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I don't know if there's a real pinnacle to this profession. Some times it really seems like there isn't one. But I do now know that when you're standing there waiting and hoping for two words instead

Made partner today. 

The managing partners of the small plaintiff firm I work for called me in for a meeting today and informed me they'll be making me an offer this summer for a contract that calls for a gradual transfer

Virginia exam day is fun just to see who pulls a full Matlock and breaks out the seersucker for the exam.

njherdfan should take it in a powdered wig for shtick.

I am so agnostic about what exam I take that the comedy potential of wearing a powdered wig and using a quill and inkwell might be enough to sway my decision.

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To those who practice in DC, where are you barred, and do you have any recommendations for which bar I should take? I'll be practicing in DC, so I can take any bar I want. My practice area is almost entirely in DC, so there's no obvious secondary location where I'm likely to end up and no obvious choice of which exam to take. I'm leaning towards taking Maryland's exam now because it has a higher pass rate than Virginia's and I don't need to wear a suit to take it, but any and all recommendations are appreciated.

You have to wear a suit to take the Virgina bar?

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Virginia exam day is fun just to see who pulls a full Matlock and breaks out the seersucker for the exam.

njherdfan should take it in a powdered wig for shtick.

I am so agnostic about what exam I take that the comedy potential of wearing a powdered wig and using a quill and inkwell might be enough to sway my decision.

Is Bar/Bri cheaper for either state?

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I did Maryland and then waived in to DC, but I knew I would never live in the theocracy of Virginia and I didnt want any required CLE.

Maryland has no required CLE?

That's a definite plus.

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To those who practice in DC, where are you barred, and do you have any recommendations for which bar I should take? I'll be practicing in DC, so I can take any bar I want. My practice area is almost entirely in DC, so there's no obvious secondary location where I'm likely to end up and no obvious choice of which exam to take. I'm leaning towards taking Maryland's exam now because it has a higher pass rate than Virginia's and I don't need to wear a suit to take it, but any and all recommendations are appreciated.

You have to wear a suit to take the Virgina bar?

Yep

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Virginia exam day is fun just to see who pulls a full Matlock and breaks out the seersucker for the exam.

njherdfan should take it in a powdered wig for shtick.

I am so agnostic about what exam I take that the comedy potential of wearing a powdered wig and using a quill and inkwell might be enough to sway my decision.

Is Bar/Bri cheaper for either state?

Nope. Although I'm planning to use Themis because it's cheaper than Bar/Bri, but it's the same price for either state.

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Anyone do education law? Had an interesting hypo come up in a family case and I'm trying to piece through it. Parents going through divorce and its nasty so in that there are always ancillary things that happen whether you like it or not, or even if the lawyers aren't scum as is not always the case.

One of the parents informs the kid's private school teacher that parent believes the kid is suicidal. Other parent doesn't dispute. There are no medical documents to support, no counseling notes to work with and the kids doesn't nor has ever had specialized services. Teacher informs school admin who calls parents. Parents say, collectively, yeah he could be but we don't have anything to back that up at all. Neither teacher nor admin have ever seen anything that would lead to them to believe this is true.

What does school admin do now?

In Washington it's mandatory reporting to CPS.

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Oh, and I get to go into our broken family law court system again. I need to modify my decree/child support orders for mortgage financing purposes. Even though it's stipulated, it will still be a pain in the ###.

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To those who practice in DC, where are you barred, and do you have any recommendations for which bar I should take? I'll be practicing in DC, so I can take any bar I want. My practice area is almost entirely in DC, so there's no obvious secondary location where I'm likely to end up and no obvious choice of which exam to take. I'm leaning towards taking Maryland's exam now because it has a higher pass rate than Virginia's and I don't need to wear a suit to take it, but any and all recommendations are appreciated.

WTF? What state requires you to wear a suit?

The same state that would emphasize the "high calibre" of professionalism needed to practice in it.

:lmao: Jesus Christ

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To those who practice in DC, where are you barred, and do you have any recommendations for which bar I should take? I'll be practicing in DC, so I can take any bar I want. My practice area is almost entirely in DC, so there's no obvious secondary location where I'm likely to end up and no obvious choice of which exam to take. I'm leaning towards taking Maryland's exam now because it has a higher pass rate than Virginia's and I don't need to wear a suit to take it, but any and all recommendations are appreciated.

