The Frankman Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 5 hours ago, voiceofunreason said: Lol, please give me a list of those teams. Out of the nfc there's the panthers and bucs. I'd say Newton will be back. In the AFC there's the Dolphins, Bengals, Chargers and Jags. So 4 teams and Dalton and the rookie qbs take those spots. You're living in a dream world. Nobody is signing a 35 turnover qb to 20 million a year. Are you joking? Cam is gone. Carolina isn't signing Cam to a big money deal after not playing in a year and having another surgery, even if they have to sign another QB/leave it up to Allen/Grier. Andy Dalton isn't staying in Cincy to be a backup, Joe Burrow is going to be drafted by them. Rivers is probably gone barring a miracle. Jags I think are ok with Minshew II being the QB. I'll also say this; Gruden cannot wait to get rid of Derek Carr; Raiders may jettison him if Gruden can find a vet QB he likes. So yeah, Jameis isn't without risk, but if Arians can work with him he at least has upside if he can piece together the mental game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capella Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, voiceofunreason said: Lol, please give me a list of those teams. Out of the nfc there's the panthers and bucs. I'd say Newton will be back. In the AFC there's the Dolphins, Bengals, Chargers and Jags. So 4 teams and Dalton and the rookie qbs take those spots. You're living in a dream world. Nobody is signing a 35 turnover qb to 20 million a year. Dream world I don’t care if this guy signs with the xfl but he’ll sign in Oakland or LAC or Chicago or somebody else desperate for at least 1/20 and probably more. Be happy to bump this in March, it’s a lock. If you don’t think Gruden at least will pay this guy I don’t know what to tell you. Edited December 31, 2019 by Capella Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-OZ- Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 12 hours ago, grateful zed said: favre 2? buy low? Favre had more fire in his belly. 3 hours ago, The Frankman said: Are you joking? Cam is gone. Carolina isn't signing Cam to a big money deal after not playing in a year and having another surgery, even if they have to sign another QB/leave it up to Allen/Grier. Andy Dalton isn't staying in Cincy to be a backup, Joe Burrow is going to be drafted by them. Rivers is probably gone barring a miracle. Jags I think are ok with Minshew II being the QB. I'll also say this; Gruden cannot wait to get rid of Derek Carr; Raiders may jettison him if Gruden can find a vet QB he likes. So yeah, Jameis isn't without risk, but if Arians can work with him he at least has upside if he can piece together the mental game. I'd be interested to see Dalton in Tampa. He could be just good enough to lead them to a WC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamkoza Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 3 hours ago, The Frankman said: Are you joking? Cam is gone. Carolina isn't signing Cam to a big money deal after not playing in a year and having another surgery, even if they have to sign another QB/leave it up to Allen/Grier. Andy Dalton isn't staying in Cincy to be a backup, Joe Burrow is going to be drafted by them. Rivers is probably gone barring a miracle. Jags I think are ok with Minshew II being the QB. I'll also say this; Gruden cannot wait to get rid of Derek Carr; Raiders may jettison him if Gruden can find a vet QB he likes. So yeah, Jameis isn't without risk, but if Arians can work with him he at least has upside if he can piece together the mental game. a gruden jameis partnership would be epic... gruden's ego would say he can reign in jameis.... it would be amazing... would be OK if he stayed with arians next year too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simey Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 3 hours ago, The Frankman said: Are you joking? Cam is gone. Carolina isn't signing Cam to a big money deal after not playing in a year and having another surgery, even if they have to sign another QB/leave it up to Allen/Grier. Carolina doesn't have to sign Cam to big money for him to play next year. He has one year left on his contract. They could have him play next year and prove he is healthy or trade him. They could cut him too. He is a big question mark right now, and Tepper said a decision won't be made on him until he is 100%. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Octopus Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 19 hours ago, voiceofunreason said: If the Bucs drop him he wont be starting anywhere. I’m not sure he should be, but I’m fairly sure he would be starting somewhere next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Octopus Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 4 hours ago, The Frankman said: Are you joking? Cam is gone. Carolina isn't signing Cam to a big money deal after not playing in a year and having another surgery, even if they have to sign another QB/leave it up to Allen/Grier. Andy Dalton isn't staying in Cincy to be a backup, Joe Burrow is going to be drafted by them. Rivers is probably gone barring a miracle. Jags I think are ok with Minshew II being the QB. I'll also say this; Gruden cannot wait to get rid of Derek Carr; Raiders may jettison him if Gruden can find a vet QB he likes. So yeah, Jameis isn't without risk, but if Arians can work with him he at least has upside if he can piece together the mental game. I think they’ll release Cam as well, but he still has one year on his contract at a fairly reasonable salary so if they wanted to keep him it wouldn’t take a big money deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capella Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 15 hours ago, Capella said: Defense finished 5th in DVOA. They were really good the second