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Yeah dude I don't remember #### from property.

I didn't think I would have to, but one of my first cases in private practice was a multi million dollar dispute involving covenants running with the land. I was frequently consulting my 1L outline for a while.

My property professor was old school and would call on 1 person to be on call for the entire lecture. When you got called on you had to close your laptop for the duration. He would do his best to discover what you weren't prepared to discuss and would then stay on that topic until you were mortally embarrassed. Many people cried. It was traumatic.

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I don't know if there's a real pinnacle to this profession. Some times it really seems like there isn't one. But I do now know that when you're standing there waiting and hoping for two words instead

Made partner today. 

The managing partners of the small plaintiff firm I work for called me in for a meeting today and informed me they'll be making me an offer this summer for a contract that calls for a gradual transfer

Yeah dude I don't remember #### from property.

I didn't think I would have to, but one of my first cases in private practice was a multi million dollar dispute involving covenants running with the land. I was frequently consulting my 1L outline for a while.

My property professor was old school and would call on 1 person to be on call for the entire lecture. When you got called on you had to close your laptop for the duration. He would do his best to discover what you weren't prepared to discuss and would then stay on that topic until you were mortally embarrassed. Many people cried. It was traumatic.

That's how my Con Law professor was. And then for the rest of the year you were the "expert" on the cases discussed on your day.

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I have absolutely no desire to study property right now. Final on Monday. One of the major downsides of this quarter system is an extra set of finals. Just thought I'd share.

Make sure to use the word "enfeoff" and the phrase "livery of seisin" and you're guaranteed at least an A-.

Honors grade for 30%, everyone else gets a Pass. Part of the reason I'm not super motivated. Between the GSB's non-disclosure of grades policy and SLS's H/P system...meh.

Pretty sure he was joking.

Yeah, I was kidding. However, that's a pretty awesome system.

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Need some advice on who to contact. Started my own company. Some friends that are in the same line of business have expressed leaving and coming to join me. They're currently based in KY and I'm based in TN. They all three work for the same company and signed the same noncompete. They also have a client who's contract is up at end of April they know will follow them to my company. Who do I talk to ensure we're not liable to being sued? Lawyer in TN or KY? Their noncompete specifically says states of Indiana, Kentucky and Florida and the client in particular is based in Illinois. There is also a clause about nonsolicitation of other employees.

Find a good local labor/employment lawyer and get a consultation. Most likely it will be the individuals being sued and not your company, but you'll want to understand the risks and potential costs involved in taking them on. In many cases, the new employer will indemnify new hires for legal costs associated with a non-compete defense. Don't assume anything. I recently reviewed non-competes for several employees of the same company, a sophisticated company with strong in-house counsel which I know to be represented by one of the largest firms in the country, and I am certain the non-competes are unenforceable in our state. That doesn't mean we won't have a lawsuit and some costs, potentially significant - that's still very possible.

Thanks Cletius, by local do you mean local to the old company where they work now (KY) or local to where my company is based (TN)

I meant local to you and your company. A short consultation with a good lawyer should give you a basic understanding of the circumstances you and the prospective employees face. I think most small businesses can benefit from establishing a good relationship with a general business lawyer - a small office that can handle basic corporate matters, employment issues, contracting, leases, commercial disputes, etc.

Have any recommendations of a general business lawyer like you've described in Nashville?

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Funny.

Anyone go to war with a co-op? I am taking a case to do just that because I'm a sucker for women in need and hate holier than thou neighborhood association type groups that think they are the jackbooted thugs we got rid of the in the 40's.

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Anyone have any experience in wrongful death , negligence suits in the medical field?

I stay away from med mal. I've been on the outside looking in on several wrongful deaths but try to stay away from them too. They can be god awful I need 3 bottles of bourbon to sleep type cases.

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Anyone have any experience in wrongful death , negligence suits in the medical field?

