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5 hours ago, voiceofunreason said:

Lol, please give me a list of those teams. Out of the nfc there's the panthers and bucs. I'd say Newton will be back. In the AFC there's the Dolphins, Bengals, Chargers and Jags. So 4 teams and Dalton and the rookie qbs take those spots. You're living in a dream world. Nobody is signing a 35 turnover qb to 20 million a year.

Are you joking?

 

Cam is gone. Carolina isn't signing Cam to a big money deal after not playing in a year and having another surgery, even if they have to sign another QB/leave it up to Allen/Grier.

Andy Dalton isn't staying in Cincy to be a backup, Joe Burrow is going to be drafted by them.

Rivers is probably gone barring a miracle.

Jags I think are ok with Minshew II being the QB.

I'll also say this; Gruden cannot wait to get rid of Derek Carr; Raiders may jettison him if Gruden can find a vet QB he likes.

 

So yeah, Jameis isn't without risk, but if Arians can work with him he at least has upside if he can piece together the mental game.

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8 hours ago, voiceofunreason said:

Lol, please give me a list of those teams. Out of the nfc there's the panthers and bucs. I'd say Newton will be back. In the AFC there's the Dolphins, Bengals, Chargers and Jags. So 4 teams and Dalton and the rookie qbs take those spots. You're living in a dream world. Nobody is signing a 35 turnover qb to 20 million a year.

Dream world :lmao: I don’t care if this guy signs with the xfl but he’ll sign in Oakland or LAC or Chicago or somebody else desperate for at least 1/20 and probably more. Be happy to bump this in March, it’s a lock. If you don’t think Gruden at least will pay this guy I don’t know what to tell you. 

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12 hours ago, grateful zed said:

favre 2?

buy low?

Favre had more fire in his belly. 

3 hours ago, The Frankman said:

Are you joking?

 

Cam is gone. Carolina isn't signing Cam to a big money deal after not playing in a year and having another surgery, even if they have to sign another QB/leave it up to Allen/Grier.

Andy Dalton isn't staying in Cincy to be a backup, Joe Burrow is going to be drafted by them.

Rivers is probably gone barring a miracle.

Jags I think are ok with Minshew II being the QB.

I'll also say this; Gruden cannot wait to get rid of Derek Carr; Raiders may jettison him if Gruden can find a vet QB he likes.

 

So yeah, Jameis isn't without risk, but if Arians can work with him he at least has upside if he can piece together the mental game.

I'd be interested to see Dalton in Tampa. He could be just good enough to lead them to a WC.

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3 hours ago, The Frankman said:

Are you joking?

 

Cam is gone. Carolina isn't signing Cam to a big money deal after not playing in a year and having another surgery, even if they have to sign another QB/leave it up to Allen/Grier.

Andy Dalton isn't staying in Cincy to be a backup, Joe Burrow is going to be drafted by them.

Rivers is probably gone barring a miracle.

Jags I think are ok with Minshew II being the QB.

I'll also say this; Gruden cannot wait to get rid of Derek Carr; Raiders may jettison him if Gruden can find a vet QB he likes.

 

So yeah, Jameis isn't without risk, but if Arians can work with him he at least has upside if he can piece together the mental game.

a gruden jameis partnership would be epic... gruden's ego would say he can reign in jameis.... it would be amazing... would be OK if he stayed with arians next year too

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3 hours ago, The Frankman said:

Are you joking?

Cam is gone. Carolina isn't signing Cam to a big money deal after not playing in a year and having another surgery, even if they have to sign another QB/leave it up to Allen/Grier.

Carolina doesn't have to sign Cam to big money for him to play next year. He has one year left on his contract. They could have him play next year and prove he is healthy or trade him. They could cut him too.  He is a big question mark right now, and Tepper said a decision won't be made on him until he is 100%.

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4 hours ago, The Frankman said:

Are you joking?

 

Cam is gone. Carolina isn't signing Cam to a big money deal after not playing in a year and having another surgery, even if they have to sign another QB/leave it up to Allen/Grier.

Andy Dalton isn't staying in Cincy to be a backup, Joe Burrow is going to be drafted by them.

Rivers is probably gone barring a miracle.

Jags I think are ok with Minshew II being the QB.

I'll also say this; Gruden cannot wait to get rid of Derek Carr; Raiders may jettison him if Gruden can find a vet QB he likes.

 

So yeah, Jameis isn't without risk, but if Arians can work with him he at least has upside if he can piece together the mental game.

I think they’ll release Cam as well, but he still has one year on his contract at a fairly reasonable salary so if they wanted to keep him it wouldn’t take a big money deal.