WTF? What state requires you to wear a suit?

The same state that would emphasize the "high calibre" of professionalism needed to practice in it.

:lmao: Jesus Christ

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Anyone have any experience in wrongful death , negligence suits in the medical field?

Lots.
From talking to our lawyer today we are in the settlement phase . Still have an April trial date , its been a long road here.
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Anyone have any experience in wrongful death , negligence suits in the medical field?

Lots.
From talking to our lawyer today we are in the settlement phase . Still have an April trial date , its been a long road here.

Sounds like you're in the trial phase, too.

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Anyone have any experience in wrongful death , negligence suits in the medical field?

Lots.
From talking to our lawyer today we are in the settlement phase . Still have an April trial date , its been a long road here.

Sounds like you're in the trial phase, too.
and its over . Really respect the work you guys do
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Awesome day in court today. A true picture of the valiant work we do.

Couldn't help the client at all can't stop the guy from doing what he is doing because nothing rises to the level of admissible evidence and he knows just enough to not get it rise to a point that it would be. Yup. Awesome fun. Love restaining order cases. Really deal with the salt of the earth. Good people, doing good work, for good. Words we use all the time in that courtroom.

Ugh. There isn't a bottle of Jack Daniels big enough to drown away this day and it's not even over yet.

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Awesome day in court today. A true picture of the valiant work we do.

Couldn't help the client at all can't stop the guy from doing what he is doing because nothing rises to the level of admissible evidence and he knows just enough to not get it rise to a point that it would be. Yup. Awesome fun. Love restaining order cases. Really deal with the salt of the earth. Good people, doing good work, for good. Words we use all the time in that courtroom.

Ugh. There isn't a bottle of Jack Daniels big enough to drown away this day and it's not even over yet.

:lmao:

I just had a pro per opposing party send me two videos where she is video-taping the parties' two year old daughter saying that she doesn't want to see Daddy/my client. It's clear she's coached the child and is literally physically holding the child still until the child says what she's coached her to say. I'm going to bury her with this, but it's ####### vile and I feel dirty for even being involved.

Oh, and this is on the heels of me getting her restraining order dismissed for a procedural defect and merely filing a motion to enforce the parties' custody order because she's been depriving my client of his parenting time for no good reason. So she's pissed off. They have essentially a 50/50 order with joint everything, and my client just wants to keep it that way. Because he's still in love with this crazy chick and is on video getting into a mutual physical fight with this woman's new boyfriend.

Yay family law!

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Anyone have any experience in wrongful death , negligence suits in the medical field?

Lots.
From talking to our lawyer today we are in the settlement phase . Still have an April trial date , its been a long road here.

Sounds like you're in the trial phase, too.
and its over . Really respect the work you guys do

Settled? Did it go well-ish?

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Anyone have any experience in wrongful death , negligence suits in the medical field?

Lots.
From talking to our lawyer today we are in the settlement phase . Still have an April trial date , its been a long road here.

Sounds like you're in the trial phase, too.
and its over . Really respect the work you guys do

Settled? Did it go well-ish?
We think so , at least well enough not to have to go to trial
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Awesome day in court today. A true picture of the valiant work we do.

Couldn't help the client at all can't stop the guy from doing what he is doing because nothing rises to the level of admissible evidence and he knows just enough to not get it rise to a point that it would be. Yup. Awesome fun. Love restaining order cases. Really deal with the salt of the earth. Good people, doing good work, for good. Words we use all the time in that courtroom.

Ugh. There isn't a bottle of Jack Daniels big enough to drown away this day and it's not even over yet.

:lmao:

I just had a pro per opposing party send me two videos where she is video-taping the parties' two year old daughter saying that she doesn't want to see Daddy/my client. It's clear she's coached the child and is literally physically holding the child still until the child says what she's coached her to say. I'm going to bury her with this, but it's ####### vile and I feel dirty for even being involved.