I stay away from med mal. I've been on the outside looking in on several wrongful deaths but try to stay away from them too. They can be god awful I need 3 bottles of bourbon to sleep type cases.
Its been a long process , the depostions were a nightmare. five hours of wanting to go over thet able

We are 4.5 years in with a court date next month . Our firm is asking for 2 days court prep. At least there is a light at the end of the tunnel

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Had a lawyer who knows I represent the client call the client at home last night at 6 pm and try to convince my client to postpone/continue a hearing on Friday (3 days before the hearing, which was asked for by his client). When client said who is this and lawyer identified himself, client said "why the hell are you calling me instead of my lawyer Todd Andrews?!" Lawyer responds: "I wanted to call you first but I'll call him next, I cant find his number" (we have spoken on the phone dozens of times, and exchanged dozens of emails with all of my firm contact info and even my cell phone number). Client says give me your number and Ill email it to my lawyer right now and have him call you, so attorney does, and then persists in asking whether the client would postpone the hearing.....Client: "Absolutely not."

Tore the guy a gaping new one and my client wants to file a bar complaint very badly. Fun stuff.

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Had a lawyer who knows I represent the client call the client at home last night at 6 pm and try to convince my client to postpone/continue a hearing on Friday (3 days before the hearing, which was asked for by his client). When client said who is this and lawyer identified himself, client said "why the hell are you calling me instead of my lawyer Todd Andrews?!" Lawyer responds: "I wanted to call you first but I'll call him next, I cant find his number" (we have spoken on the phone dozens of times, and exchanged dozens of emails with all of my firm contact info and even my cell phone number). Client says give me your number and Ill email it to my lawyer right now and have him call you, so attorney does, and then persists in asking whether the client would postpone the hearing.....Client: "Absolutely not."

Tore the guy a gaping new one and my client wants to file a bar complaint very badly. Fun stuff.

I'm pretty sure that's one of the things Lionel Hutz would categorize as a "bad lawyer thingy".

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Had a lawyer who knows I represent the client call the client at home last night at 6 pm and try to convince my client to postpone/continue a hearing on Friday (3 days before the hearing, which was asked for by his client). When client said who is this and lawyer identified himself, client said "why the hell are you calling me instead of my lawyer Todd Andrews?!" Lawyer responds: "I wanted to call you first but I'll call him next, I cant find his number" (we have spoken on the phone dozens of times, and exchanged dozens of emails with all of my firm contact info and even my cell phone number). Client says give me your number and Ill email it to my lawyer right now and have him call you, so attorney does, and then persists in asking whether the client would postpone the hearing.....Client: "Absolutely not."

Tore the guy a gaping new one and my client wants to file a bar complaint very badly. Fun stuff.

First words out of your mouth Friday: You're Honor, before we start I need to bring you up to speed on what has happened this week . . .

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Funny.

Anyone go to war with a co-op? I am taking a case to do just that because I'm a sucker for women in need and hate holier than thou neighborhood association type groups that think they are the jackbooted thugs we got rid of the in the 40's.

No legal advice to offer but I really dislike neighborhood associations so I'll be rooting for you.

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Had a lawyer who knows I represent the client call the client at home last night at 6 pm and try to convince my client to postpone/continue a hearing on Friday (3 days before the hearing, which was asked for by his client). When client said who is this and lawyer identified himself, client said "why the hell are you calling me instead of my lawyer Todd Andrews?!" Lawyer responds: "I wanted to call you first but I'll call him next, I cant find his number" (we have spoken on the phone dozens of times, and exchanged dozens of emails with all of my firm contact info and even my cell phone number). Client says give me your number and Ill email it to my lawyer right now and have him call you, so attorney does, and then persists in asking whether the client would postpone the hearing.....Client: "Absolutely not."

Tore the guy a gaping new one and my client wants to file a bar complaint very badly. Fun stuff.

First words out of your mouth Friday: You're Honor, before we start I need to bring you up to speed on what has happened this week . . .

I will, but I did much more--the dummy filed a motion to continue this morning, two days before the hearing his client asked for and my clients are traveling to attend. This afternoon I filed an opposition, most of which dealt with his call to my client, and I attached a letter from my client explaining how upset he was by the call (true) and citing the applicable rule of professional responsibility....

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Had a lawyer who knows I represent the client call the client at home last night at 6 pm and try to convince my client to postpone/continue a hearing on Friday (3 days before the hearing, which was asked for by his client). When client said who is this and lawyer identified himself, client said "why the hell are you calling me instead of my lawyer Todd Andrews?!" Lawyer responds: "I wanted to call you first but I'll call him next, I cant find his number" (we have spoken on the phone dozens of times, and exchanged dozens of emails with all of my firm contact info and even my cell phone number). Client says give me your number and Ill email it to my lawyer right now and have him call you, so attorney does, and then persists in asking whether the client would postpone the hearing.....Client: "Absolutely not."

