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If that's your logic, you'd trade Sammy Watkins for Boykin.I have seen Boykin perform well in an NFL game, have not seen Adams do a thing yet.
If that's your logic, you'd trade Sammy Watkins for Boykin.I have seen Boykin perform well in an NFL game, have not seen Adams do a thing yet.
Yep. And to me Boykin would not even be worth a top 30 rookie draft pick.If that's your logic, you'd trade Sammy Watkins for Boykin.I have seen Boykin perform well in an NFL game, have not seen Adams do a thing yet.
Abbrederis is good between the 20's but Boykin is a better target in the RedZone.With Adams and abbredarus(sp?) Boykin will soon be forgotten.
With Adams and Nelson, I think they got the red zone covered. They want the best overall player. Abbrederis is very underrated IMO, good overall player.Abbrederis is good between the 20's but Boykin is a better target in the RedZone.With Adams and abbredarus(sp?) Boykin will soon be forgotten.
It's a very deep class so I have a hard time saying I would pay a top 30 pick for him but I'd definitely rather have him over Abbrederis and Janis who were taken at #30 in some of my drafts. He's definitely the main beneficiary, not Adams as a rookie, if Cobb or Nelson get hurt.Yep. And to me Boykin would not even be worth a top 30 rookie draft pick.If that's your logic, you'd trade Sammy Watkins for Boykin.I have seen Boykin perform well in an NFL game, have not seen Adams do a thing yet.
I've made my opinion on Abbrederis well known but we'll see.With Adams and Nelson, I think they got the red zone covered. They want the best overall player. Abbrederis is very underrated IMO, good overall player.Abbrederis is good between the 20's but Boykin is a better target in the RedZone.With Adams and abbredarus(sp?) Boykin will soon be forgotten.
Put Boykin on the pass happy Fresno St. offense and you would have seen numbers approaching Adams.Davante Adams is VERY GOOD, very fundamental. If he gets a starting job, he'll definitely be on a handful of my teams.
@evansilva · 22h
Jordy Nelson, Randall Cobb both in contract years. #Packers have no TE of note. Chance Davante Adams could be Rodgers' No. 2 option by '15.
All I know is that James Jones just left Green Bay leaving some balls to be caught. From what I've seen on tape, Adams can fill James Jones old role perfectly.Put Boykin on the pass happy Fresno St. offense and you would have seen numbers approaching Adams.Davante Adams is VERY GOOD, very fundamental. If he gets a starting job, he'll definitely be on a handful of my teams.
Attempts per game by Virginia Tech: 20.8, 19.2, 24.5, 28.9
Attempts per game by Fresno St.: 41.2, 51.9
Undrafted WR Isaiah Burse caught 100 passes last year.
Nothing against Adams and it's a great situation, but he's going off the board between 1.6 and 1.8 - that's rich for a guy who might be the #4 for a couple more years at least if Cobb and Nelson are re-signed and Boykin is kept as a RFA.All I know is that James Jones just left Green Bay leaving some balls to be caught. From what I've seen on tape, Adams can fill James Jones old role perfectly.Put Boykin on the pass happy Fresno St. offense and you would have seen numbers approaching Adams.Davante Adams is VERY GOOD, very fundamental. If he gets a starting job, he'll definitely be on a handful of my teams.
Attempts per game by Virginia Tech: 20.8, 19.2, 24.5, 28.9
Attempts per game by Fresno St.: 41.2, 51.9
Undrafted WR Isaiah Burse caught 100 passes last year.
Not a knock on Boykin but Adams is your upside guy. Rodgers makes everyone look good though.
Boykin isn't that great of a talent. Certainly not better than Adams. And that aside, it's extremely unlikely they have the money to retain both Nelson & Cobb. One will be gone in 2015. My money is on Nelson departing and Cobb getting a nice fat 5-7 year deal. Adams will likely be the #3 in the offense most of this season and we've seen in past seasons what value the WR3 for Rodgers holds.Nothing against Adams and it's a great situation, but he's going off the board between 1.6 and 1.8 - that's rich for a guy who might be the #4 for a couple more years at least if Cobb and Nelson are re-signed and Boykin is kept as a RFA.All I know is that James Jones just left Green Bay leaving some balls to be caught. From what I've seen on tape, Adams can fill James Jones old role perfectly.Not a knock on Boykin but Adams is your upside guy. Rodgers makes everyone look good though.Put Boykin on the pass happy Fresno St. offense and you would have seen numbers approaching Adams.Davante Adams is VERY GOOD, very fundamental. If he gets a starting job, he'll definitely be on a handful of my teams.