Oh, and this is on the heels of me getting her restraining order dismissed for a procedural defect and merely filing a motion to enforce the parties' custody order because she's been depriving my client of his parenting time for no good reason. So she's pissed off. They have essentially a 50/50 order with joint everything, and my client just wants to keep it that way. Because he's still in love with this crazy chick and is on video getting into a mutual physical fight with this woman's new boyfriend.

Yay family law!

Do they really call unrepresented folks "pro per" instead of "pro se" in your jurisdiction?

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NYC landlord-tenant anyone?

I did NY State landlord tenant for my 1L summer, but not in the city, so I know just enough to give bad advice.

Have a coworker whose building is vacated, but not destroyed due to the explosion.

Have not seen the lease, but I imagine it's boilerplate.

She's not rent-stabilized/rent-controlled. City does have a vacate order in place cured by building owner showing structural stability

I think this is going to just be a very expensive and painful lesson as to why it's a good idea to have an emergency fund, but was wondering if there was NYC law that I may be overlooking.

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NYC landlord-tenant anyone?

I did NY State landlord tenant for my 1L summer, but not in the city, so I know just enough to give bad advice.

Have a coworker whose building is vacated, but not destroyed due to the explosion.

Have not seen the lease, but I imagine it's boilerplate.

She's not rent-stabilized/rent-controlled. City does have a vacate order in place cured by building owner showing structural stability

I think this is going to just be a very expensive and painful lesson as to why it's a good idea to have an emergency fund, but was wondering if there was NYC law that I may be overlooking.

What is the question?

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NYC landlord-tenant anyone?

I did NY State landlord tenant for my 1L summer, but not in the city, so I know just enough to give bad advice.

Have a coworker whose building is vacated, but not destroyed due to the explosion.

Have not seen the lease, but I imagine it's boilerplate.

She's not rent-stabilized/rent-controlled. City does have a vacate order in place cured by building owner showing structural stability

I think this is going to just be a very expensive and painful lesson as to why it's a good idea to have an emergency fund, but was wondering if there was NYC law that I may be overlooking.

What is the question?

Are there NYC laws that create a duty of care for the City to tenants forced to vacate because of disaster or events beyond tenant's control?

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NYC landlord-tenant anyone?

I did NY State landlord tenant for my 1L summer, but not in the city, so I know just enough to give bad advice.

Have a coworker whose building is vacated, but not destroyed due to the explosion.

Have not seen the lease, but I imagine it's boilerplate.

She's not rent-stabilized/rent-controlled. City does have a vacate order in place cured by building owner showing structural stability

I think this is going to just be a very expensive and painful lesson as to why it's a good idea to have an emergency fund, but was wondering if there was NYC law that I may be overlooking.

What is the question?

Are there NYC laws that create a duty of care for the City to tenants forced to vacate because of disaster or events beyond tenant's control?

No experience in NYC but I can't imagine there is.

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NYC landlord-tenant anyone?

I did NY State landlord tenant for my 1L summer, but not in the city, so I know just enough to give bad advice.

Have a coworker whose building is vacated, but not destroyed due to the explosion.

Have not seen the lease, but I imagine it's boilerplate.

She's not rent-stabilized/rent-controlled. City does have a vacate order in place cured by building owner showing structural stability

I think this is going to just be a very expensive and painful lesson as to why it's a good idea to have an emergency fund, but was wondering if there was NYC law that I may be overlooking.

What is the question?

Are there NYC laws that create a duty of care for the City to tenants forced to vacate because of disaster or events beyond tenant's control?

No experience in NYC but I can't imagine there is.

The rent-stabilized/rent-controlled folks have a much different relationship with the city and "make out" comparatively.

I know that NYC eviction process is different than upstate. I was wondering if after 9/11, Sandy or other disasters anything had been put in place for the middle class.

(Total rant, but it's amazing the distinction between the Harlem and East Village explosion. City set aside 250K from the mayor's fund for Harlem, nothing for E Village. City guarantees rent-controlled payments for 12 months and will allow rent-controlled tenants to break lease. Not so for market-rate. Rent controlled/stabilized/subsidized is the suck)

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Awesome day in court today. A true picture of the valiant work we do.