Tore the guy a gaping new one and my client wants to file a bar complaint very badly. Fun stuff.

Wow. That's amazing. Glad that your client knew his stuff and did the right thing. I am ridiculously careful about this--often my business people don't understand and I have to explain to them all the time why I can't be on a "quick call" even just to listen, and in some situations I've been invited on a call and immediately drop off when I find out what's going on. There's just no excuse for this guy's behavior.

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Good luck Yankee.

I have an all day trial over custody in front of a new family law judge against a pro per. Pro per basically ignored every discovery rule, even after I got a court order requiring her to comply. I filed a motion to dismiss as the sole sanction (along with attorney's fees).

I'm curious to see how this judge handles it sibce the rules require a pro per litigant be treated the same as an attorney. Judges in my jurisdiction vary greatly on that issue (from basically letting them do whatever to treating them even more strictly as a sort of lesson that a person should always have an attorney).

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Had a lawyer who knows I represent the client call the client at home last night at 6 pm and try to convince my client to postpone/continue a hearing on Friday (3 days before the hearing, which was asked for by his client). When client said who is this and lawyer identified himself, client said "why the hell are you calling me instead of my lawyer Todd Andrews?!" Lawyer responds: "I wanted to call you first but I'll call him next, I cant find his number" (we have spoken on the phone dozens of times, and exchanged dozens of emails with all of my firm contact info and even my cell phone number). Client says give me your number and Ill email it to my lawyer right now and have him call you, so attorney does, and then persists in asking whether the client would postpone the hearing.....Client: "Absolutely not."

Tore the guy a gaping new one and my client wants to file a bar complaint very badly. Fun stuff.

First words out of your mouth Friday: You're Honor, before we start I need to bring you up to speed on what has happened this week . . .

I will, but I did much more--the dummy filed a motion to continue this morning, two days before the hearing his client asked for and my clients are traveling to attend. This afternoon I filed an opposition, most of which dealt with his call to my client, and I attached a letter from my client explaining how upset he was by the call (true) and citing the applicable rule of professional responsibility....

So, did the hearing happen as scheduled?

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Our local family law system is corrupt and broken. I've been helping a friend navigate through some issues for the last couple years. Most of this is caused by a single local lawyer who creates custody battles in every case in which he's involved; the incestuous family law community of bottom-feeding lawyers around here love it, because they make a ton of money in every case he's in. He has commissioners and guardian ad litems on his payroll. The actual judges hate him, but the way this system works he can get ridiculous orders written by commissioners and then it takes a judge to unwind them, but he creates momentum. Anyway, here's the summary:

Divorce was final 2 years ago. Custody 50/50, all community property divided--he keeps the house and everything in it, they divide up cars, retirement accounts, boat, rv, marital debt, etc. All done through mediation, reduced to a final decree. Before the divorce, my friend was on disability and had raised these kids basically himself...home every day, volunteered at the school, etc. She was a flight attendant and spent all of her time travelling and having affairs. She's literally the worst mother I've ever known. Once saw her not know that her kids needed lunch for school, so she put froot loops in a ziploc bag and called it good.

She is unhappy with the result of the divorce, so hires lawyer described above. He immediately creates a custody battle with accusations that my friend's daughter was molested by the son of a woman he was dating. Absolute lies (in fact, I was there at the time of the "incident", as was my daughter). Lawyer knew through previous divorce proceedings that this kid had emotional/developmental issues and was an easy target. They now claim that my friend should lose custody and that his home is unsafe.

They go through a full bench trial, where the judge finds there is absolutely no evidence to support the accusations, strikes the testimony of the counselor and GAL since both wrote reports without interviewing anyone except the ex-wife, and both were caught with false entries on their billing records. Judge admonishes ex-wife, tells her that if he had decided the divorce originally he would have awarded full custody to the father, and tells her he never wants to see her in his courtroom again.

Not satisfied, they then try to go after his house because he didn't pay her the share of equity she was awarded on time--he used the money to pay for lawyers in the custody trial. They try to evict him and force a sale; the judge again tells ex-wife she has no regard for the interests of the kids and he stays the eviction. He gets the money together, he pays her, house is now resolved.