half. They’ll take a back in the draft. Oline is fine-ish. Team could win 9-10 next year with good qb play and a decent kicker. Also PFF just published their Oline rankings and the Bucs were 7th. Soooooooo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucsfan5493 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 17 hours ago, Capella said: Defense finished 5th in DVOA. They were really good the second half. They’ll take a back in the draft. Oline is fine-ish. Team could win 9-10 next year with good qb play and a decent kicker. If they have good QB play and a decent kicker, 9-10 is the absolute minimum IMO. Hell, they would have had 9 this year with a kicker who could make a 34 yard FG and that was with Jameis being super inconsistent (which easily could happen again next year) and the defense being bad in the first half of the season (if they play like they did over the last 5 games next year, that would be a huge boost). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todem Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 You simply can't win with 30 picks plus fumbles.....seriously? I do not sign him to any kind of big money. Turnovers kill football teams. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SproutDaddy Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 I can only hope the Buccs give him 20+ million a year. Not denying his talent, but he's shown since college his lack of character. Complete moron. There's no way I'd want this guy as the starter of my team. I'd rather draft a rookie. Completely surprised at the Buccs fans defending him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex P Keaton Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 2 hours ago, SproutDaddy said: I can only hope the Buccs give him 20+ million a year. Not denying his talent, but he's shown since college his lack of character. Complete moron. There's no way I'd want this guy as the starter of my team. I'd rather draft a rookie. Completely surprised at the Buccs fans defending him. Would hate to see him on my NFL team. Really glad he helped my team win a fantasy title this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grahamburn Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 19 hours ago, SproutDaddy said: I can only hope the Buccs give him 20+ million a year. Not denying his talent, but he's shown since college his lack of character. Complete moron. There's no way I'd want this guy as the starter of my team. I'd rather draft a rookie. Completely surprised at the Buccs fans defending him. Bucs’ fans haven’t had much great, or even good, QB play. Jameis is polarizing because you see the talent. The constant barrage of wow throws and great plays. Then he’ll do something that kills your chances at a W. It’s kind of like playing the lotto. You dream about what could be “if,” but chances are you just keep on living your mediocre life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faust Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 What does Jameis Winston's 33 TD/30 INT season tell us about his future? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faust Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Jameis Winston’s dynasty fantasy outlook for 2020 and beyond Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faust Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Jameis Winston comp at the center of Buccaneers QB questions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faust Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 Quote Jameis Winston was seen with a cast on his injured right thumb in an Instagram story posted Tuesday. The former Heisman winner suffered a hairline fracture in his throwing thumb in Week 14 but still appeared in all 16 games for Tampa Bay. The cast would suggest Winston underwent surgery at some point. Headed for free agency this offseason, most reports suggest the Bucs will retain Winston on the franchise tag, which carries a projected $26.895 million salary for 2020. The fifth-year gunslinger led the sport in passing yards this past season—his 5,109 were the eighth-most in NFL history—but also committed a league-high 30 interceptions. SOURCE: Greg Auman on Twitter Jan 14, 2020, 4:03 PM ET Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faust Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 Jameis Winston Undergoes Lasik Eye Surgery After Throwing 30 INT in 2019 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faust Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 Quote Jameis Winston underwent LASIK surgery to repair his vision. It's not a game-changer, but it is notable with Winston eyeing (no pun intended) a new contract. The 26-year-old has infamously squinted as a result of being nearsighted throughout his career, leading coach Bruce Arians to state he "can’t read the scoreboard but he can see the guys in front of him" in his final press conference. Winston led the NFL with 5,109 passing yards and 33 touchdowns last year but is obviously having his decision-making questioned for the 30 picks that went with those marks. It's unknown if anyone associated with the team requested Winston have the surgery. SOURCE: ProFootballTalk on Twitter Feb 12, 2020, 4:52 PM ET Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWinz Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 Has the NFL's passing yardage leader ever lost his job the following year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankman Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 Eff it. Gamechanger. Gonna draft him in the 8th round upcoming fantasy football season in a 14 teamer. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travdogg Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 1 hour ago, TheWinz said: Has the NFL's passing yardage leader ever lost his job the following year? To the best of my knowledge, never. On the flip side though, when was the last time a guy threw 30 INT's and kept his job? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWinz Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 5 hours ago, travdogg said: To the best of my knowledge, never. On the flip side though, when was the last time a guy threw 30 INT's and kept his job? Favre threw 29 and kept his. And he had 13 less TD's and over 1200 less yards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZWK Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 6 hours ago, TheWinz said: Has the NFL's passing yardage leader ever lost his job the following year? The Packers traded Tobin Rote to the Lions after he led the NFL in passing yards & touchdowns. Rote proceeded to lead the Lions to an NFL title over the Browns. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bombjack Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 12 hours ago, Faust said: This sounds so crazy to me. A #1 overall pick who has thrown countless bad interceptions. The team has known he has eyesight problems and they never forced the issue for corrective lenses? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grahamburn Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 6 minutes ago, bombjack said: This sounds so crazy to me. A #1 overall pick who has thrown countless bad interceptions. The team has known he has eyesight problems and they never forced the issue for corrective lenses? Quote LASIK is FDA-approved for those 18 and older. Most providers encourage young adults to wait until their mid-20s because, until this time, a person's prescription may be still changing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bombjack Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Grahamburn said: Fair, but what about contacts or goggles / glasses? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grahamburn Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 42 minutes ago, bombjack said: Fair, but what about contacts or goggles / glasses? He has mentioned in the past that contacts bothered him when he played. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWinz Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 Jameis Winston, astronaut. A man barely alive. Gentlemen, we can rebuild him. We have the technology. We have the capability to build the world's first bionic man. Jameis Winston will be that man. Better than he was before. Better, stronger, faster. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tangfoot Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 1 hour ago, TheWinz said: Jameis Winston, astronaut. A man barely alive. Gentlemen, we can rebuild him. We have the technology. We have the capability to build the world's first bionic man. Jameis Winston will be that man. Better than he was before. Better, stronger, faster. Am I the only one who heard the sound effect in my head as they were reading this? 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leroy Hoard Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 I gotta say I never saw this coming. But then again, neither did Jameis. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tangfoot Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 11 minutes ago, Leroy Hoard said: I gotta say I never saw this coming. But then again, neither did Jameis. I'm genuinely surprised you didn't see this coming, based on your avatar. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voiceofunreason Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 10 hours ago, Grahamburn said: He has mentioned in the past that contacts bothered him when he played. Gotta keep the excuse for his contract year. Strangely he could see his teammates just not the other defenders. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwinTurbo Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 Jokes aside, the thing I really don't trust about him is the staying in shape situation. This is the guy that if you hand him a huge contract now, he's never lifting a weight or running on a treadmill ever again. Then on the other side of that equation, you have Cam Newton who did do all those things and still played terrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwinTurbo Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 15 hours ago, bombjack said: This sounds so crazy to me. A #1 overall pick who has thrown countless bad interceptions. The team has known he has eyesight problems and they never forced the issue for corrective lenses? It's like an NFL reboot of Major League except in this version Ricky Vaughn plays QB and gets Lasik. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leroy Hoard Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 3 hours ago, voiceofunreason said: Gotta keep the excuse for his contract year. Strangely he could see his teammates just not the other defenders. I'm thinking that he couldn't tell the difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inyoutees Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 6 hours ago, Leroy Hoard said: I'm thinking that he couldn't tell the difference. Jokes aside, I'm honestly curious what the outcome here will be. PFF has Winston's poor production overwhelmingly on deep passes/routes, despite the stereotype I had of him being a deep gunslinger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockaction Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 6 minutes ago, inyoutees said: Jokes aside, I'm honestly curious what the outcome here will be. PFF has Winston's poor production overwhelmingly on deep passes/routes, despite the stereotype I had of him being a deep gunslinger Deep Ball Project over at Football Outsiders also has him rated lowly on truly deep passes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leroy Hoard Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, inyoutees