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10 minutes ago, Capella said:

They have to keep him. Otherwise you end up with some toad like Mason Rudolph leading your team. 

I’m swinging back this way. I said earlier the NET was replaceable but not in days like today. He has to tighten up with age, surely.

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22 minutes ago, Capella said:

They have to keep him. Otherwise you end up with some toad like Mason Rudolph leading your team. 

LOL. Keep that dream alive. You tank the season and get Trevor Lawrence in the 2021 draft. Keep this pick machine and you are a ham & egger team as long as he's the QB.

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1 minute ago, lod001 said:

LOL. Keep that dream alive. You tank the season and get Trevor Lawrence in the 2021 draft. Keep this pick machine and you are a ham & egger team as long as he's the QB.

I would love to have Trevor but no way in the world are they bad enough for the top pick. They’re probably going to end up 9-7 this year, next year might be similar.  

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2 minutes ago, Arodin said:

Would not be surprised if that team is Carolina.  Trade Cam, play Kyle, get a brand new QB for the new owner.

Kyle is good enough to win some games. Miami blew their shot by starting Fitzmagic. They could draft OL and start that Rosen bum and easily have #1. He totally blows.

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Winston completed 33-of-45 passes for 456 yards, four touchdowns and three interceptions in the Buccaneers' 38-35, Week 14 win over the Colts, adding a one-yard touchdown on a QB sneak.

The performance featured the best and worst of Winston. His touchdowns went to Breshad Perriman, Mike Evans, Justin Watson and Cameron Brate. The throw to Evans was one of the best we've seen from Winston this season, as he hit the Buccaneers' No. 1 WR in stride for a 61-yard score. The only negative was that Evans (hamstring) pulled up lame after the play and wouldn't return. This didn’t stop Winston from feeding Watson and Perriman for the rest of the afternoon. Of course, Winston also tossed multiple bone-headed interceptions, but that’s simply a part of the experience. Coach Bruce Arians said Jameis Winston got X-Rays and tests showed a tiny fracture in his right hand, for which he missed the first series of the second half, but returned to the game. It's unclear if he'll be able to play through the injury; continue to treat him as a boom-or-bust QB1 if active in Week 15 against the Lions.

Bad real life QB. Great fantasy QB.

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ESPN's Jenna Laine reports the Buccaneers are "optimistic" about Jameis Winston (thumb) continuing to play this season.

Winston visited a hand specialist Monday afternoon. Reportedly, the issue was determining if he could risk further injury by continuing to play. Winston managed to play through the injury and didn't appear to be hindered during the second half of the team's Week 14 victory over the Colts. The entire passing game is set up well in Week 15 against the Lions' mediocre secondary.

SOURCE: Jenna Laine on Twitter

Dec 9, 2019, 5:28 PM ET

 

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1 hour ago, Grahamburn said:

He’s certainly not boring. I’ll give him that. 

Love good Jameis, am perplexed by bad Jameis. 

Too bad, it looks like they're starting to put guys on defense so that third-and-long and the eventual punt doesn't sound so bad anymore. That way, instead of awful turnovers that completely flip field position because Jameis is playing hero ball, one can compensate for a few punts with a heck of run defense and an improving passing one.  

This team is a heartbeat or two away from 8-5 as opposed to 6-7. That said, they're not likely going 9-7. They're likely an 8-8 that has not solved the main issue of the year, the Sword Of Damocles hanging...are you gonna pay Jameis? Can you pay Evans and Godwin if you do, because in order to be viable, I have to think they've gotta keep all three of their top WR guys. Whether three is Watson or Perriman is up for debate because I've seen so little of Watson and a lot of unimpressive from Perriman

Anyway, just chiming in. Guy dropped around 35 large fantasy points this weekend. Ouch. 

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I have no idea if he’ll tone down the hero ball if the defense gets more consistent stops. It seems like it might just be his style. You may have to live with it to get the wow plays.
 

What’s that worth? I don’t know how you justify “richest QB contract in history” like Stafford received when he was due, but Stafford is actually a great comparison for Winston. His INT% dropped dramatically after his 5th year. JW is also still just 25 years old...

They need to sign Shaq Barrett to a monster contract. Suh, JPP, and Nassib are all free agents too.

Theres an odd man out or two somewhere in there.

 

 

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The Tampa Bay Times' Rick Stroud reports Jameis Winston (thumb) is expected to start in Week 15 against the Lions.

Winston was cleared after going for a second opinion on his thumb Monday afternoon. With little chance of risking a longer-term injury while playing through his hairline fracture, he's fully expected to start against the Lions. Winston remains on pace for 5,065 passing yards, which would be the sixth-highest mark in league history.

SOURCE: Rick Stroud on Twitter

Dec 10, 2019, 6:36 AM ET

 

 

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15 hours ago, Grahamburn said:

I have no idea if he’ll tone down the hero ball if the defense gets more consistent stops. It seems like it might just be his style. You may have to live with it to get the wow plays.

I was talking to someone today who said "He's the current Brett Favre".

