Since you brought it up (roster poison), just as a refresher, you are in a total of one league? And in that one league, all teams are stacked. On this basis, you have concluded that it is a typical state of affairs for all dynasty teams to be stacked in most leagues, and that a potential low-end RB1 is roster poison?
Kind of a silly question, but why would you assume it is typical for all teams to be stacked, with no breadth of experience beyond one league? Multiple people in the thread have attempted to convey this. As far as I can tell, you have completely ignored this input from others, and continue to operate under the assumption that most leagues have all stacked rosters. In the five dynasty leagues I'm in, not one resembles this fundamental presupposition.
To me, that is the fatal flaw with your method. Clearly if you are mistaken in this assumption, just because he may be roster poison in your league, that may not be relevant if most dynasty leagues don't have all stacked rosters. That is the main reason your take comes off as a hatchet job, imo. You reel off multiple roster poison posts stating, roster poison, roster poison, roster poison, are periodically reminded other leagues may not be exactly like yours, reply, of course, I know that, than resume steam rolling over what could be a more nuanced discussion, and jamming the point down the thread's throat, roster poison, roster poison, roster poison.
You said you aren't gathering the data to say I told you so. But you re-entered the thread after week one saying nobody started him. Since there is no way you could possibly know this, it comes off like I told you so.
Let's cut to the chase (because I've already read this novel, everybody dies in the end). What does Hill need to do to not be roster poison? Are you jumbling data from 10-12-14-16 team leagues, some with start 2 RB, some with start 3 RB formats?
I'm going to do a parallel study of the RB you championed so vigorously, Devonta "Three Down Skill Set" Freeman, by RBBC situational analysis and points scored. He is in a RBBC, too, but a four headed one, instead of the CIN two way split. How did he do last week, 1-2 points? Sounds like Freeman is a better example of your roster poison concept.
* A relevant point neglected in this "study" cough/hatchet job/cough is where Hill was drafted in each league. But failure to appreciate that context (despite repeated attempts to explain that many didn't draft him in the first round, or before Freeman and Mason, but continuing to pound and pound and pound and pound and pound and pound and pound and pound and pound and pound that he isn't worth a first - sometimes in the same post
) is par for the course in this thread.
Banging the drum works both ways. I'm going to keep banging the drum, so nobody decides to not draft Hill based on a hatchet job with a fatally flawed "all rosters are stacked" presupposition formed from participation in one league. The roster poison shtick is chopped off at the knees by the extreme narrowness of its perspective.
** Another glaring inconsistency was when you broke down what "every team is stacked" actually meant. You said maybe three teams would actually be stacked at RB. By your definition, that leaves 11 teams that are stacked at other positions (in a 14 team league, such as I think you said you play in). Elsewhere, you said, several times in the thread, if teams were stacked at other positions, Hill wouldn't necessarily be a bad RB to have on a roster in that context. It sounds like BY YOUR OWN DEFINITION INFORMED BY THE ONE LEAGUE YOU PLAY IN, that leaves a majority of teams, being stacked at positions other than RB, for which he wouldn't necessarily be roster poison. In that context, what sense does it make to keep banging the roster poison drum, when it is inapplicable to the majority of teams, even by your definition? Seemingly more evidence of a hatchet job.
I'm not clear on what the "study" is intended to reveal. If teams start Hill and he scores like a RB2, is that "bad"? What is the composition of their rosters? What if he scored more than other options, and the team wins by the margin of victory provided by Hill's increased production over their next best startable option, does it still count as "bad"? What if he scores like a RB1, but isn't started that week, is that "bad"? But what if the other two options that were started did better? Is that still "bad"? On a lot of teams, Hill probably isn't one of the top two RBs on the roster, he might be third, fourth or even fifth. What exactly is the no start data telling you in that case? Even so called "stacked" teams at RB probably aren't going to have 4-5 elite RB1s. Unless a team does have 4-5 RB1s, why would a potential RB2 be roster poison for virtually ANY team. It isn't possible for 14 teams to all have 4-5 RB1s (that would be 56-70 RB1s). If a team already has 2-3-4 options at RB that are better ON PAPER, Hill could still be great depth early in his career, and be used in cases of unexpected underperformance by other RBs, injury, bye weeks, for favorable matchup purposes. Any one reason by itself maybe not that compelling, but in aggregate, having a potential RB2 that is 3-4-5 RBs deep in your stable, to plug in on any given week or longer stretches of the season for any of these needs, could be the difference between winning a championship or not for some teams (in other words, pretty far from roster poison). Not only do teams not typically have 4-5 elite #1s, but most leagues don't have a majority of teams with RB stables in which 2-3-4 RBs beyond the starters are all some combination of as young, and talented as Hill, or have a clear path to being a workhorse, feature RB in the future (you have arbitrarily assumed Freeman does, and imo have potentially sold a lot of false hope for your pet RB, when there isn't any reason to think he won't also be mired in some kind of RBBC at best, only you are than stuck with a less talented 4th round RBBC member - that could just as easily be an example of overly optimistic opportunity poison). Simply do the math. What is 5-6 (RBs) per team X 14? That is 70-84 RBs. How many workhorse, feature RB with elite #1 production gigs are there in the entire league? Its been pointed out multiple times by several people throughout the thread, that you seem incredibly unrealistic with your expectations of a RB many got in the second round (some in the third), that he is basically undraftable if he doesn't have a clear path to elite RB1 status. How many RBs do in this draft? In a lot of leagues, Sankey, Hyde, Freeman and Mason went before him and he was the fifth RB taken. In a 14 team league, that leaves 9 other teams scrambling. Who is guaranteed to be a better pick than Hill after the top ones are off the board? Maybe West, or Crowell? Not both. Andre Williams isn't guaranteed to not be in a RBBC. Sims? Carey? Are they guaranteed to not be in RBBCs?
You mentioned you would rather trade a pick for Frank Gore. What do you think he is going to do this year, elite RB1? Hopefully RB2? So if Hill, who is a decade younger, is a RB2, that is roster poison, just so we have this straight for the thread? But if circa twilight of his career Gore is a RB2 and finishes in the same ball park as Hill, he isn't roster poison? And if Gore is nearing the end of even RB2 production, you are left with zippo for what should be most of the length of Hill's career. So weighing that out, you can have potential RB2 production for a year or so than nothing with Gore, or you could have potentially similar production (to Gore NOW) for many years with Hill. Do you generally prefer RBs in their 30s that probably aren't going to do appreciably better (RB2, in this case?) anyways, and retiring a lot sooner, than ones a decade younger? Or is this just an isolated case, chalked up to the pervasively negative, Hill is roster poison bias?