Couldn't help the client at all can't stop the guy from doing what he is doing because nothing rises to the level of admissible evidence and he knows just enough to not get it rise to a point that it would be. Yup. Awesome fun. Love restaining order cases. Really deal with the salt of the earth. Good people, doing good work, for good. Words we use all the time in that courtroom.

Ugh. There isn't a bottle of Jack Daniels big enough to drown away this day and it's not even over yet.

:lmao:

I just had a pro per opposing party send me two videos where she is video-taping the parties' two year old daughter saying that she doesn't want to see Daddy/my client. It's clear she's coached the child and is literally physically holding the child still until the child says what she's coached her to say. I'm going to bury her with this, but it's ####### vile and I feel dirty for even being involved.

Oh, and this is on the heels of me getting her restraining order dismissed for a procedural defect and merely filing a motion to enforce the parties' custody order because she's been depriving my client of his parenting time for no good reason. So she's pissed off. They have essentially a 50/50 order with joint everything, and my client just wants to keep it that way. Because he's still in love with this crazy chick and is on video getting into a mutual physical fight with this woman's new boyfriend.

Yay family law!

Do they really call unrepresented folks "pro per" instead of "pro se" in your jurisdiction?

I've heard both, but we definitely use the former more. I always thought "pro se" denoted a federal case where "pro per" was a state case, but I don't really know. What I do know is that the bulk of the judges I'm in front of say "pro per" so that's what I'll use too.

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so I'm suddenly faced with the option of staying in big firm private practice or moving to the government (both are litigation positions). slightly more interested in the work the government job would involve, but this is really the age-old $ versus quality of life issue. Anyone else face a similar scenario and either loved or regreted their decision? A few years ago I probably would have taken the money no question but with a small child it's really tough.

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so I'm suddenly faced with the option of staying in big firm private practice or moving to the government (both are litigation positions). slightly more interested in the work the government job would involve, but this is really the age-old $ versus quality of life issue. Anyone else face a similar scenario and either loved or regreted their decision? A few years ago I probably would have taken the money no question but with a small child it's really tough.

I fall on the quality of life side. I cherish the time I have with my family. I could make more money if I stayed in the office more but the money isn't worth it. For me.

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so I'm suddenly faced with the option of staying in big firm private practice or moving to the government (both are litigation positions). slightly more interested in the work the government job would involve, but this is really the age-old $ versus quality of life issue. Anyone else face a similar scenario and either loved or regreted their decision? A few years ago I probably would have taken the money no question but with a small child it's really tough.

Not to pry, but what sort of hours and pay differential are we talking here?

We talking cutting your hours in half or just shaving like 5-10 hours a week off for a 50k+ pay cut?

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so I'm suddenly faced with the option of staying in big firm private practice or moving to the government (both are litigation positions). slightly more interested in the work the government job would involve, but this is really the age-old $ versus quality of life issue. Anyone else face a similar scenario and either loved or regreted their decision? A few years ago I probably would have taken the money no question but with a small child it's really tough.

Not to pry, but what sort of hours and pay differential are we talking here?

We talking cutting your hours in half or just shaving like 5-10 hours a week off for a 50k+ pay cut?

In my case, it's a difference between basically a 9-5 job and 2000 billable hours. Government pays decently but still about 1/3 less. It's a reasonable trade off but it's still tough to walk away from a higher $ number like that.

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so I'm suddenly faced with the option of staying in big firm private practice or moving to the government (both are litigation positions). slightly more interested in the work the government job would involve, but this is really the age-old $ versus quality of life issue. Anyone else face a similar scenario and either loved or regreted their decision? A few years ago I probably would have taken the money no question but with a small child it's really tough.

Not to pry, but what sort of hours and pay differential are we talking here?

We talking cutting your hours in half or just shaving like 5-10 hours a week off for a 50k+ pay cut?

In my case, it's a difference between basically a 9-5 job and 2000 billable hours. Government pays decently but still about 1/3 less. It's a reasonable trade off but it's still tough to walk away from a higher $ number like that.

Does moving to the government foreclose you going back to a law firm, possibly as a partner, in a few years?

