booking?

Interesting question when you bring up legal writing.

(although not that interesting, given that the Blue Book is a system of citation, not style)

Edited October 3, 2014 by Henry Ford

[rockaction 23,230]

Where did you go, Hanky??

I'm here. Just working.

So how do you mess that up after years of blue booking?

Interesting question when you bring up legal writing.

Nope. Never. Would have been flunked.

[Henry Ford 60,520]

Where did you go, Hanky??

I'm here. Just working.

So how do you mess that up after years of blue booking?

Interesting question when you bring up legal writing.

Nope. Never. Would have been flunked.

Well, now that we've established that - any thoughts on an Eason's style book in Arizona?

[Henry Ford 60,520]

And if you're ever interested in learning AP style:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCQQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwp.vcu.edu%2Fdatajournalism%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fsites%2F2205%2F2013%2F06%2FAP-style-at-a-glance-numerals.doc&ei=ixovVKC6NMKnyATR2YGACA&usg=AFQjCNGiM-W_q03kj8cu8tWIJhNi3fxu4w&bvm=bv.76802529,d.cGU

Always use figures for: Act and scene numbers … Ages … Aircraft … Betting odds … Channels (TV) … Chapters … Course numbers … Court decisions … Dates … Decades … Dimensions … Highways … House numbers in addresses … Money … No. 1 (and similar rankings) ... Page numbers … Percentages … Phone numbers … Ratios … Room numbers … Serial numbers … Sizes … Speeds … Sports … Temperatures … Times … Vote tabulations … Weights

6-month-old puppy

Edited October 3, 2014 by Henry Ford

[rockaction 23,230]

And if you're ever interested in learning AP style:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCQQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwp.vcu.edu%2Fdatajournalism%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fsites%2F2205%2F2013%2F06%2FAP-style-at-a-glance-numerals.doc&ei=ixovVKC6NMKnyATR2YGACA&usg=AFQjCNGiM-W_q03kj8cu8tWIJhNi3fxu4w&bvm=bv.76802529,d.cGU

Always use figures for: Act and scene numbers … Ages … Aircraft … Betting odds … Channels (TV) … Chapters … Course numbers … Court decisions … Dates … Decades … Dimensions … Highways … House numbers in addresses … Money … No. 1 (and similar rankings) ... Page numbers … Percentages … Phone numbers … Ratios … Room numbers … Serial numbers … Sizes … Speeds … Sports … Temperatures … Times … Vote tabulations … Weights

6-month-old puppy

Not an age, bro. A treatment.

[Henry Ford 60,520]

And if you're ever interested in learning AP style:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCQQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwp.vcu.edu%2Fdatajournalism%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fsites%2F2205%2F2013%2F06%2FAP-style-at-a-glance-numerals.doc&ei=ixovVKC6NMKnyATR2YGACA&usg=AFQjCNGiM-W_q03kj8cu8tWIJhNi3fxu4w&bvm=bv.76802529,d.cGU

Always use figures for: Act and scene numbers … Ages … Aircraft … Betting odds … Channels (TV) … Chapters … Course numbers … Court decisions … Dates … Decades … Dimensions … Highways … House numbers in addresses … Money … No. 1 (and similar rankings) ... Page numbers … Percentages … Phone numbers … Ratios … Room numbers … Serial numbers … Sizes … Speeds … Sports … Temperatures … Times … Vote tabulations … Weights

6-month-old puppy

Not an age, bro. A treatment.

Have fun with that.

[rockaction 23,230]

And if you're ever interested in learning AP style:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCQQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwp.vcu.edu%2Fdatajournalism%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fsites%2F2205%2F2013%2F06%2FAP-style-at-a-glance-numerals.doc&ei=ixovVKC6NMKnyATR2YGACA&usg=AFQjCNGiM-W_q03kj8cu8tWIJhNi3fxu4w&bvm=bv.76802529,d.cGU

Always use figures for: Act and scene numbers … Ages … Aircraft … Betting odds … Channels (TV) … Chapters … Course numbers … Court decisions … Dates … Decades … Dimensions … Highways … House numbers in addresses … Money … No. 1 (and similar rankings) ... Page numbers … Percentages … Phone numbers … Ratios … Room numbers … Serial numbers … Sizes … Speeds … Sports … Temperatures … Times … Vote tabulations … Weights

6-month-old puppy

Not an age, bro. A treatment.

Have fun with that.

That's what you've got after you bolded it? That's an age?

Pshaw.

Well, love you...