Now, they say there is a dispute about community property and that she was supposed to get half. Bad attorney's commissioner buddy issues an order that it has to go to arbitration, despite the final decree. It's supposed to go to the original mediator, but they claim he won't take it, so it will be arbitrated by another guy on this attorney's payroll.

We contact the original mediator; he says he never said he wouldn't take it. They're now forced to arbitrate with him--he wrote the original settlement that became the decree. They try a bunch of different ways to get him out and substitute their hand-picked guy in, none work. Yesterday he wrote an order saying there was no controversy to be determined through arbitration since the final decree unequivocally stated that all property had been divided.

It took him 29 court hearings after his divorce was final to simply maintain 50/50 custody of his kids and keep the house and property he was awarded in the final decree. Cost him over $70,000 in attorney's fees, and his daughters had to go to counseling and one was subjected to a rape kit based on false accusations.

I don't know how any of you practice family law. It's disgusting.

tl; dr : family law sucks.

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I'm going to do a brief write up of my morning but the brief synopsis is that family law is just infuriating.

Sorry for your friend, fish. We have a local lawyer who isn't quite on that scale, but basically is so litigious and unafraid to make crazy claims that she indirectly makes other reasonable attorneys either shy away from her cases or be forced to charge a higher retainer b/c they know how difficult she will make things. It sucks.

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This guy was my ex-wife's first attorney...one of the reasons my divorce was so long and drawn out. He runs the same playbook in every case...false accusations, restraining orders, the works.

One of the problems here is that about 12-15 years ago a local police chief was abusing his wife...she kept trying to get help, but he was able to use his position to get her complaints ignored or thrown out...after this went on for a while, he ended up taking his family to a local supermarket parking lot where he killed his wife, kids, and himself.

Since then, you can get a restraining order here that gets you kicked out of your house with no contact with your kids for 30 days by filling out a form and checking some boxes...no evidence, no hearing. He does it in every case. With my friend, he wasn't hired at the beginning, so he had to modify his approach, but basically the same.

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What a horrible human being. Does he still pull that crap even if its not a contentious divorce?

He's never done a divorce that isn't contentious. The sad thing is before any of this ever happened, I told my friend to go consult with him and conflict him out. He said he didn't have the $350 for the consultation fee. I offered to loan him the money and I called and made him an appointment. He didn't go, because he was convinced that his wife would be reasonable.

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What a horrible human being. Does he still pull that crap even if its not a contentious divorce?

He's never done a divorce that isn't contentious. The sad thing is before any of this ever happened, I told my friend to go consult with him and conflict him out. He said he didn't have the $350 for the consultation fee. I offered to loan him the money and I called and made him an appointment. He didn't go, because he was convinced that his wife would be reasonable.

so many people consult with him just to conflict him out that he's raised his initial consultation fee to $900.

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What a horrible human being. Does he still pull that crap even if its not a contentious divorce?

He's never done a divorce that isn't contentious. The sad thing is before any of this ever happened, I told my friend to go consult with him and conflict him out. He said he didn't have the $350 for the consultation fee. I offered to loan him the money and I called and made him an appointment. He didn't go, because he was convinced that his wife would be reasonable.

so many people consult with him just to conflict him out that he's raised his initial consultation fee to $900.

Jesus. That sounds unethical.

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What a horrible human being. Does he still pull that crap even if its not a contentious divorce?

He's never done a divorce that isn't contentious. The sad thing is before any of this ever happened, I told my friend to go consult with him and conflict him out. He said he didn't have the $350 for the consultation fee. I offered to loan him the money and I called and made him an appointment. He didn't go, because he was convinced that his wife would be reasonable.

so many people consult with him just to conflict him out that he's raised his initial consultation fee to $900.

Jesus. That sounds unethical.

I don't think this guy is all that concerned with ethics. He's somehow managed to survive 5 separate bar complaints and a criminal investigation for sexually assaulting a client.

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Family law story of the day:

Head into hearing against pro per, who was the one who filed the initial petition to modify, but who hasn't complied with any, and I mean any, discovery requirement. I had filed the appropriate pre-trial motions, including getting a court order requiring production then a motion for sanction with proof of non-compliance and a request for dismissal of the initial petition to modify and attorney's fees. The Court, who is new to family law (former 20 year prosecutor who had spent his first two years on the bench handling only a criminal docket), is initially reluctant to grant the relief but upon my additional oral argument and the opposing party's lack of any good reason for non-compliance grants the motion to dismiss and, after getting over a further initial reluctance, awards attorney's fees. Under statute the opposing party can't file for any sort of modification of the custody order for at least one year -- which keeps my client with sole custody and opposing party with some visitation (AZ terms these concepts a bit differently, but that's essentially how it shakes out). Huge win, right?