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so I'm suddenly faced with the option of staying in big firm private practice or moving to the government (both are litigation positions). slightly more interested in the work the government job would involve, but this is really the age-old $ versus quality of life issue. Anyone else face a similar scenario and either loved or regreted their decision? A few years ago I probably would have taken the money no question but with a small child it's really tough.

Not to pry, but what sort of hours and pay differential are we talking here?

We talking cutting your hours in half or just shaving like 5-10 hours a week off for a 50k+ pay cut?

In my case, it's a difference between basically a 9-5 job and 2000 billable hours. Government pays decently but still about 1/3 less. It's a reasonable trade off but it's still tough to walk away from a higher $ number like that.

I went from private practice to gov't. Took around a $60k or so pay cut, and the cut in money made absolutely no difference in my life. Take the pay cut and work for the gov't. Important caveat: My first govt job was at the DOJ, and I actually worked MORE hours than at my firm. That sucked. My second gov't job was in-house counsel at one of the Departments (Agriculture/Interior/Treasury/Labor/etc.), and it was everything I wanted/needed.

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so I'm suddenly faced with the option of staying in big firm private practice or moving to the government (both are litigation positions). slightly more interested in the work the government job would involve, but this is really the age-old $ versus quality of life issue. Anyone else face a similar scenario and either loved or regreted their decision? A few years ago I probably would have taken the money no question but with a small child it's really tough.

Not to pry, but what sort of hours and pay differential are we talking here?

We talking cutting your hours in half or just shaving like 5-10 hours a week off for a 50k+ pay cut?

In my case, it's a difference between basically a 9-5 job and 2000 billable hours. Government pays decently but still about 1/3 less. It's a reasonable trade off but it's still tough to walk away from a higher $ number like that.

Does moving to the government foreclose you going back to a law firm, possibly as a partner, in a few years?

Not to speak for theCatch, but conventional wisdom is yes, that door is essentially closed. Perhaps not completely slammed shut, but it is generally hard to leave the private sector (in most cases giving up whatever client base you'd built), then rejoin years later when you are older and your network is most likely smaller. In my experience, it is very hard to motivate oneself to do the breakfasts, country clubs, conferences, charity events and other marketing bs if your career no longer depends on it. Inns of Court or my son's soccer game on a Tuesday night? If you're not marketing, there's not much contest there.

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You know commercial transactions for 7 figures where the lending bank set everything up for the deal in one specific way and then 3 days before the closing set forth conditions that make it a completely different deal and you have to drop everything and answer those conditions with no time to do it in the middle of tax season? Those deals?

Yeah I hate them.

And it's not like dropping everything is a piece of cake either. I have a dismissal motion denial, interlocutory appeal, motion to reconsider and potential federal removal issue all on the same case and my deadline to file something and pick which way I'm going to attack this thing first is........................ tomorrow.

I did however open up a solid and spectacular bottle of single barrel Jack last night and it definately is the perfect nightcap to this job. I need to get one for the office with a straw.

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You know commercial transactions for 7 figures where the lending bank set everything up for the deal in one specific way and then 3 days before the closing set forth conditions that make it a completely different deal and you have to drop everything and answer those conditions with no time to do it in the middle of tax season? Those deals?

Yeah I hate them.

And it's not like dropping everything is a piece of cake either. I have a dismissal motion denial, interlocutory appeal, motion to reconsider and potential federal removal issue all on the same case and my deadline to file something and pick which way I'm going to attack this thing first is........................ tomorrow.

I did however open up a solid and spectacular bottle of single barrel Jack last night and it definately is the perfect nightcap to this job. I need to get one for the office with a straw.

The worst is clients thinking that their matter is the only thing on your plate so time to drop everything for their self created crisis.

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O...M...F...G

I just had a knock down drag out argument with someone because they refused to acknowledge my credentials for a client because they said I didn't give them the right address. The problem as I ultimately found out? When I said the name of the town as "Anywhere Township" that was incorrect because this representative had it on the screen as..... and I kid you not....... truly not making this up........ seriously, I'm deadly serious.......... wait for it.......

Anywhere Twp.

I was expected to say Anywhere twip or however you pronounce that abbreviation FOR ****ING TOWNSHIP!

