JohnnyU
Footballguy
You said he's done it before. I haven't heard of it so I just asked you to provide a link where he's played the race card. If there is one I'll acknowledge what you said as a possible reaction by Winston.
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QB Jameis Winston, NO (6 Viewers)
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Grahamburn
Footballguy
I'd certainly give him the 5 years he's signed for. He'll be all of 26. He's every bit as good as Stafford. Dalton. Rivers. Cousins. Mariota. Flacco. He's in the top half of NFL QB's. I don't even think that's really debatable. Those guys hang around the NFL for a long time. When he's at the end of his deal if Tampa decides to move on he's going to get a monster contract from another team. No doubt in my mind. And he'll probably go on to be extremely successful for whatever franchise hangs on to him.
The narrative in here is that's he's some kind of bust, which in my mind is ludicrous.
No need. It was one of those things where two people got confused and it was total message board crap. It doesn't matter, Capella is a good guy.
steelers1080
Footballguy
He's definitely not as good as Stafford or Rivers, at least so far. He's too turnover prone and too inaccurate.
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
It’s always enjoyable to watch people use the cheap tactic of putting a person into a position they haven't put forth and then using that false position to denegrate them. Have your fun.
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
Pass. You’re clearly fishing and quite frankly you just aren’t worth it wasting more time and effort on. Have a great day.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Comparing them as they are now, no, maybe not. But in their first two years in the league? Yeah, Jameis is better than they were. Stafford threw 13 TD's and 20 INT's his rookie season. Barely played his second season. It all clicked in his 3rd year, but he hasn't come anywhere close to that level of play since. Stafford's Lions went 4-12 in his fourth season and his TD:INT ration was 20:17 and he had Calvin Johnson. I don't remember anyone calling for his head or screaming bust after that year? Rivers' record was certainly better than Jameis' in his first two years, but his numbers weren't and he had LaDanian Tomlinson to hand the ball to.
It's just extremely premature to write this kid off.
I can agree to an extent. Having fun here. But do you really think Jameis Winston is a good QB? Yes or no? Take a stand.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Grahamburn
Footballguy
You'd think so. Or at least a capable one. The additions of O.J. Howard and DeSean Jackson coupled with Hard Knocks blew the expectations through the roof for Winston and the Bucs. They've clearly underachieved.JohnnyU said:
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Yes, JW has underachieved but that doesn't mean he isn't a good QB one year removed from a great year.
Okay, so what the player can do on the field is what you want? How about losing his mind over and over again and and act like a complete idiot. Is that okay to start with?
By killing it, you must mean by being correct in my assessment.
I simply state facts regarding his play. It's horrible. He is a massive turnover machine. He can't read a defense to save his life. Can't throw an accurate deep pass. He throws more horrible passes than anyone not named Brock. If the defensive players could actually catch, his TOs would be double. "I think Jameis throws way too many interceptions," Mayock said on the show. "Obviously, he has the ability to close games. ... He was at his best when the best was needed and I give him credit for that. But he threw (a combined) seven interceptions vs. Louisville and Florida, and it could have been 14 if the other team could catch the ball. He throws the ball up for grabs, in my opinion, way too often. That's my big issue with him on the field." That was in college and it's a lot tougher in the NFL and he's no different.
All you have to do is read reports on this guy. They have come around to how awful he really is. The franchise is on pace to do exactly what the Texans did with Carr and that is blame everyone else until there is no one left to blame. THEN you get rid of the real problem.
https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2017/12/3/16730254/jameis-winstons-bad-decision-fumble-touchdown-packers
https://www.bucsnation.com/2017/10/29/16567618/panthers-vs-buccaneers-final-score-jameis-winston-throws-away-the-game
https://sports.yahoo.com/heres-jameis-winston-went-darkhorse-mvp-candidate-massive-disappointment-170958454.html
Then there's this one. Sure he put up 4k yards his rookie season and the next season. Yards don't win games. Turnovers help you lose games.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/progress-from-jameis-winston-is-all-that-stands-in-the-way-of-a-buccaneers-title-run/
Winston's numbers were still bad. In 2015, Winston's adjusted completion percentage was a league-low 69.2. In 2016, Winston posted an adjusted completion percentage of 69.1, which ranked 26th of 29 qualified passers.
At least he's consistently inconsistent.
Now when others rip my correct analysis, sure I defend myself.
Monitored? I'm being told on constantly. It's really sad but it is what it is.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
Start Winston vs. ATL.
Winston is has been terrible this year.. Watching the game last week I literally cringed on several plays. He just looks awkward and lost at times and those times usually result in a turnover. That's not to say he doesn't look good at times also but there's just very little consistency to his game.
However being bad in real life doesn't always equate to being bad in fantasy (see 2015 Blake Bortles). Since returning from his shoulder injury Winston has finished as the QB5 and the QB12 respectively. Last year vs. ATL he put up lines of 281/4/1 and 261/3/0. ATL is -6 so Winston will likely be doing a healthy amount of throwing.