[krista4 23,895]

This thread has taken an annoyingly niggling turn, which is amazing considering it's a lawyer thread.

[Henry Ford 60,520]

And if you're ever interested in learning AP style:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCQQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwp.vcu.edu%2Fdatajournalism%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fsites%2F2205%2F2013%2F06%2FAP-style-at-a-glance-numerals.doc&ei=ixovVKC6NMKnyATR2YGACA&usg=AFQjCNGiM-W_q03kj8cu8tWIJhNi3fxu4w&bvm=bv.76802529,d.cGU

Always use figures for: Act and scene numbers … Ages … Aircraft … Betting odds … Channels (TV) … Chapters … Course numbers … Court decisions … Dates … Decades … Dimensions … Highways … House numbers in addresses … Money … No. 1 (and similar rankings) ... Page numbers … Percentages … Phone numbers … Ratios … Room numbers … Serial numbers … Sizes … Speeds … Sports … Temperatures … Times … Vote tabulations … Weights

6-month-old puppy

Not an age, bro. A treatment.

Have fun with that.

That's what you've got after you bolded it? That's an age?

Pshaw.

Well, love you...

Literally thousands of scholars know you're wrong.

Example:

http://diabetes.diabetesjournals.org/content/60/2/477.full.pdf

subjects were re-evaluated and then offered open-label metformin

for a second 6-month treatment period with continued monthly visits

Edited October 3, 2014 by Henry Ford

[rockaction 23,230]

This thread has taken an annoyingly niggling turn, which is amazing considering it's a lawyer thread.

It took an annoyingly niggling turn in the SP, krista4. Pardon me. :bowswithhat:

[Henry Ford 60,520]

This thread has taken an annoyingly niggling turn, which is amazing considering it's a lawyer thread.

It took an annoyingly niggling turn in the SP, krista4. Pardon me. :bowswithhat:

It would be easier to take if you weren't wrong all the time.

[Henry Ford 60,520]

Also, I have no idea what I could possibly have posted in the Shark Pool that has you riled up.

[rockaction 23,230]

And if you're ever interested in learning AP style:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCQQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwp.vcu.edu%2Fdatajournalism%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fsites%2F2205%2F2013%2F06%2FAP-style-at-a-glance-numerals.doc&ei=ixovVKC6NMKnyATR2YGACA&usg=AFQjCNGiM-W_q03kj8cu8tWIJhNi3fxu4w&bvm=bv.76802529,d.cGU

Always use figures for: Act and scene numbers … Ages … Aircraft … Betting odds … Channels (TV) … Chapters … Course numbers … Court decisions … Dates … Decades … Dimensions … Highways … House numbers in addresses … Money … No. 1 (and similar rankings) ... Page numbers … Percentages … Phone numbers … Ratios … Room numbers … Serial numbers … Sizes … Speeds … Sports … Temperatures … Times … Vote tabulations … Weights

6-month-old puppy

Not an age, bro. A treatment.

Have fun with that.

That's what you've got after you bolded it? That's an age?

Pshaw.

Well, love you...

Literally thousands of scholars know you're wrong.

Example:

http://diabetes.diabetesjournals.org/content/60/2/477.full.pdf

subjects were re-evaluated and then offered open-label metformin

for a second 6-month treatment period with continued monthly visits

Forget it: Chicago Manual Of Style

7.24: Possessive with genitive

... The genitive here implies of. in three days’ time. an hour’s delay (or a one-hour

delay). six months’ leave of absence (or a six-month leave of absence)

Edited October 3, 2014 by rockaction

[rockaction 23,230]

This thread has taken an annoyingly niggling turn, which is amazing considering it's a lawyer thread.

It took an annoyingly niggling turn in the SP, krista4. Pardon me. :bowswithhat:

It would be easier to take if you weren't wrong all the time.

Awesome.

[Henry Ford 60,520]

And if you're ever interested in learning AP style:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCQQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwp.vcu.edu%2Fdatajournalism%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fsites%2F2205%2F2013%2F06%2FAP-style-at-a-glance-numerals.doc&ei=ixovVKC6NMKnyATR2YGACA&usg=AFQjCNGiM-W_q03kj8cu8tWIJhNi3fxu4w&bvm=bv.76802529,d.cGU

Always use figures for: Act and scene numbers … Ages … Aircraft … Betting odds … Channels (TV) … Chapters … Course numbers … Court decisions … Dates … Decades … Dimensions … Highways … House numbers in addresses … Money … No. 1 (and similar rankings) ... Page numbers … Percentages … Phone numbers … Ratios … Room numbers … Serial numbers … Sizes … Speeds … Sports … Temperatures … Times … Vote tabulations … Weights

6-month-old puppy

Not an age, bro. A treatment.