I'm going to so destroy that bottle of single barrel tonight. Poor thing is going to feel like whatever idiots thought it was a good idea to get into a boxing ring with Mike Tyson not named Buster Douglas.

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I just had a knock down drag out argument with someone because they refused to acknowledge my credentials for a client because they said I didn't give them the right address. The problem as I ultimately found out? When I said the name of the town as "Anywhere Township" that was incorrect because this representative had it on the screen as..... and I kid you not....... truly not making this up........ seriously, I'm deadly serious.......... wait for it.......

Anywhere Twp.

I was expected to say Anywhere twip or however you pronounce that abbreviation FOR ****ING TOWNSHIP!

I'm going to so destroy that bottle of single barrel tonight. Poor thing is going to feel like whatever idiots thought it was a good idea to get into a boxing ring with Mike Tyson not named Buster Douglas.

Did you also have to say your office is on Main St. and have to pronounce it as "Main Stuh"? Or Something Blvd as "Something Bluh-ved"?

Kinda would love to work this shtick into the rest of the proceedings. "As my client was on the New Jersey tuh-puk, he was approached by another vehicle coming from huh-wy 45, which was leaving a movie theater that had been showing 'Durrrrr Zhivago'"

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O...M...F...G

I just had a knock down drag out argument with someone because they refused to acknowledge my credentials for a client because they said I didn't give them the right address. The problem as I ultimately found out? When I said the name of the town as "Anywhere Township" that was incorrect because this representative had it on the screen as..... and I kid you not....... truly not making this up........ seriously, I'm deadly serious.......... wait for it.......

Anywhere Twp.

I was expected to say Anywhere twip or however you pronounce that abbreviation FOR ****ING TOWNSHIP!

I'm going to so destroy that bottle of single barrel tonight. Poor thing is going to feel like whatever idiots thought it was a good idea to get into a boxing ring with Mike Tyson not named Buster Douglas.

Shut up.

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so I'm suddenly faced with the option of staying in big firm private practice or moving to the government (both are litigation positions). slightly more interested in the work the government job would involve, but this is really the age-old $ versus quality of life issue. Anyone else face a similar scenario and either loved or regreted their decision? A few years ago I probably would have taken the money no question but with a small child it's really tough.

Not to pry, but what sort of hours and pay differential are we talking here?

We talking cutting your hours in half or just shaving like 5-10 hours a week off for a 50k+ pay cut?

In my case, it's a difference between basically a 9-5 job and 2000 billable hours. Government pays decently but still about 1/3 less. It's a reasonable trade off but it's still tough to walk away from a higher $ number like that.

Does moving to the government foreclose you going back to a law firm, possibly as a partner, in a few years?

Not to speak for theCatch, but conventional wisdom is yes, that door is essentially closed. Perhaps not completely slammed shut, but it is generally hard to leave the private sector (in most cases giving up whatever client base you'd built), then rejoin years later when you are older and your network is most likely smaller. In my experience, it is very hard to motivate oneself to do the breakfasts, country clubs, conferences, charity events and other marketing bs if your career no longer depends on it. Inns of Court or my son's soccer game on a Tuesday night? If you're not marketing, there's not much contest there.

Interesting.i was coming from a very DC-Centric perspective, because that's all I've experienced, and in a lot of fields that deal with government agencies extensively (communications, antitrust, government contracts etc.) a lot of the partners that I've met have experience at the relevant federal agency.

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so I'm suddenly faced with the option of staying in big firm private practice or moving to the government (both are litigation positions). slightly more interested in the work the government job would involve, but this is really the age-old $ versus quality of life issue. Anyone else face a similar scenario and either loved or regreted their decision? A few years ago I probably would have taken the money no question but with a small child it's really tough.

Not to pry, but what sort of hours and pay differential are we talking here?

We talking cutting your hours in half or just shaving like 5-10 hours a week off for a 50k+ pay cut?

In my case, it's a difference between basically a 9-5 job and 2000 billable hours. Government pays decently but still about 1/3 less. It's a reasonable trade off but it's still tough to walk away from a higher $ number like that.