Attempts per game by Virginia Tech: 20.8, 19.2, 24.5, 28.9
Attempts per game by Fresno St.: 41.2, 51.9
Undrafted WR Isaiah Burse caught 100 passes last year.
You think he makes an excellent 9th round rookie pick, right?I've made my opinion on Abbrederis well known but we'll see.
A steal in the 9th.You think he makes an excellent 9th round rookie pick, right?I've made my opinion on Abbrederis well known but we'll see.
It appears unlikely Boykin will be signed to a long-term deal. However, they have several options for next year:A lot of posters loving on Boykin. But, I'm still skeptical.
If Green Bay liked him even a little, they wouldn't have selected 3 wide receivers in the draft. I highly doubt the team thinks he's capable of replacing Cobb or Nelson.
Although, I can see Boyking filling the old James Jones role - scoring 35 points on your bench, and 2 points when you start him.
As clop said, would they really have selected three wide outs in the draft if they had any appreciation for Boykin's game? Seems unlikely to me.It appears unlikely Boykin will be signed to a long-term deal. However, they have several options for next year:A lot of posters loving on Boykin. But, I'm still skeptical.
If Green Bay liked him even a little, they wouldn't have selected 3 wide receivers in the draft. I highly doubt the team thinks he's capable of replacing Cobb or Nelson.
Although, I can see Boyking filling the old James Jones role - scoring 35 points on your bench, and 2 points when you start him.
- 2nd round tender (~2.2M)
- Original round tender (~1.4M) - they could match but receive no compensation if he leaves
- No offer and let him walk
Yep. That's what I did. My favorite WRs (Davante Adams, Allen Robinson and Jordan Matthews) have been consistently going between 4-12 so if those are the guys you are targeting, you might as well trade back and get something more for your high pick.Mike Evans and Adams compare quite favorably in a lot of ways. The former has a little more top end, while the latter has lighter feet and greater flexibility. Both will make excellent red-zone targets catching jump balls. They make acrobatic grabs over defensive backs look easy.
But I like Adams more as a player, as I see him having greater success doing possession receiver type stuff - after he learns how. Combine with the fact Adams gets Aaron Rodgers throwing him passes throughout his first contract, and it's a no-brainer - IMO anyhow. If I have the 1.02, I'm trading back all day.
Great year to draft at the back of the first, or to find a sucker willing to trade up.
The Packers respected Jones but had to let him go because of the money. They will do the same with Boykin, either in 2015 or 2016, but that doesn't mean they don't respect his game.As clop said, would they really have selected three wide outs in the draft if they had any appreciation for Boykin's game? Seems unlikely to me.It appears unlikely Boykin will be signed to a long-term deal. However, they have several options for next year:A lot of posters loving on Boykin. But, I'm still skeptical.
If Green Bay liked him even a little, they wouldn't have selected 3 wide receivers in the draft. I highly doubt the team thinks he's capable of replacing Cobb or Nelson.
Although, I can see Boyking filling the old James Jones role - scoring 35 points on your bench, and 2 points when you start him.
- 2nd round tender (~2.2M)
- Original round tender (~1.4M) - they could match but receive no compensation if he leaves
- No offer and let him walk
As for Cobb, the highest paid slot receiver in the NFL is Cruz who is earning $6.75M a year over the first 3 years of his contract. If the Packers could pull off a similar deal for Cobb it wouldn't break their bank."I don't think anyone's worth $12 million to play football if you ask me," said the 27-year-old Nelson, who's beginning his fifth season. "It doesn't bother me. Obviously, you can sit there and look at it and wonder if I signed too early or whatever, but I'm fine.
"I've got bigger issues than looking for more money."
If this is dynasty, I don't like it at all.I took Adams in a league with 15 player rosters and high points for receiving yards. The draft was before the NFL draft.
Just traded him straight up for Mike Wallace. Happy.
This seems to presume Adams passes Boykin. I don't see it, at least not this year.I think Adams steps into the role that James Jones has had with the Packers. I do not think it matters much if Nelson and/or Cobb are re-signed as this role will still see 80-100 targets.