Have fun with that.

That's what you've got after you bolded it? That's an age?

Pshaw.

Well, love you...

Literally thousands of scholars know you're wrong.

Example:

http://diabetes.diabetesjournals.org/content/60/2/477.full.pdf

subjects were re-evaluated and then offered open-label metformin

for a second 6-month treatment period with continued monthly visits

Forget it:

7.24: Possessive with genitive

... The genitive here implies of. in three days’ time. an hour’s delay (or a one-hour

delay). six months’ leave of absence (or a six-month leave of absence)

It's a good thing I don't use the Chicago Manual of Style for my footballguys posts. Boy would there be egg on my face.

[rockaction 23,230]

And if you're ever interested in learning AP style:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCQQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwp.vcu.edu%2Fdatajournalism%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fsites%2F2205%2F2013%2F06%2FAP-style-at-a-glance-numerals.doc&ei=ixovVKC6NMKnyATR2YGACA&usg=AFQjCNGiM-W_q03kj8cu8tWIJhNi3fxu4w&bvm=bv.76802529,d.cGU

Always use figures for: Act and scene numbers … Ages … Aircraft … Betting odds … Channels (TV) … Chapters … Course numbers … Court decisions … Dates … Decades … Dimensions … Highways … House numbers in addresses … Money … No. 1 (and similar rankings) ... Page numbers … Percentages … Phone numbers … Ratios … Room numbers … Serial numbers … Sizes … Speeds … Sports … Temperatures … Times … Vote tabulations … Weights

6-month-old puppy

Not an age, bro. A treatment.

Have fun with that.

That's what you've got after you bolded it? That's an age?

Pshaw.

Well, love you...

Literally thousands of scholars know you're wrong.

Example:

http://diabetes.diabetesjournals.org/content/60/2/477.full.pdf

subjects were re-evaluated and then offered open-label metformin

for a second 6-month treatment period with continued monthly visits

Forget it:

7.24: Possessive with genitive

... The genitive here implies of. in three days’ time. an hour’s delay (or a one-hour

delay). six months’ leave of absence (or a six-month leave of absence)

It's a good thing I don't use the Chicago Manual of Style for my footballguys posts. Boy would there be egg on my face.

I would gamble on Strunk, too.

[krista4 23,895]

This thread has taken an annoyingly niggling turn, which is amazing considering it's a lawyer thread.

It took an annoyingly niggling turn in the SP, krista4. Pardon me. :bowswithhat:

Ah, didn't know there was a backstory. It appears HF didn't know, either. I suppose we've had worse stuff posted in this thread. The backstory would be more interesting, though.

[T Bell 1,561]

I have always hated writing style snobs. Honestly, go fv[k yourselves.

[Henry Ford 60,520]

This thread has taken an annoyingly niggling turn, which is amazing considering it's a lawyer thread.

It took an annoyingly niggling turn in the SP, krista4. Pardon me. :bowswithhat:

Ah, didn't know there was a backstory. It appears HF didn't know, either. I suppose we've had worse stuff posted in this thread. The backstory would be more interesting, though.

I assumed he was upset about the thread where northerners were arguing that southerners are uneducated hicks. I spent quite some time trying to teach him basic grammar in that thread. It wasn't in the Shark Pool, though, so unless he's wrong again, he's not referring to that.

[krista4 23,895]

This thread has taken an annoyingly niggling turn, which is amazing considering it's a lawyer thread.

It took an annoyingly niggling turn in the SP, krista4. Pardon me. :bowswithhat:

Ah, didn't know there was a backstory. It appears HF didn't know, either. I suppose we've had worse stuff posted in this thread. The backstory would be more interesting, though.

I assumed he was upset about the thread where northerners were arguing that southerners are uneducated hicks. I spent quite some time trying to teach him basic grammar in that thread. It wasn't in the Shark Pool, though, so unless he's wrong again, he's not referring to that.

Oh, OK. I was wrong; that is not more interesting.

[rockaction 23,230]

This thread has taken an annoyingly niggling turn, which is amazing considering it's a lawyer thread.

It took an annoyingly niggling turn in the SP, krista4. Pardon me. :bowswithhat:

Ah, didn't know there was a backstory. It appears HF didn't know, either. I suppose we've had worse stuff posted in this thread. The backstory would be more interesting, though.