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1 hour ago, fatness said:

I was talking to someone today who said "He's the current Brett Favre".

Naw, that's Fitzpatrick because the media loves him. They scold Jameis, all the time. It's actually sometimes hard to listen to. And ironically they fawn over Jameis's deep ball, which is actually ranked in the last quintile over at the Deep Ball Project, put on as a side hobby by the guys at Football Outsiders. 

To wit: Tampa had the two modern Favres last year and still couldn't figure out how to win, which says a lot about turnovers, the modern game, and how to-the-vest it has become. I mean, we read about passing all the time, but the question usually is, as lod001 will tell you, how deep and how far? True West Coast offenses are things of putridity. Dink. Dank. Dunk. Chains. 

Tampa has none of that ####. I love watching them. I hope they can pull off a winning season, sign Jamies and the core, and continue to be the most fun NFL team to watch on offense. 

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On 12/8/2019 at 2:57 PM, lod001 said:

You let winston leave and play griffin, you are the # 1 pick in 2021. Some team is going to make that correct move.

You really think Griffen brings an 8 win team down to a 2 win team?  Tanking for the top pick is tough in football.  There's always another team that's almost as bad.  A couple weeks into the season, not a single person out there thought Miami would lose that top pick.  You can't play for the top pick in football.... there's a full team of guys trying to win each week.

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13 hours ago, fatness said:

I was talking to someone today who said "He's the current Brett Favre".

I've received a lot of flack for making the same comparison.  Favre was a very similar player.  He won when he had a defense good enough to bail him out occasionally.  Jameis hasn't had that.  

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Watched press interviews on Monday for both Jameis and Arians. Very insightful.  For Jameis he's obviously a leader, smart guy and took full ownership saying he's got to fix the turnovers, totally on him.  He praised the coaching staff for telling him to "keep firing".  He also had nothing on his throwing hand.  No splint, bandage, nothing.  He looked fine.  He said the culture has changed and the team expects to win games and they are focused and ending with 6 wins in a row.  He knows he's fighting for his job/contract.

Arians said his offense is complicated.  Especially for the QB, but really the whole team.  It's an explosive offense that when everyone gets it it's tough to stop.  But it takes time.  Said in year 1 they had a ton of picks in Arizona and that went way down in year 2 as everyone got comfortable with it.  Went over each pick and said it was a variety of factors.  Said in the first one Evans ran the route too short.  Then Jameis tried to throw over a taller linebacker which he needs to be more aware of.  But it started with the route.  On the pick 6 he was furious with the missed block by the rb (not sure which one was in there) and said if the block is made Brate is wide open in the middle to walk in the end zone.  Again made his point that the whole team needs to get better picking up the offense.  Overall he praised Winston and the team for fighting and coming back.  He said Winston was afraid of making mistakes earlier and afraid to throw the ball.  What he liked most is right after they pick 6 he led them to a score. He wants him to keep firing downfield. He thinks Winston will be fine for Sunday.  

I don't love Evans being gone but I'm still hoping with these 2 playoff matchups Jameis can get it done.  He still has enough receivers to throw to with Godwin, Perriman, Watson, Howard, Brate, etc.  Detroit will blitz. If he gets time still should have a solid day.  

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8 minutes ago, Judge Smails said:

Watched press interviews on Monday for both Jameis and Arians. Very insightful.  For Jameis he's obviously a leader, smart guy and took full ownership saying he's got to fix the turnovers, totally on him.  He praised the coaching staff for telling him to "keep firing".  He also had nothing on his throwing hand.  No splint, bandage, nothing.  He looked fine.  He said the culture has changed and the team expects to win games and they are focused and ending with 6 wins in a row.  He knows he's fighting for his job/contract.

I saw a segment on the NFL network yesterday where it compared Winston's first 69 games to Peyton Manning's first 69, and it looks like this:

Winston vs Manning first 69 games

Completion % - Winston 61.5  Manning 61.3

Pass Yards/Att   Winston 7.7  Manning 7.4

Pass YPG  Winston 271.6  Manning 256.5

TD-Int Ratio  Winston 1.4-1  Manning  1.4-1

Passer Rating  Winston  87.2  Manning  85.6

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30 minutes ago, simey said:

I saw a segment on the NFL network yesterday where it compared Winston's first 69 games to Peyton Manning's first 69, and it looks like this:

Winston vs Manning first 69 games

Completion % - Winston 61.5  Manning 61.3

Pass Yards/Att   Winston 7.7  Manning 7.4

Pass YPG  Winston 271.6  Manning 256.5

TD-Int Ratio  Winston 1.4-1  Manning  1.4-1

Passer Rating  Winston  87.2  Manning  85.6

Wow

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22 hours ago, rockaction said:
On 12/10/2019 at 11:40 PM, fatness said:

I was talking to someone today who said "He's the current Brett Favre".

Naw, that's Fitzpatrick because the media loves him. They scold Jameis, all the time. It's actually sometimes hard to listen to.

