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QB Jameis Winston, NO (2 Viewers)
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The Big Donkey
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QB 6 in my 2QB league with -3 turnovers. Keep chucking it Jameis.
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Ghost Rider
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As I said a while back, Winston is a younger Ryan Fitzpatrick. He will get a lot of yards, a lot of scores and a lot of interceptions. Time has proven this to be the case. I wouldn't call him a bad or awful QB per se, but he's not a dependable one you can rely on to get anywhere after December.
Capella
Footballguy
Sure, that and their yards per play is the worst in the nfl, or at least it was 2 weeks ago. But ok.
Capella
Footballguy
You can slam Jameis, god knows there is enough reason to do that but please don’t come in here and be like the Bucs defense is bad because he puts them in bad situations. That is comically incorrect. Other than yesterday that defense is straight trash no matter where the ball starts.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Capella
Footballguy
Hmm I stand corrected. Thought I read they were 31st. Still hovering around 6 per play though before this week which sucks.
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fruity pebbles
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Better than the Ravens for example. Think you’re discounting what 27 turnovers in 11 games will do to a defense.
Capella
Footballguy
Lol no I am not. I’ve watched them get rocked all year. Guess it’s happening everywhere. That many YPP is pretty bad no matter what but obviously the turnovers are game losers.
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Grahamburn
Footballguy
He's Brett Favre.
habsfan
Footballguy
I could be misremembering Favre but it seemed like his typical pick was due to being overly aggressive. He read the situation/defence correctly, saw the risk, accurately calculated the likelihood of success and then threw it anyway because he believed he could "fit it in there". Winston doesn't seem to be doing that.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Out of Favre's 11 playoff appearances with Green Bay their defense ranked outside the top 15 just 3 times. 5 of those years they were top 10. Their two Super Bowl runs they were 1st and 5th. His playoff year with Minnesota they were 6th.
Jameis has defenses that have ranked 26th, 15th (coincidentally went 9-7), 22nd, 31st, and 31st.
Favre's career INT% is 3.3. Jameis is 3.3%. Favre's TD% is 5.0. Jameis is 4.7%. Favre's career quarterback rating is 86.0 Jameis is 86.8.
Put a top 10 defense on the field and Jameis will win. Roll out the 31st, and yeah, he'll go 5-11.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
QB 5 in my 4 pt TD, no bonus, no penalty for ints. 10 pts out of 2ndkodycutter said:
Keep chucking it is right
VikingFrog
Footballguy
He’s not a huge rusher but he gets a few odd scrambles every game to make up for an interception or two each game as well. He’ll always scramble for 20 yards or so and I’ll tell myself that takes an interception off the board.
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Cowboysfan8
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Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Nice job cherry picking stats to try and compare Winston to a first ballot Hall of Famer. There is no way you actually believe that Winston is actually close to as good as Favre was.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Perception isn’t always reality. I certainly think Winston could be as good as Favre if he had some help.
I used those specific numbers because I was talking about each players’ ability to both make big plays AND turn it over while pointing out it’s easier to win if the defense gets a stop after the QB makes a mistake.
Don Hutson
Footballguy
I agree 100%. Tall, chubby, slow, weak/medium strength arm, with a similar throwing motion.SayWhat? said:it’s easy to see some striking similarities between Haskins and Winston.
habsfan
Footballguy
Unfortunately for Winston we're getting into that "and if my aunt had balls" territory. Has he had a perfect ecosystem to develop in? Obviously not but those don't really exist and at this point, his sample size as a starter is large enough for most to close the book on him as a "franchise" guy or even long term stop gap solution. He is what he is and his career arc is looking more Ryan Fitzpatrick than Brett Favre.
VikingFrog
Footballguy
Weather is starting to make Winston owners nervous. I can absorb a few picks/turnovers. Actually I’ve come to expect them.
But not if bad weather equals < 200 yards and a single td or two.
If the forecast doesn’t change I may start looking at other dart throw options this weekend. But the pickings are slim.
But not if bad weather equals < 200 yards and a single td or two.
If the forecast doesn’t change I may start looking at other dart throw options this weekend. But the pickings are slim.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Judge Smails
Footballguy
He’s going to have to step into his throws with the wind. No floaters. My biggest concern is them scoring with the running game when they get in the red zone. Jax was a sieve last week
the spanker
Footballguy
Grahamburn
Footballguy
They're 3rd in the NFL in points per game on offense. I think he's utilizing the best 1-2 punch at WR just fine. I'm referring to the 31st ranked defense in the NFL.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Or, check this out, he could help himself by not throwing so many interceptions. He has 20 this year and is pace to throw almost 30. I know it's easy to blame that on the defense ("he has to take chances because their defense is so bad"), but the reality is that Winston throws awful picks even in games where the defense isn't so bad. Take Week 1. The TB defense held the 49ers top 10 offense to 256 total yards, forced 2 turnovers, and allowed only 16 points, yet they lost the game 31-17 because Winston threw 2 pick-6's, the second of which is in the conversation for worst INT I have ever seen.
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Grahamburn
Footballguy
Ahh. Cherry picking games now. Let's take week 3 then where the defense gets lit up by a rookie QB who obviously isn't as good as everyone thought he was after torching the Bucs for 22 second half points and 336 yards. But, hey Jameis, your 380 yards, 3 TDs, and last second drive aren't enough because the defense couldn't get a stop and the kicker hit a shank. Jameis is the problem though... Week 4 he took it upon himself to bail them out with 385 and 4 TDs. The defense gave up 40 with 20 of them in the 4th quarter.Ghost Rider said:
Anyway, the D is playing well now with JPP back and they have 2 wins in a row and 3 of their last 4. It's a miracle how that happens. Yeah, he turns it over too much, but the narrative that the defense is hung out to dry because of his turnovers falls way flat if you follow the team.
The Frankman
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The Big Donkey
Footballguy
killing me with -3 turnovers. lol, come on Jameis.
wgoldsph
Footballguy
Wise Old Owl
Footballguy
GMs and Coaches are suckers for QBs that have the physical tools but can't read defenses. Examples, Winston, Bortles, Jake Locker, every QB Elway has ever drafted, etc.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
He done for the day ?
The Big Donkey
Footballguy
Capella
Footballguy
College isn’t the same thing but he did drive FSU 75 yards with 58 seconds left to win the national title.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Thank you Jameis!
Capella
Footballguy
They have to keep him. Otherwise you end up with some toad like Mason Rudolph leading your team.
wgoldsph
Footballguy
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
ShamrockPride
Footballguy
Jameis is hot garbage in real football but an all-timer in the fantasy world.
irish eyes
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