gump
Footballguy
I’m swinging back this way. I said earlier the NET was replaceable but not in days like today. He has to tighten up with age, surely.
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QB Jameis Winston, NO (5 Viewers)
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Capella
Footballguy
LOL. Keep that dream alive. You tank the season and get Trevor Lawrence in the 2021 draft. Keep this pick machine and you are a ham & egger team as long as he's the QB.
Capella
Footballguy
I would love to have Trevor but no way in the world are they bad enough for the top pick. They’re probably going to end up 9-7 this year, next year might be similar.
Would not be surprised if that team is Carolina. Trade Cam, play Kyle, get a brand new QB for the new owner.
Kyle is good enough to win some games. Miami blew their shot by starting Fitzmagic. They could draft OL and start that Rosen bum and easily have #1. He totally blows.
The Frankman
Footballguy
Bad real life QB. Great fantasy QB.
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Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Fractured throwing hand. Status unknown
NNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
NNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
Judge Smails
Footballguy
I heard tiny fracture he can likely play through but will be limited in practice. Let's hope. Already bummed about Evans being out (though he threw for 400 to other receivers) and now this. 2 great matchups too for semi's and final. Got to get lucky to win it all
Grahamburn
Footballguy
He’s certainly not boring. I’ll give him that.
rockaction
Footballguy
Love good Jameis, am perplexed by bad Jameis.
Too bad, it looks like they're starting to put guys on defense so that third-and-long and the eventual punt doesn't sound so bad anymore. That way, instead of awful turnovers that completely flip field position because Jameis is playing hero ball, one can compensate for a few punts with a heck of run defense and an improving passing one.
This team is a heartbeat or two away from 8-5 as opposed to 6-7. That said, they're not likely going 9-7. They're likely an 8-8 that has not solved the main issue of the year, the Sword Of Damocles hanging...are you gonna pay Jameis? Can you pay Evans and Godwin if you do, because in order to be viable, I have to think they've gotta keep all three of their top WR guys. Whether three is Watson or Perriman is up for debate because I've seen so little of Watson and a lot of unimpressive from Perriman
Anyway, just chiming in. Guy dropped around 35 large fantasy points this weekend. Ouch.
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Grahamburn
Footballguy
I have no idea if he’ll tone down the hero ball if the defense gets more consistent stops. It seems like it might just be his style. You may have to live with it to get the wow plays.
What’s that worth? I don’t know how you justify “richest QB contract in history” like Stafford received when he was due, but Stafford is actually a great comparison for Winston. His INT% dropped dramatically after his 5th year. JW is also still just 25 years old...
They need to sign Shaq Barrett to a monster contract. Suh, JPP, and Nassib are all free agents too.
Theres an odd man out or two somewhere in there.
What’s that worth? I don’t know how you justify “richest QB contract in history” like Stafford received when he was due, but Stafford is actually a great comparison for Winston. His INT% dropped dramatically after his 5th year. JW is also still just 25 years old...
They need to sign Shaq Barrett to a monster contract. Suh, JPP, and Nassib are all free agents too.
Theres an odd man out or two somewhere in there.
rockaction
Footballguy
I haven't looked at their contract situation, but one would figure that teams are going to come a-calling for your wing, skill position guys.
fatness
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
Naw, that's Fitzpatrick because the media loves him. They scold Jameis, all the time. It's actually sometimes hard to listen to. And ironically they fawn over Jameis's deep ball, which is actually ranked in the last quintile over at the Deep Ball Project, put on as a side hobby by the guys at Football Outsiders.
To wit: Tampa had the two modern Favres last year and still couldn't figure out how to win, which says a lot about turnovers, the modern game, and how to-the-vest it has become. I mean, we read about passing all the time, but the question usually is, as lod001 will tell you, how deep and how far? True West Coast offenses are things of putridity. Dink. Dank. Dunk. Chains.
Tampa has none of that ####. I love watching them. I hope they can pull off a winning season, sign Jamies and the core, and continue to be the most fun NFL team to watch on offense.
Deamon
Footballguy
Carolina was good for a lot of the season with Kyle. They won't be the top pick next year.
Deamon
Footballguy
You really think Griffen brings an 8 win team down to a 2 win team? Tanking for the top pick is tough in football. There's always another team that's almost as bad. A couple weeks into the season, not a single person out there thought Miami would lose that top pick. You can't play for the top pick in football.... there's a full team of guys trying to win each week.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
I've received a lot of flack for making the same comparison. Favre was a very similar player. He won when he had a defense good enough to bail him out occasionally. Jameis hasn't had that.
Judge Smails
Footballguy
Watched press interviews on Monday for both Jameis and Arians. Very insightful. For Jameis he's obviously a leader, smart guy and took full ownership saying he's got to fix the turnovers, totally on him. He praised the coaching staff for telling him to "keep firing". He also had nothing on his throwing hand. No splint, bandage, nothing. He looked fine. He said the culture has changed and the team expects to win games and they are focused and ending with 6 wins in a row. He knows he's fighting for his job/contract.
Arians said his offense is complicated. Especially for the QB, but really the whole team. It's an explosive offense that when everyone gets it it's tough to stop. But it takes time. Said in year 1 they had a ton of picks in Arizona and that went way down in year 2 as everyone got comfortable with it. Went over each pick and said it was a variety of factors. Said in the first one Evans ran the route too short. Then Jameis tried to throw over a taller linebacker which he needs to be more aware of. But it started with the route. On the pick 6 he was furious with the missed block by the rb (not sure which one was in there) and said if the block is made Brate is wide open in the middle to walk in the end zone. Again made his point that the whole team needs to get better picking up the offense. Overall he praised Winston and the team for fighting and coming back. He said Winston was afraid of making mistakes earlier and afraid to throw the ball. What he liked most is right after they pick 6 he led them to a score. He wants him to keep firing downfield. He thinks Winston will be fine for Sunday.