With the preface that my experience is not necessarily typical, I did an extreme version of this in 2013 by taking a ~60% pay cut to leave my stressful, awful, 24/7 availability job for one where I pick and choose what I do, work from my couch, and have an almost stress-free work existence. I considered posting the $$ figure here instead of the % but didn't want to give so much info about my compensation. But as I'd been a lawyer for 21 years at that time with some of the largest law firms and corporations in the world, you can imagine that that 60% was a significant $ amount.

For me, it was the best work-related decision I've ever made, and I'm happier than I've been since...well, happier in my job than I've ever been. My biggest adjustment has been not been the money but instead adjusting to not being "in charge." This was absolutely the right decision for me, but I don't have kids or debt. Having kids, a mortgage, other debt might counsel a different answer, but I'd say most of us can make less money than we think and still be happy, or even happier. If what is being offered is still enough for you to lead a comfortable life, there's no doubt my advice would be to go for it.

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so I'm suddenly faced with the option of staying in big firm private practice or moving to the government (both are litigation positions). slightly more interested in the work the government job would involve, but this is really the age-old $ versus quality of life issue. Anyone else face a similar scenario and either loved or regreted their decision? A few years ago I probably would have taken the money no question but with a small child it's really tough.

Not to pry, but what sort of hours and pay differential are we talking here?

We talking cutting your hours in half or just shaving like 5-10 hours a week off for a 50k+ pay cut?

In my case, it's a difference between basically a 9-5 job and 2000 billable hours. Government pays decently but still about 1/3 less. It's a reasonable trade off but it's still tough to walk away from a higher $ number like that.

With the preface that my experience is not necessarily typical, I did an extreme version of this in 2013 by taking a ~60% pay cut to leave my stressful, awful, 24/7 availability job for one where I pick and choose what I do, work from my couch, and have an almost stress-free work existence. I considered posting the $$ figure here instead of the % but didn't want to give so much info about my compensation. But as I'd been a lawyer for 21 years at that time with some of the largest law firms and corporations in the world, you can imagine that that 60% was a significant $ amount.

For me, it was the best work-related decision I've ever made, and I'm happier than I've been since...well, happier in my job than I've ever been. This was absolutely the right decision for me, but I don't have kids or debt. Having kids, a mortgage, other debt might counsel a different answer, but I'd say most of us can make less money than we think and still be happy, or even happier. If what is being offered is still enough for you to lead a comfortable life, there's no doubt my advice would be to go for it.

Thanks for the responses. I think I've come around and am leaning in this direction.

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so I'm suddenly faced with the option of staying in big firm private practice or moving to the government (both are litigation positions). slightly more interested in the work the government job would involve, but this is really the age-old $ versus quality of life issue. Anyone else face a similar scenario and either loved or regreted their decision? A few years ago I probably would have taken the money no question but with a small child it's really tough.

Not to pry, but what sort of hours and pay differential are we talking here?

We talking cutting your hours in half or just shaving like 5-10 hours a week off for a 50k+ pay cut?

In my case, it's a difference between basically a 9-5 job and 2000 billable hours. Government pays decently but still about 1/3 less. It's a reasonable trade off but it's still tough to walk away from a higher $ number like that.

Does moving to the government foreclose you going back to a law firm, possibly as a partner, in a few years?

Not to speak for theCatch, but conventional wisdom is yes, that door is essentially closed. Perhaps not completely slammed shut, but it is generally hard to leave the private sector (in most cases giving up whatever client base you'd built), then rejoin years later when you are older and your network is most likely smaller. In my experience, it is very hard to motivate oneself to do the breakfasts, country clubs, conferences, charity events and other marketing bs if your career no longer depends on it. Inns of Court or my son's soccer game on a Tuesday night? If you're not marketing, there's not much contest there.

Interesting.i was coming from a very DC-Centric perspective, because that's all I've experienced, and in a lot of fields that deal with government agencies extensively (communications, antitrust, government contracts etc.) a lot of the partners that I've met have experience at the relevant federal agency.

That has been my experience in DC too. If you are litigating against the government in private practice it's a big deal to have worked on the other side. other practice areas maybe not so much.

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