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QB Jameis Winston, NO (5 Viewers)
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jabarony
Footballguy
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Wow.....first time I have really watched a whole game of his. Surprised Koettner kept him in the game. Also thought leadership was one of his better qualities....he was whining after each ridiculous turnover. So he doesn't take responsibility for his poor choices and makes too many WTF plays every game.
Hell no he doesn't. It's always someone else's fault. His complete incompetence is going to get Koetter fired but that won't fix the Bucs problem. It will just extend it more years.
packer_junkie
Footballguy
Hes terrible.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
New staff may be best off trading him and starting fresh. They have a boatload of weapons on the offensive side. I came away very impressed with Godwin and along with Evans/Howard/Brate/Jackson they have the fire power to be a force. Draft your guys at QB and build the oline. Jameis is a strange dude and I doubt we have seen his worst from a personality standpoint. On top of the fact that he should be much further along on the football field than he has shown.
Capella
Footballguy
Before this week he was the 16th-ranked QB in the league according to PFF, and that's with him playing 4 games with a hurt shoulder, and this is by far his worst year. He's nowhere near as bad as most of the mouthbreathers here think.
If he is this average next year, then there is a problem. I doubt that will be the case.
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This has been one of my most glorious victories, even topping the Tebow and Vince Young debates. Eatin' W's baby.
I like you, you're a great poster. But on this one, you need to stop while you're behind. HTH.Before this week he was the 16th-ranked QB in the league according to PFF, and that's with him playing 4 games with a hurt shoulder, and this is by far his worst year. He's nowhere near as bad as most of the mouthbreathers here think.
If he is this average next year, then there is a problem. I doubt that will be the case.
Not a great advertisement for PFF grades I guess.....Before this week he was the 16th-ranked QB in the league according to PFF, and that's with him playing 4 games with a hurt shoulder, and this is by far his worst year. He's nowhere near as bad as most of the mouthbreathers here think.
If he is this average next year, then there is a problem. I doubt that will be the case.
The thing is, it wouldn't matter if he was just an average or below average QB starter, except that he was drafted #1 overall and the media has pushed him as the future of the QB position poised for a breakout (although this year there have been shinier objects like Wentz to focus on, so he hasn't had that much attention).
I agree that sometimes we are too hard on young players too early (see Goff), but in this case it doesn't feel like there has been enough scrutiny - there is the odd "is Winston actually good?" sentiment in the media, but it hasn't really caught on. He's still given a pass to some extent. It's scary that he hasn't really shown signs of improvement, I don't care what his stats are.
Capella
Footballguy
Thanks for the nice words but I don't really need the help.
The guy has had two really good seasons and one admittedly mediocre one, albeit one where he was really hurt for at least a quarter of the season. I mean, maybe shoulder injuries where the ball is noticeably weaker coming out isn't a big deal but it would seem to be to me.
Capella
Footballguy
I dunno maybe most in the media realize he's had an injury for a large portion of the year to his throwing shoulder whereas people on the message board who don't know as much but have an agenda just choose to ignore that? I dunno, just spitballin here.
Also, PFF is pretty great. They don't have an agenda, just watch every play and seem to be pretty balanced. They aren't perfect but they beat the halfwits who just pick and choose.
None of this is to excuse his bad decisions, of which there are quite a few. But the good far outweighs the bad.
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Bronco Billy
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Winston hasn’t even completed his third year in the NFL. He is still a ways from being a finished product and this debate is far from being settled.
Some of those dancing on his grave right now ought to remember that, aside from how they look to others here in revelling in his struggles and actively rooting for him to fail.
Some of those dancing on his grave right now ought to remember that, aside from how they look to others here in revelling in his struggles and actively rooting for him to fail.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
People love to hate this kid.
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
Disliking a guy is one thing. Repeatedly gloating over some poor performance and actively hoping that his career goes down in flames so that one can publicly grandstand and feed one’s ego is something else entirely.
One is just personal preference, the other is a pretty significant character flaw.
Capella
Footballguy
Lod went on a completely different message board gloating how he won the Jameis argument. I am pretty sure it's all he has going for him.
Capella
Footballguy
Judging by how extremely and oddly important this is to you, and the fact you are going to other message boards to post about it (
) I'm fairly certain I've won a lot more in life than you have.
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Guys, let's please stick to the topic for discussion and drop the back and forth to each other on who won and such. Thanks.
Capella
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Bronco Billy
Footballguy
Capella said:Judging by how extremely and oddly important this is to you, and the fact you are going to other message boards to post about it (
When oh when will you please stop feeding the troll. Discipline, my man. Discipline.
Capella
Footballguy
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
Let actions speak for itself. Winston is struggling, no question. He made an awfully weird speech. But he also came out and played hurt for a good portion of the season, and he’s shown some real positives to go with the negatives. That takes some moxy. He’s still awfully young. Let it play out and see if you get the last laugh. Lot of talent sitting there for his next HC.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
The argument I continue to make is he's right on pace with many other good to great QB's on a numbers comparison basis early on in their careers, but because it's Jameis people (especially in Tampa) are lighting torches.
I personally feel like he's played quite well the last two weeks. He's had two bad sack/fumbles. The interception in front of Jackson shouldn't have been thrown in the vicinity of the receiver, but DeSean also ran a horribly lazy route and didn't make an attempt to come back to the ball. The interception on the throw to OJ should have been a flag, which is why Jameis was so upset. He threw another dime to OJ that put Tampa inside the ten but he fumbled. He had the Bucs in field goal range and Doug fumbled. 68% complete for 285 yards and brought them back from a two score deficit to tie it late.
I think it's just really difficult for some people to be objective about this young man.
I personally feel like he's played quite well the last two weeks. He's had two bad sack/fumbles. The interception in front of Jackson shouldn't have been thrown in the vicinity of the receiver, but DeSean also ran a horribly lazy route and didn't make an attempt to come back to the ball. The interception on the throw to OJ should have been a flag, which is why Jameis was so upset. He threw another dime to OJ that put Tampa inside the ten but he fumbled. He had the Bucs in field goal range and Doug fumbled. 68% complete for 285 yards and brought them back from a two score deficit to tie it late.
I think it's just really difficult for some people to be objective about this young man.
Capella
Footballguy
The speech is one of the dumbest things I've ever seen in my life but he makes so many difficult throws and his teammates love him. I don't know if he will clean up the dumb turnovers, but I hope a new coach can reach him on that. That part is frustrating. I don't know why he can't just accept a broken play.
Capella
Footballguy
Jackson's effort on that pick was unbelievable. Later in the game when the D was on the field he was on the sideline 40 yards away from his offensive teammates. I imagine he won't be back.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Grahamburn
Footballguy
I'm suggesting that this Jameis Winston mission is not one to take on. And you, what are you suggesting?
Grahamburn
Footballguy
The mission has been 4 years in the making. I don’t know the outcome. Others seem to be quite sure of themselves.
I hope the Bucs turn it around and would expect if they do it will be with Jameis as the QB.
I'm not "sure of myself", if that's what you're trying to imply. I do feel like he's a crappy QB and nowhere near a leader. Time will bare that out. What's your stance?
Capella
Footballguy
I actually said he was league average this year. If you read that as "stud", that's a comprehension problem with you, not me.
JohnnyU
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Simple. He's done it before. Love the guy, but he's done it before, which means he'll do it again.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
No need for a link. Great guy. Easily one of the best posters on this site. Just let it go.
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