I don't love Evans being gone but I'm still hoping with these 2 playoff matchups Jameis can get it done. He still has enough receivers to throw to with Godwin, Perriman, Watson, Howard, Brate, etc. Detroit will blitz. If he gets time still should have a solid day.
Arians said his offense is complicated. Especially for the QB, but really the whole team. It's an explosive offense that when everyone gets it it's tough to stop. But it takes time. Said in year 1 they had a ton of picks in Arizona and that went way down in year 2 as everyone got comfortable with it. Went over each pick and said it was a variety of factors. Said in the first one Evans ran the route too short. Then Jameis tried to throw over a taller linebacker which he needs to be more aware of. But it started with the route. On the pick 6 he was furious with the missed block by the rb (not sure which one was in there) and said if the block is made Brate is wide open in the middle to walk in the end zone. Again made his point that the whole team needs to get better picking up the offense. Overall he praised Winston and the team for fighting and coming back. He said Winston was afraid of making mistakes earlier and afraid to throw the ball. What he liked most is right after they pick 6 he led them to a score. He wants him to keep firing downfield. He thinks Winston will be fine for Sunday.
I don't love Evans being gone but I'm still hoping with these 2 playoff matchups Jameis can get it done. He still has enough receivers to throw to with Godwin, Perriman, Watson, Howard, Brate, etc. Detroit will blitz. If he gets time still should have a solid day.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Griffin took 1st team snaps today
simey
Footballguy
I saw a segment on the NFL network yesterday where it compared Winston's first 69 games to Peyton Manning's first 69, and it looks like this:Judge Smails said:
Winston vs Manning first 69 games
Completion % - Winston 61.5 Manning 61.3
Pass Yards/Att Winston 7.7 Manning 7.4
Pass YPG Winston 271.6 Manning 256.5
TD-Int Ratio Winston 1.4-1 Manning 1.4-1
Passer Rating Winston 87.2 Manning 85.6
Is this "Griffin took [ALL] 1st team snaps today?"
OR
"Griffin took [SOME] 1st team snaps today?"
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Correct. Same thing with a Favre comparison. The difference in eras is enormous. From an efficiency perspective (the turnovers obviously kill him) in today's NFL compared to the other QB's playing right now he's mid to low tier. The guy is polarizing to say the least. If the light ever comes though he could be one of the absolute greats.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Jameis is throwing tennis balls at practice today
https://www.rotoworld.com/football/nfl/player/12159/jameis-winston
https://www.rotoworld.com/football/nfl/player/12159/jameis-winston
Me too; I only have Allen as a backup, and I'm trying to convince myself it might be okay "he could rush for 40 and a TD to salvage a decent day."Crap this is starting to worry me...and I don't have anyone other than Haskins on my roster in one league...yeah I know
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Manster
Footballguy
Capella
Footballguy
So I've been spending the last few days convincing myself I'd be OK with Allen at QB. Now I've got myself worried that Jameis might not be effective or finish the game, and I'm wondering whether I should just bench him for Allen anyway. The joys of playoff fantasy football with locked rosters.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
GrantK
Footballguy
We have Wentz but will most likely roll with Winston, he got us this far might as well live or die with him!
BigJonE300
Footballguy
Started Perriman over Fuller (and Hilton), not a huge reach though IMO.
Winston has had a good game this half.
Punxsutawney Phil
Footballguy
Can't wait to seem him in the second year of this system. If he can cut back on the interceptions the sky is the limit. They need to get him some better OT's & a better blocking RB. Ronald Jones can run but can't block worth a crap. Peyton Barber blocks but is a mediocre runner. Maybe Arians reunites with David Johnson in 2020
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wgoldsph
Footballguy
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WinsJa00.htm
Not including today =
55.7 qbr for the year
Played one top ten defense - 20/36 194 1td 3ints
41 sacks
And of course 23 ints
He's a great fantasy qb and an awful real life qb.
Not including today =
55.7 qbr for the year
Played one top ten defense - 20/36 194 1td 3ints
41 sacks
And of course 23 ints
He's a great fantasy qb and an awful real life qb.
The Frankman
Footballguy
I feel like I keep saying this over and over. Great fantasy QB and terrible real life one, but when he's facing a terrible defense... yeah, you get games like this.
Punxsutawney Phil
Footballguy
San Fran may be the only top 10 d now but early in the season Saints, Carolina, Rams and Tennessee were decent.
Judge Smails
Footballguy
BS. He’s not a terrible real life QB. You want terrible I’ll rattle off a bunch not named Winston. He played fantastic today. Throws a beautiful ball. He makes mistakes over the middle but Arians says QBs throw picks in his offense the first year. Threw for 300 yards 10 times so far and over 400 a few more. Evans and Godwin out still threw to the guys who were in there.
And he’s a fantastic fantasy QB
Foosball God
Foos
He throws too many picks to be a good real life QB and I don't care what Arians' excuse is, he's always thrown a ton of picks all the way back to college. Dude can wing it, but he's not going to win you any championships with the way he throws interceptions.
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