I doubt many playoff teams are even entertaining starting him but once you move past the top 6 or so options you can make a very good case for him this week.
Winston is has been terrible this year.. Watching the game last week I literally cringed on several plays. He just looks awkward and lost at times and those times usually result in a turnover. That's not to say he doesn't look good at times also but there's just very little consistency to his game.
However being bad in real life doesn't always equate to being bad in fantasy (see 2015 Blake Bortles). Since returning from his shoulder injury Winston has finished as the QB5 and the QB12 respectively. Last year vs. ATL he put up lines of 281/4/1 and 261/3/0. ATL is -6 so Winston will likely be doing a healthy amount of throwing.
I doubt many playoff teams are even entertaining starting him but once you move past the top 6 or so options you can make a very good case for him this week.
creepythinman
Footballguy
Thanks for last year's numbers. Have to choose between Winston and Mariota (oy).
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
I trust Mariota less than Winston, he's playing worse IMO. And if Mariota can't scramble forget about it. In 4 games Winston has averaged 22.35ppg (Yahoo leagues) vs. ATL. It probably won't be pretty but I think he does well vs. ATL.
ffweasel
Weasel Power
I have Garoppolo & Winston. I’m actually starting Jimmy this week. In your case I’d lean Winston probably.
I don't know anything about what the Bucs might do in the draft. But some guy here at the bar is saying if they get a shot at one of the top QBs, they'll do it and try to trade Jameis and blah, blah, blah. Is that even a remote possibility? I'm not buying it. Anyway, I know one of you guys will know the answer. What are the likely to do? Thanks.
Frostillicus
Footballguy
I just want to mention that right now he's setting a career high in completion pct, QB rating, and TD/INT ratio and is just off his career high of yards per attempt.
trader jake
Footballguy
Um, no. Tell that guy to have another one.
Winston has some work to do, but the Bucaneers will attempt to find the right head coach to get the best out of Winston before they trade him away.
Capella
Footballguy
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SameSongNDance
Footballguy
Historical data has always been the best indicator for me. It's why I sat Rivers despite his recent play and started Winston despite his recent play.
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Frostillicus
Footballguy
I can't believe Winston missed that kick. Loser.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Entire team showed a lot of composure tonight.
Jameis was brilliant.
Jameis was brilliant.
Frostillicus
Footballguy
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Dismattle
Footballguy
I sorta has the impression the whole Team appeared somewhat more motivated than games I've watched. I'm not implying questions on Winston. It's just that the best QB's always appear to be giving 110% effort. The type play that motivates other players to give it their all.. Argument could be raised that just the opposite occurred in this one game.
rockaction
Footballguy
Big bust for me this year, honestly. Keenum's been better for me while Winston was out, Newton lots better.
I'm sorry you're a homer, but drafting Winston for FF has been a pretty shaky proposition. If I didn't draft Bell and Elliott, I'm not in the championship game.
If we're talking pure football, I'm a believer.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
He's been inconsistent. Nobody would argue that. We can make a million excuses. Last night showed what he's capable of.
The guy actually played under control and didn't do anything stupid. I'm thinking they slipped him a double dose of ADHD medicine. First time I've seen him play where his eyes weren't bugging out of his head. Should be an entertaining 2018 coming. We will see if he can eat some Ws.
avoiding injuries
Footballguy
He "scored" 3 pts against CAR earlier this year. What are people expecting this coming week?
Ted Lange as your Bartender
Footballguy
Lost Rodgers again so now I'm deciding btw Winston and Cousins vs Denver.
Hate both matchups tbh, I'm the favorite so I don't need a huge ceiling, just really need a solid floor. Cousins has been more consistent overall but the offense has looked shaky the last month.
probably rolling out Jameis today but will change my mind many more times this week I think.
Hate both matchups tbh, I'm the favorite so I don't need a huge ceiling, just really need a solid floor. Cousins has been more consistent overall but the offense has looked shaky the last month.
probably rolling out Jameis today but will change my mind many more times this week I think.
whiskey7
Footballguy
I would think he will best his stats from his last game vs CAR but that’s not saying much. And I say that with the caveat he has someone besides Evans to throw to. Jackson and Howard both left last night with injury and Brate was injured, too, though came back in the game and made some plays. I don’t know...250/1 maybe?
He came through for me to get to the ‘ship but I may look to go another direction this weekend.
Sarlakticacid
Footballguy
If we use the reasoning posted above, not sure where, and go of recent history his best outcome would vs Car was 200/1 or close to it.
the oline seemed to hold up better vs Atlanta
the oline seemed to hold up better vs Atlanta
Sarlakticacid
Footballguy
ChriscGodwin breakout??
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Tampa is pretty much decimated at this point. Monday night was their last hurrah this year.
Theyre going to get their doors blown off these next two weeks.
Theyre going to get their doors blown off these next two weeks.
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