Well, here's the catch-22. Client and opposing party had went to mediation prior to litigation and reached an agreement where opposing party got a lot more unsupervised visitation/parenting time than before to the point of almost 50/50 parenting time. Leading up to trial we get and prepare evidence that opposing party is essentially homeless and may be exposing the child to drug activity. Leading up to trial I had filed a motion to get temp orders to get my client some relief whereby she can more limit visitation, which the Court, per annoying custom, just punted to the same date and time as the modification trial. So, when the judge granted us our requested relief and dismissed the petition, by statute our temp orders hearing goes away too. This means the current custody order is the original order from a few years ago but with the parenting plan from the mediated agreement and we have to file our own petition to modify and essentially start the case over again. As my client realizes this I get a tongue lashing on the record because we don't get to present our evidence or get supervised visitation. A neutral observer would have thought we lost the hearing and I leave with an angry client -- all despite the fact that, legally speaking, I killed it.

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What a horrible human being. Does he still pull that crap even if its not a contentious divorce?

He's never done a divorce that isn't contentious. The sad thing is before any of this ever happened, I told my friend to go consult with him and conflict him out. He said he didn't have the $350 for the consultation fee. I offered to loan him the money and I called and made him an appointment. He didn't go, because he was convinced that his wife would be reasonable.

so many people consult with him just to conflict him out that he's raised his initial consultation fee to $900.

Jesus. That sounds unethical.

I don't think this guy is all that concerned with ethics. He's somehow managed to survive 5 separate bar complaints and a criminal investigation for sexually assaulting a client.

Good God. This is like a storyline from a bad movie.

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What a horrible human being. Does he still pull that crap even if its not a contentious divorce?

He's never done a divorce that isn't contentious. The sad thing is before any of this ever happened, I told my friend to go consult with him and conflict him out. He said he didn't have the $350 for the consultation fee. I offered to loan him the money and I called and made him an appointment. He didn't go, because he was convinced that his wife would be reasonable.

so many people consult with him just to conflict him out that he's raised his initial consultation fee to $900.

Jesus. That sounds unethical.

I don't think this guy is all that concerned with ethics. He's somehow managed to survive 5 separate bar complaints and a criminal investigation for sexually assaulting a client.

Good God. This is like a storyline from a bad movie.

He's married to a judge. That's one way he games the system. He knows every judge's trial and vacation schedule, so he purposely sets hearing dates that he knows will get kicked over to the commissioners, who are all either corrupt or stupid.

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What a horrible human being. Does he still pull that crap even if its not a contentious divorce?

He's never done a divorce that isn't contentious. The sad thing is before any of this ever happened, I told my friend to go consult with him and conflict him out. He said he didn't have the $350 for the consultation fee. I offered to loan him the money and I called and made him an appointment. He didn't go, because he was convinced that his wife would be reasonable.

so many people consult with him just to conflict him out that he's raised his initial consultation fee to $900.

Jesus. That sounds unethical.

I don't think this guy is all that concerned with ethics. He's somehow managed to survive 5 separate bar complaints and a criminal investigation for sexually assaulting a client.

Good God. This is like a storyline from a bad movie.

He's married to a judge. That's one way he games the system. He knows every judge's trial and vacation schedule, so he purposely sets hearing dates that he knows will get kicked over to the commissioners, who are all either corrupt or stupid.

I reiterate my previous statement.

Also, I hate hearing about this stuff. While the system isn't perfect, I believe our system has merit and I always try to dispel or dissuade anybody who thinks the system is either corrupt or ripe for conspiracy. For example if a judge makes a bad decision or a decision not in my client's favor, I'd like to thing the reason for doing so was at least rooted in law and fact and were not made due to any undue influences or outside pressures. Stories like this don't help that sentiment.