If Nelson leaves I think that could open up a job for Janis/Boykin/Abberderis.
Dynasty or redraft, Wallace >>>>> Adams.If that's a dynasty league, why would you even consider this trade?
I do not know much about Boykin so perhaps you are correct that he is competing for the same role in the offense as Adams? That is not clear to me.This seems to presume Adams passes Boykin. I don't see it, at least not this year.I think Adams steps into the role that James Jones has had with the Packers. I do not think it matters much if Nelson and/or Cobb are re-signed as this role will still see 80-100 targets.
If Nelson leaves I think that could open up a job for Janis/Boykin/Abberderis.
I'd also add that in terms of metrics Adams are really strikingly similar. Adams is a little faster and has a few more inches on his vertical and Boykin is just a little bit taller with significantly bigger hands. Really almost every metric between the two so from a size/speed ratio is so close it's like splitting hairs.
My belief is Boykin is the #3 this season. Adams will ascend into the #3 or greater next season if he shows well because they won't resign Cobb/Nelson and Boykin.
It is dynasty. The key point is it is 15 man rosters. No space to stash guys who are #3 or #4 on their team. Production needs to be now. This is accentuated by the scoring system. I'm struggling to see an argument for Adams over Wallace in this circumstance.identikit said:If this is dynasty, I don't like it at all.scothawk said:I took Adams in a league with 15 player rosters and high points for receiving yards. The draft was before the NFL draft.
Just traded him straight up for Mike Wallace. Happy.
That sums up Boykin.Biabreakable said:I do not know much about Boykin so perhaps you are correct that he is competing for the same role in the offense as Adams? That is not clear to me.menobrown said:This seems to presume Adams passes Boykin. I don't see it, at least not this year.Biabreakable said:I think Adams steps into the role that James Jones has had with the Packers. I do not think it matters much if Nelson and/or Cobb are re-signed as this role will still see 80-100 targets.
If Nelson leaves I think that could open up a job for Janis/Boykin/Abberderis.
I'd also add that in terms of metrics Adams are really strikingly similar. Adams is a little faster and has a few more inches on his vertical and Boykin is just a little bit taller with significantly bigger hands. Really almost every metric between the two so from a size/speed ratio is so close it's like splitting hairs.
My belief is Boykin is the #3 this season. Adams will ascend into the #3 or greater next season if he shows well because they won't resign Cobb/Nelson and Boykin.
As far as measurables between the 2 players being close, what I like about Adams is not his athleticism. I like his hands, toughness and route running.
I hate to say it but the Packers have been very good at finding WR after the 1st round that work for them. So that track record combined with Adams draft position gives me reason to have confidence that he will ultimately become a starter for them.
I'm a fan of Boykin but like James Jones this year he looks like the odd man out next year.menobrown said:This seems to presume Adams passes Boykin. I don't see it, at least not this year.Biabreakable said:I think Adams steps into the role that James Jones has had with the Packers. I do not think it matters much if Nelson and/or Cobb are re-signed as this role will still see 80-100 targets.
If Nelson leaves I think that could open up a job for Janis/Boykin/Abberderis.
I'd also add that in terms of metrics Adams are really strikingly similar. Adams is a little faster and has a few more inches on his vertical and Boykin is just a little bit taller with significantly bigger hands. Really almost every metric between the two so from a size/speed ratio is so close it's like splitting hairs.
My belief is Boykin is the #3 this season. Adams will ascend into the #3 or greater next season if he shows well because they won't resign Cobb/Nelson and Boykin.
@7RoundsInApril · Jun 10
Remember...comps use pre-draft info for all players - current prospects are compared only to past *prospects*. NFL careers not considered.
@7RoundsInApril · Jun 10
Ranked first by tier, and then within tier. Assumes all positions have equal value.
@7RoundsInApril · Jun 10
#11: Davante Adams: Steve Johnson, Dez White, Koren Robinson, possibly Michael Crabtree
@7RoundsInApril · Jun 10
Forgot to mention... #6 to #12 are Elite Prospects with Added Risk or Good Prospects with Clean Profiles
See post 49Skeletore Eh said:Davante Adams - WR - Packers
Packers second-round WR Davante Adams reportedly battled drop issues during OTAs and minicamp.