Somebody trolled with what seemed like a law exam guised in the form of an innocent question. Perhaps I was being sensitive. Perhaps not.

This is the thread. http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=716582

[rockaction 23,230]

This thread has taken an annoyingly niggling turn, which is amazing considering it's a lawyer thread.

It took an annoyingly niggling turn in the SP, krista4. Pardon me. :bowswithhat:

Ah, didn't know there was a backstory. It appears HF didn't know, either. I suppose we've had worse stuff posted in this thread. The backstory would be more interesting, though.

I assumed he was upset about the thread where northerners were arguing that southerners are uneducated hicks. I spent quite some time trying to teach him basic grammar in that thread. It wasn't in the Shark Pool, though, so unless he's wrong again, he's not referring to that.

Wait, what? You're more than welcome to point me to that. I don't think I've ever said anything bad about the South unless it's ironic. I've always wanted to visit NO, and loved Charleston and Savannah. I don't think that makes any sense. You've got me confused, Henry, unless I was ill-tempered. It's possible, but I doubt it.

*eta Crap, I like the Saints, and try to watch them whenever I can. I'm no Northern snob. My first college girlfriend (and almost-wife) was from Tennessee

Edited October 3, 2014 by rockaction

[T Bell 1,561]

This thread has taken an annoyingly niggling turn, which is amazing considering it's a lawyer thread.

It took an annoyingly niggling turn in the SP, krista4. Pardon me. :bowswithhat:

Ah, didn't know there was a backstory. It appears HF didn't know, either. I suppose we've had worse stuff posted in this thread. The backstory would be more interesting, though.

Somebody trolled with what seemed like a law exam guised in the form of an innocent question. Perhaps I was being sensitive. Perhaps not.

This is the thread. http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=716582

And from this you've concluded that Henry Ford was Hoolio or whateverthehell the OP's name was?

[Henry Ford 60,520]

This thread has taken an annoyingly niggling turn, which is amazing considering it's a lawyer thread.

It took an annoyingly niggling turn in the SP, krista4. Pardon me. :bowswithhat:

Ah, didn't know there was a backstory. It appears HF didn't know, either. I suppose we've had worse stuff posted in this thread. The backstory would be more interesting, though.

I assumed he was upset about the thread where northerners were arguing that southerners are uneducated hicks. I spent quite some time trying to teach him basic grammar in that thread. It wasn't in the Shark Pool, though, so unless he's wrong again, he's not referring to that.

Wait, what? You're more than welcome to point me to that. I don't think I've ever said anything bad about the South unless it's ironic. I've always wanted to visit NO, and loved Charleston and Savannah. I don't think that makes any sense. You've got me confused, Henry, unless I was ill-tempered. It's possible, but I doubt it.

*eta Crap, I like the Saints, and try to watch them whenever I can. I'm no Northern snob. My first college girlfriend (and almost-wife) was from Tennessee

Well, then, la-dee-dah. Sounds like I'm wrong this time. Sorry. Who was that?

Oh, and the thread you linked to - I have no idea who that is, and I haven't posted in it. So... what's your problem with me again?

[rockaction 23,230]

This thread has taken an annoyingly niggling turn, which is amazing considering it's a lawyer thread.

It took an annoyingly niggling turn in the SP, krista4. Pardon me. :bowswithhat:

Ah, didn't know there was a backstory. It appears HF didn't know, either. I suppose we've had worse stuff posted in this thread. The backstory would be more interesting, though.

Somebody trolled with what seemed like a law exam guised in the form of an innocent question. Perhaps I was being sensitive. Perhaps not.

This is the thread. http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=716582

And from this you've concluded that Henry Ford was Hoolio or whateverthehell the OP's name was?

Dear God, no. I've been seeing a lot of stylistic tics in some people's writing, that's all. Not HF's. Guess I wandered into the wrong thread.

[Henry Ford 60,520]

I'm going to be out of the country for about a week. Would someone please get this all worked out before I get back?

[krista4 23,895]

I'm really confused. Clearly I need to start drinking.

[rockaction 23,230]

This thread has taken an annoyingly niggling turn, which is amazing considering it's a lawyer thread.

It took an annoyingly niggling turn in the SP, krista4. Pardon me. :bowswithhat:

Ah, didn't know there was a backstory. It appears HF didn't know, either. I suppose we've had worse stuff posted in this thread. The backstory would be more interesting, though.