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Our local family law system is corrupt and broken. I've been helping a friend navigate through some issues for the last couple years. Most of this is caused by a single local lawyer who creates custody battles in every case in which he's involved; the incestuous family law community of bottom-feeding lawyers around here love it, because they make a ton of money in every case he's in. He has commissioners and guardian ad litems on his payroll. The actual judges hate him, but the way this system works he can get ridiculous orders written by commissioners and then it takes a judge to unwind them, but he creates momentum. Anyway, here's the summary:

Divorce was final 2 years ago. Custody 50/50, all community property divided--he keeps the house and everything in it, they divide up cars, retirement accounts, boat, rv, marital debt, etc. All done through mediation, reduced to a final decree. Before the divorce, my friend was on disability and had raised these kids basically himself...home every day, volunteered at the school, etc. She was a flight attendant and spent all of her time travelling and having affairs. She's literally the worst mother I've ever known. Once saw her not know that her kids needed lunch for school, so she put froot loops in a ziploc bag and called it good.

She is unhappy with the result of the divorce, so hires lawyer described above. He immediately creates a custody battle with accusations that my friend's daughter was molested by the son of a woman he was dating. Absolute lies (in fact, I was there at the time of the "incident", as was my daughter). Lawyer knew through previous divorce proceedings that this kid had emotional/developmental issues and was an easy target. They now claim that my friend should lose custody and that his home is unsafe.

They go through a full bench trial, where the judge finds there is absolutely no evidence to support the accusations, strikes the testimony of the counselor and GAL since both wrote reports without interviewing anyone except the ex-wife, and both were caught with false entries on their billing records. Judge admonishes ex-wife, tells her that if he had decided the divorce originally he would have awarded full custody to the father, and tells her he never wants to see her in his courtroom again.

Not satisfied, they then try to go after his house because he didn't pay her the share of equity she was awarded on time--he used the money to pay for lawyers in the custody trial. They try to evict him and force a sale; the judge again tells ex-wife she has no regard for the interests of the kids and he stays the eviction. He gets the money together, he pays her, house is now resolved.

Now, they say there is a dispute about community property and that she was supposed to get half. Bad attorney's commissioner buddy issues an order that it has to go to arbitration, despite the final decree. It's supposed to go to the original mediator, but they claim he won't take it, so it will be arbitrated by another guy on this attorney's payroll.

We contact the original mediator; he says he never said he wouldn't take it. They're now forced to arbitrate with him--he wrote the original settlement that became the decree. They try a bunch of different ways to get him out and substitute their hand-picked guy in, none work. Yesterday he wrote an order saying there was no controversy to be determined through arbitration since the final decree unequivocally stated that all property had been divided.

It took him 29 court hearings after his divorce was final to simply maintain 50/50 custody of his kids and keep the house and property he was awarded in the final decree. Cost him over $70,000 in attorney's fees, and his daughters had to go to counseling and one was subjected to a rape kit based on false accusations.

I don't know how any of you practice family law. It's disgusting.

tl; dr : family law sucks.

Good christ.

It is disgusting. I drink. And I do a crap ton of pro bono work to get some of the ick off of me. I just got my report from one agency for 2014 and I did 100 hours for them. And they aren't the only one Ido work for. I figure that when I have to answer to God and he sees that I'm a family lawyer I can whip out the pro bono cases and not get thrown into hell without at least a nice weekend looking through the pearly gates.

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Had a lawyer who knows I represent the client call the client at home last night at 6 pm and try to convince my client to postpone/continue a hearing on Friday (3 days before the hearing, which was asked for by his client). When client said who is this and lawyer identified himself, client said "why the hell are you calling me instead of my lawyer Todd Andrews?!" Lawyer responds: "I wanted to call you first but I'll call him next, I cant find his number" (we have spoken on the phone dozens of times, and exchanged dozens of emails with all of my firm contact info and even my cell phone number). Client says give me your number and Ill email it to my lawyer right now and have him call you, so attorney does, and then persists in asking whether the client would postpone the hearing.....Client: "Absolutely not."

Tore the guy a gaping new one and my client wants to file a bar complaint very badly. Fun stuff.

First words out of your mouth Friday: You're Honor, before we start I need to bring you up to speed on what has happened this week . . .

I will, but I did much more--the dummy filed a motion to continue this morning, two days before the hearing his client asked for and my clients are traveling to attend. This afternoon I filed an opposition, most of which dealt with his call to my client, and I attached a letter from my client explaining how upset he was by the call (true) and citing the applicable rule of professional responsibility....