We wouldn't make too much of this as Adams showed excellent ball skills and strong hands while catching 131 passes from Derek Carr at Fresno State last season. We're still expecting him to push Jarrett Boykin very hard for the No. 3 wideout job at training camp. Adams has a significant natural talent edge.
Related: Jarrett Boykin
Source: ESPN.com
Jun 30 - 10:30 AM
I don't think they're referring to measured drills. I have to agree with them. Boykin can't do the things Adams can on the field. Good player still that could produce with Rodgers, but just isn't on Adams' level.See post 49Skeletore Eh said:Davante Adams - WR - Packers
Packers second-round WR Davante Adams reportedly battled drop issues during OTAs and minicamp.
We wouldn't make too much of this as Adams showed excellent ball skills and strong hands while catching 131 passes from Derek Carr at Fresno State last season. We're still expecting him to push Jarrett Boykin very hard for the No. 3 wideout job at training camp. Adams has a significant natural talent edge.
Related: Jarrett Boykin
Source: ESPN.com
Jun 30 - 10:30 AM
How many missed dunks were edited out of Adams' video?I don't think they're referring to measured drills. I have to agree with them. Boykin can't do the things Adams can on the field. Good player still that could produce with Rodgers, but just isn't on Adams' level.See post 49Skeletore Eh said:Davante Adams - WR - Packers
Packers second-round WR Davante Adams reportedly battled drop issues during OTAs and minicamp.
We wouldn't make too much of this as Adams showed excellent ball skills and strong hands while catching 131 passes from Derek Carr at Fresno State last season. We're still expecting him to push Jarrett Boykin very hard for the No. 3 wideout job at training camp. Adams has a significant natural talent edge.
Related: Jarrett Boykin
Source: ESPN.com
Jun 30 - 10:30 AM
Boykin can't do this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kN-TuQs-oyA
Instead he can only do this:
For a guy with 10-1/4" hands, he has a hard time gripping the basketball.
Miss or make, Adams appears much more athletic. His dunks are more challenging and he seems effortless. I think this translates to jump ball and body control on the football field--2 things Adams did VERY well in college.I don't think they're referring to measured drills. I have to agree with them. Boykin can't do the things Adams can on the field. Good player still that could produce with Rodgers, but just isn't on Adams' level.See post 49Davante Adams - WR - Packers
Packers second-round WR Davante Adams reportedly battled drop issues during OTAs and minicamp.
We wouldn't make too much of this as Adams showed excellent ball skills and strong hands while catching 131 passes from Derek Carr at Fresno State last season. We're still expecting him to push Jarrett Boykin very hard for the No. 3 wideout job at training camp. Adams has a significant natural talent edge.
Related: Jarrett Boykin
Source: ESPN.com
Jun 30 - 10:30 AM
Boykin can't do this:
I think you nailed it. He's safer than Benjamin because well...Benjamin is raw. He's safer than Lee because Jacksonville is the suck and Lee might not even be the best ROOKIE receiver. And he's safer than Latimer because of Peyton's age.From a dynasty perspective, Davante Adams looks to be one of the safer rookie picks that could be made at the end of round 1, early round 2 part of the drafts. In our 12 team PPR league, he went 2nd pick of 2nd round. Interestingly, still on the board were Kelvin Benjamin and Cody Latimer and Marqise Lee.
Unless Cobb is also re-signed in GB.From a dynasty perspective, Davante Adams looks to be one of the safer rookie picks that could be made at the end of round 1, early round 2 part of the drafts. In our 12 team PPR league, he went 2nd pick of 2nd round. Interestingly, still on the board were Kelvin Benjamin and Cody Latimer and Marqise Lee.
I was disappointed to just miss him with my 1.10.Would love to snag Adams.
I'm glad to see Adams improving his technique, but he looks pretty stiff to me. Nice one-handed catch.Some more footage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=II-K4Fllw98
I see functional lateral quickness off the line and out of his breaks and hard stops by sinking his hips well. Things that translate to "getting open". Whether you think that is perceived as "stiff" is debatable. Whether being stiff or smooth allows one to "get open" is debatable.I'm glad to see Adams improving his technique, but he looks pretty stiff to me. Nice one-handed catch.Some more footage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=II-K4Fllw98
I equate stiff hips with a lack of sinking hips, which hinders a receiver from getting open. He can't maintain speed through his breaks, so he has to slow down or round off his route.I see functional lateral quickness off the line and out of his breaks and hard stops by sinking his hips well.