Yet Winston is a better QB than Fitzpatrick.

10 hours ago, Grahamburn said:
On 12/10/2019 at 11:40 PM, fatness said:

I was talking to someone today who said "He's the current Brett Favre".

I've received a lot of flack for making the same comparison.

It's a good comparison and we all know why the media coverage and resulting popular opinion is otherwise.

9 hours ago, Judge Smails said:

Overall he praised Winston and the team for fighting and coming back.  He said Winston was afraid of making mistakes earlier and afraid to throw the ball.  What he liked most is right after they pick 6 he led them to a score. He wants him to keep firing downfield. He thinks Winston will be fine for Sunday.  

Sounds like Brett Favre in his reaction to a game as it's evolving.

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18 hours ago, IHEARTFF said:

That’s not era adjusted, so a little less impressive but certainly underscores that Jameis is a little undervalued. 

Correct.  Same thing with a Favre comparison.  The difference in eras is enormous.  From an efficiency perspective (the turnovers obviously kill him) in today's NFL compared to the other QB's playing right now he's mid to low tier.  The guy is polarizing to say the least.  If the light ever comes though he could be one of the absolute greats. 

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2 hours ago, ffmail4me said:

Crap this is starting to worry me...and I don't have anyone other than Haskins on my roster in one league...yeah I know :ptts:

Me too; I only have Allen as a backup, and I'm trying to convince myself it might be okay "he could rush for 40 and a TD to salvage a decent day." 

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1 hour ago, Cowboysfan8 said:

So I've been spending the last few days convincing myself I'd be OK with Allen at QB.  Now I've got myself worried that Jameis might not be effective or finish the game, and I'm wondering whether I should just bench him for Allen anyway.  The joys of playoff fantasy football with locked rosters.

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1 hour ago, Bayhawks said:

So I've been spending the last few days convincing myself I'd be OK with Allen at QB.  Now I've got myself worried that Jameis might not be effective or finish the game, and I'm wondering whether I should just bench him for Allen anyway.  The joys of playoff fantasy football with locked rosters.

I feel ya

I have Kyler. I’m starting Winston and praying he’s healthy screw it

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Can't wait to seem him in the second year of this system.  If he can cut back on the interceptions the sky is the limit.  They need to get him some better OT's & a better blocking RB.  Ronald Jones can run but can't block worth a crap.  Peyton Barber blocks but is a mediocre runner.  Maybe Arians reunites with David Johnson in 2020

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Jameis Winston completed 28-of-42 passes for 458 yards, four touchdowns, and one interception in Tampa Bay's Week 15 win over the Lions.

Winston became the first quarterback in league history to toss for 450 yards in consecutive outings, topping his career-high yardage (456) from last week's game against the Colts with the third-most passing yards (458) in Bucs history. The free-agent-to-be unsurprisingly opened the game with an interception on Tampa Bay's first possession but responded with a whopping 308 passing yards in the first half that included pitch-and-catch gains of 51, 34, 33, 26, 25, and 22 yards to Breshad Perriman (5/113/3), Chris Godwin (5/121), and Scotty Miller (3/49/1). On pace for a mind-boggling 5,226 yards, 34 touchdowns, and 27 picks, Winston clearly remains a stud fantasy quarterback despite his consistently poor decision making. He'll undoubtedly be a top-five option against the Texans in Week 16.

I feel like I keep saying this over and over. Great fantasy QB and terrible real life one, but when he's facing a terrible defense... yeah, you get games like this.

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34 minutes ago, wgoldsph said:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WinsJa00.htm

Not including today =

55.7 qbr for the year

Played one top ten defense - 20/36 194 1td 3ints

41 sacks

And of course 23 ints

 

He's a great fantasy qb and an awful real life qb.

San Fran may be the only top 10 d now but early in the season Saints, Carolina, Rams and Tennessee were decent.

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29 minutes ago, The Frankman said:

I feel like I keep saying this over and over. Great fantasy QB and terrible real life one, but when he's facing a terrible defense... yeah, you get games like this.

BS. He’s not a terrible real life QB. You want terrible I’ll rattle off a bunch not named Winston. He played fantastic today. Throws a beautiful ball. He makes mistakes over the middle but Arians says QBs throw picks in his offense the first year. Threw for 300 yards 10 times so far and over 400 a few more. Evans and Godwin out still threw to the guys who were in there. 
And he’s a fantastic fantasy QB

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Just now, Judge Smails said:

BS. He’s not a terrible real life QB. You want terrible I’ll rattle off a bunch not named Winston. He played fantastic today. Throws a beautiful ball. He makes mistakes over the middle but Arians says QBs throw picks in his offense the first year. Threw for 300 yards 10 times so far and over 400 a few more. Evans and Godwin out still threw to the guys who were in there. 
And he’s a fantastic fantasy QB

He throws too many picks to be a good real life QB and I don't care what Arians' excuse is, he's always thrown a ton of picks all the way back to college.  Dude can wing it, but he's not going to win you any championships with the way he throws interceptions.

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