So, did the hearing happen as scheduled?

Oh yeah, and the lawyer was very late because he doublebooked court appearances. It was a great start for our side, to say the least, when he finally showed up...

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I always try to dispel or dissuade anybody who thinks the system is either corrupt or ripe for conspiracy.

Oh man.

Our system is corrupt. It may be the least corrupt of all the systems out there, but it's still ripe for all sorts of abuse.

Give me a few more years and I'll probably reach this sentiment.

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Anyone do education law? Had an interesting hypo come up in a family case and I'm trying to piece through it. Parents going through divorce and its nasty so in that there are always ancillary things that happen whether you like it or not, or even if the lawyers aren't scum as is not always the case.

One of the parents informs the kid's private school teacher that parent believes the kid is suicidal. Other parent doesn't dispute. There are no medical documents to support, no counseling notes to work with and the kids doesn't nor has ever had specialized services. Teacher informs school admin who calls parents. Parents say, collectively, yeah he could be but we don't have anything to back that up at all. Neither teacher nor admin have ever seen anything that would lead to them to believe this is true.

What does school admin do now?

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To those who practice in DC, where are you barred, and do you have any recommendations for which bar I should take? I'll be practicing in DC, so I can take any bar I want. My practice area is almost entirely in DC, so there's no obvious secondary location where I'm likely to end up and no obvious choice of which exam to take. I'm leaning towards taking Maryland's exam now because it has a higher pass rate than Virginia's and I don't need to wear a suit to take it, but any and all recommendations are appreciated.

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To those who practice in DC, where are you barred, and do you have any recommendations for which bar I should take? I'll be practicing in DC, so I can take any bar I want. My practice area is almost entirely in DC, so there's no obvious secondary location where I'm likely to end up and no obvious choice of which exam to take. I'm leaning towards taking Maryland's exam now because it has a higher pass rate than Virginia's and I don't need to wear a suit to take it, but any and all recommendations are appreciated.

Maryland is a no brainer if you really aren't practicing outside DC because it's easier and there's no CLE requirement. In terms of broadening your reach if you are a litigator and do want to extend your practice, I'd take VA, because you can waive into the Maryland federal court bar really easily and the pro hac rules in Virginia suck.

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To those who practice in DC, where are you barred, and do you have any recommendations for which bar I should take? I'll be practicing in DC, so I can take any bar I want. My practice area is almost entirely in DC, so there's no obvious secondary location where I'm likely to end up and no obvious choice of which exam to take. I'm leaning towards taking Maryland's exam now because it has a higher pass rate than Virginia's and I don't need to wear a suit to take it, but any and all recommendations are appreciated.

I'm took the Virginia bar and waived into DC. I'm considering taking the Maryland practitioner's exam too. Your plan sounds reasonable. I will say that I probably wouldn't make a decision based on how much the bar exam experience sucks. I don't know how much I passed the Virginia exam by, but I passed it while expending pretty minimal effort beyond showing up for the BarBri courses. My wife killed herself studying and we both passed.

If I knew I would be in DC with a big firm, I'd be tempted to just take DC if only because they have no CLE requirement.

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To those who practice in DC, where are you barred, and do you have any recommendations for which bar I should take? I'll be practicing in DC, so I can take any bar I want. My practice area is almost entirely in DC, so there's no obvious secondary location where I'm likely to end up and no obvious choice of which exam to take. I'm leaning towards taking Maryland's exam now because it has a higher pass rate than Virginia's and I don't need to wear a suit to take it, but any and all recommendations are appreciated.

WTF? What state requires you to wear a suit?

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I took Virginia and waived into DC. I'm on associate status now in VA to avoid CLE.

ETA: For reasoning, I took VA because I figured if I ever worked outside DC, my next preference for location would be either Tysons or Richmond. So, I just decided to have that option.

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To those who practice in DC, where are you barred, and do you have any recommendations for which bar I should take? I'll be practicing in DC, so I can take any bar I want. My practice area is almost entirely in DC, so there's no obvious secondary location where I'm likely to end up and no obvious choice of which exam to take. I'm leaning towards taking Maryland's exam now because it has a higher pass rate than Virginia's and I don't need to wear a suit to take it, but any and all recommendations are appreciated.

WTF? What state requires you to wear a suit?

The same state that would emphasize the "high calibre" of professionalism needed to practice in it.

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