said: Jokes aside, I'm honestly curious what the outcome here will be. PFF has Winston's poor production overwhelmingly on deep passes/routes, despite the stereotype I had of him being a deep gunslinger From an FF perspective he's been underrated imo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voiceofunreason Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 6 hours ago, Leroy Hoard said: I'm thinking that he couldn't tell the difference. Lasik fixes being color blind? Cool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voiceofunreason Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 1 minute ago, rockaction said: Deep Ball Project over at Football Outsiders also has him rated lowly on truly deep passes. Never clicked with DeSean Jackson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acme Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 On 2/13/2020 at 4:55 AM, ZWK said: The Packers traded Tobin Rote to the Lions after he led the NFL in passing yards & touchdowns. Rote proceeded to lead the Lions to an NFL title over the Browns. ahhhh... the good old days... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWinz Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 Does he remain the TB starter for 2020? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockaction Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, TheWinz said: Does he remain the TB starter for 2020? I have Godwin in dynasty now, so I hope so. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ffmail4me Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 I think the Bucs are stupid if they don't at least give him one more year. He's more familiar with the system, he got his vision corrected, and its not like there are tons of guys walking around that have thrown 5000 yards and 30TDs. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankman Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 2 hours ago, ffmail4me said: I think the Bucs are stupid if they don't at least give him one more year. He's more familiar with the system, he got his vision corrected, and its not like there are tons of guys walking around that have thrown 5000 yards and 30TDs. This. I mean if you could actually sign a better guy in FA go for it. But is Andy Dalton really anywhere near Winston's current ceiling? He'll be cheaper but that's it. Philip Rivers? LOL. Teddy Bridgewater? Certainly less error prone but risk averse also. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ffmail4me Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 Exactly, I think the only direction they go is backwards if they cut him and sign someone else or start a rookie. But maybe that's what they want to do? Tank for Point Break? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voiceofunreason Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 8 hours ago, ffmail4me said: I think the Bucs are stupid if they don't at least give him one more year. He's more familiar with the system, he got his vision corrected, and its not like there are tons of guys walking around that have thrown 5000 yards and 30TDs. He’s a coach killer. Move on. Better chance of winning with Dalton. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travdogg Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 9 hours ago, rockaction said: I have Godwin in dynasty now, so I hope so. Godwin might be even better with Rivers. Godwin is in a lot of ways, a more athletic Keenan Allen, and the Bucs pass protect a ton better than the Chargers do, and don't get super run heavy inside the redzone like the Chargers do. 9 hours ago, ffmail4me said: I think the Bucs are stupid if they don't at least give him one more year. He's more familiar with the system, he got his vision corrected, and its not like there are tons of guys walking around that have thrown 5000 yards and 30TDs. Just because he threw for 5,000 yards and 30 TD's, doesn't mean he was a good, or even decent QB last year. Baker Mayfield was the only QB last year with a worse TD/INT ratio. Only Mayfield and Josh Allen had a worse comp%, and only Mayfield had a worse passer rating among 16 game starters. Unlike those guys Winston isn't a guy in his first 30 starts he's a guy with 5 years starting. Winston isn't a good QB. He shouldn't be starting for anyone in my opinion. He hasn't improved one bit since his rookie year, and has arguably regressed. Its ironic since they shared a team, but he's basically Fitzpatrick. He can get hot for short stretches, but never sustains it. Let's not forget with the same weapons, Fitzpatrick outplayed Winston in 2018. Tampa Bay is set up very well for fantasy purposes. But, NFL wise, Winston hurt them more than he helped them. Rivers would add at least 2 wins to the team, Dalton would be an upgrade as well. Tampa has the best 1-2 punch at WR in the NFL a solid o-line, a good playcaller, and arguably the division with the least amount of defense. Its almost ideal conditions for a QB. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Beaufort Zod Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 7 hours ago, The Frankman said: This. I mean if you could actually sign a better guy in FA go for it. But is Andy Dalton really anywhere near Winston's current ceiling? He'll be cheaper but that's it. Philip Rivers? LOL. Teddy Bridgewater? Certainly less error prone but risk averse also. Not in stats, but the team doesn't care about that. Will Dalton put them in bad positions that require slinging it like crazy in the second half? Will he make the wrong throw at exactly the wrong time? Will he turn it over nearly three dozen times? Dalton won't make the Bucs a more explosive team, or more fun to watch. But he just might make them a better team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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