I assumed he was upset about the thread where northerners were arguing that southerners are uneducated hicks. I spent quite some time trying to teach him basic grammar in that thread. It wasn't in the Shark Pool, though, so unless he's wrong again, he's not referring to that.

Wait, what? You're more than welcome to point me to that. I don't think I've ever said anything bad about the South unless it's ironic. I've always wanted to visit NO, and loved Charleston and Savannah. I don't think that makes any sense. You've got me confused, Henry, unless I was ill-tempered. It's possible, but I doubt it.

*eta Crap, I like the Saints, and try to watch them whenever I can. I'm no Northern snob. My first college girlfriend (and almost-wife) was from Tennessee

Well, then, la-dee-dah. Sounds like I'm wrong this time. Sorry. Who was that?

Oh, and the thread you linked to - I have no idea who that is, and I haven't posted in it. So... what's your problem with me again?

Nothing, Henry. Really. Just hyped on a little bit of a stylistic thing, and thought a resident lawyer had to write what was in that thread.

But I've been trolled enough. krista4, yes you should. Be a great antidote to my quibble. Peace, guys. Thanks for your time.

Edited October 3, 2014 by rockaction

[Henry Ford 60,520]

I'm so confused.

Anyone have a cool lawyer story to tell?

I drove two hours today to go to a hearing that got continued as soon as I showed up because the judge hadn't had time to read anything.

Edited October 3, 2014 by Henry Ford

[Instinctive 489]

Is 1600 hours a lot of billables? For a year? (Skadden's requirement, according to partner I had lunch with today). He seems to think it is very low compared to other firms.

How much actual work translates to that?

[fatguyinalittlecoat 11,313]

Skadden is not generally regarded as a "lifestyle" firm, to the extent that even exists.

[T Bell 1,561]

I'm so confused.

Anyone have a cool lawyer story to tell?

I drove two hours today to go to a hearing that got continued as soon as I showed up because the judge hadn't had time to read anything.

Do you still get to bill on this?

Basically, yes. He did his job, and this is on the court, so you chalk it up to the cost of doing business.

If you're dealing with a smaller client, maybe you cut them a break on the fees as a courtesy but you don't "owe" it to them to do so.

[T Bell 1,561]

Is 1600 hours a lot of billables? For a year? (Skadden's requirement, according to partner I had lunch with today). He seems to think it is very low compared to other firms.

How much actual work translates to that?

No, it's not. That said, that number can mean some different things. For example, Skadden may be a "white glove" firm that wants associates to do pro bono work, so that number might be their billing to actual paying clients, while they expect a certain number of additional hours for the pro bono, work on committees (big firms love committees), client development, etc.

The benchmark in my experience for billables at insurance defense firms is typically around 1800-1900 hours, which typically works out to around 8 hours per work day, once you've accounted for holidays and vacations. Some firms demand more, or simply indicate you don't qualify for a bonus unless you hit the benchmark first.

If you're an absolute grinder as a biller in a high volume insurance defense firm, however, hitting 2400+ (200+/month) is pretty easily done; this works out to 9+ hours per day. The true maniacs can hit 3000. I can bill at that level for a month or two, especially if I'm in trial, but it really wears me out and I usually hit a slump right after that.

Edited October 3, 2014 by T Bell

[Henry Ford 60,520]

I'm so confused.

Anyone have a cool lawyer story to tell?

I drove two hours today to go to a hearing that got continued as soon as I showed up because the judge hadn't had time to read anything.

Do you still get to bill on this?

I'm working on contingency.

[krista4 23,895]

Is 1600 hours a lot of billables? For a year? (Skadden's requirement, according to partner I had lunch with today). He seems to think it is very low compared to other firms.

How much actual work translates to that?

Extremely low, and as a former Skadden attorney, I'm surprised to hear it. We didn't have a minimum when I was there eons ago, but corporate associates averaged 2400ish at that time.

[T Bell 1,561]

Is 1600 hours a lot of billables? For a year? (Skadden's requirement, according to partner I had lunch with today). He seems to think it is very low compared to other firms.

How much actual work translates to that?

Extremely low, and as a former Skadden attorney, I'm surprised to hear it. We didn't have a minimum when I was there eons ago, but corporate associates averaged 2400ish at that time.

There are some firms that have part time positions - maybe this is the explanation here?

[T Bell 1,561]

I'm so confused.

Anyone have a cool lawyer story to tell?

I drove two hours today to go to a hearing that got continued as soon as I showed up because the judge hadn't had time to read anything.

Do you still get to bill on this?

I'm working on contingency.

Well that blows.