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15 hours ago, Capella said:

Defense finished 5th in DVOA. They were really good the second half. They’ll take a back in the draft. Oline is fine-ish. Team could win 9-10 next year with good qb play and a decent kicker. 

Also PFF just published their Oline rankings and the Bucs were 7th. Soooooooo

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17 hours ago, Capella said:

Defense finished 5th in DVOA. They were really good the second half. They’ll take a back in the draft. Oline is fine-ish. Team could win 9-10 next year with good qb play and a decent kicker. 

If they have good QB play and a decent kicker, 9-10 is the absolute minimum IMO. Hell, they would have had 9 this year with a kicker who could make a 34 yard FG and that was with Jameis being super inconsistent (which easily could happen again next year) and the defense being bad in the first half of the season (if they play like they did over the last 5 games next year, that would be a huge boost).

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I can only hope the Buccs give him 20+ million a year.  Not denying his talent, but he's shown since college his lack of character.  Complete moron.  There's no way I'd want this guy as the starter of my team.  I'd rather draft a rookie.  Completely surprised at the Buccs fans defending him.

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2 hours ago, SproutDaddy said:

I can only hope the Buccs give him 20+ million a year.  Not denying his talent, but he's shown since college his lack of character.  Complete moron.  There's no way I'd want this guy as the starter of my team.  I'd rather draft a rookie.  Completely surprised at the Buccs fans defending him.

Would hate to see him on my NFL team.  Really glad he helped my team win a fantasy title this year.

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19 hours ago, SproutDaddy said:

I can only hope the Buccs give him 20+ million a year.  Not denying his talent, but he's shown since college his lack of character.  Complete moron.  There's no way I'd want this guy as the starter of my team.  I'd rather draft a rookie.  Completely surprised at the Buccs fans defending him.

Bucs’ fans haven’t had much great, or even good, QB play. Jameis is polarizing because you see the talent. The constant barrage of wow throws and great plays. Then he’ll do something that kills your chances at a W.

It’s kind of like playing the lotto. You dream about what could be “if,” but chances are you just keep on living your mediocre life. 

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Jameis Winston was seen with a cast on his injured right thumb in an Instagram story posted Tuesday.

The former Heisman winner suffered a hairline fracture in his throwing thumb in Week 14 but still appeared in all 16 games for Tampa Bay. The cast would suggest Winston underwent surgery at some point. Headed for free agency this offseason, most reports suggest the Bucs will retain Winston on the franchise tag, which carries a projected $26.895 million salary for 2020. The fifth-year gunslinger led the sport in passing yards this past season—his 5,109 were the eighth-most in NFL history—but also committed a league-high 30 interceptions.

SOURCE: Greg Auman on Twitter

Jan 14, 2020, 4:03 PM ET

 

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Jameis Winston underwent LASIK surgery to repair his vision.

It's not a game-changer, but it is notable with Winston eyeing (no pun intended) a new contract. The 26-year-old has infamously squinted as a result of being nearsighted throughout his career, leading coach Bruce Arians to state he "can’t read the scoreboard but he can see the guys in front of him" in his final press conference. Winston led the NFL with 5,109 passing yards and 33 touchdowns last year but is obviously having his decision-making questioned for the 30 picks that went with those marks. It's unknown if anyone associated with the team requested Winston have the surgery.

SOURCE: ProFootballTalk on Twitter

Feb 12, 2020, 4:52 PM ET

 

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6 hours ago, TheWinz said:

Has the NFL's passing yardage leader ever lost his job the following year?

The Packers traded Tobin Rote to the Lions after he led the NFL in passing yards & touchdowns. Rote proceeded to lead the Lions to an NFL title over the Browns.

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6 minutes ago, bombjack said:

This sounds so crazy to me. A #1 overall pick who has thrown countless bad interceptions.

The team has known he has eyesight problems and they never forced the issue for corrective lenses?

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LASIK is FDA-approved for those 18 and older. Most providers encourage young adults to wait until their mid-20s because, until this time, a person's prescription may be still changing.

 

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Jameis Winston, astronaut.  A man barely alive.  Gentlemen, we can rebuild him.  We have the technology.  We have the capability to build the world's first bionic man.  Jameis Winston will be that man. Better than he was before.  Better, stronger, faster.

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1 hour ago, TheWinz said:

Jameis Winston, astronaut.  A man barely alive.  Gentlemen, we can rebuild him.  We have the technology.  We have the capability to build the world's first bionic man.  Jameis Winston will be that man. Better than he was before.  Better, stronger, faster.

Am I the only one who heard the sound effect in my head as they were reading this?

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Jokes aside, the thing I really don't trust about him is the staying in shape situation. This is the guy that if you hand him a huge contract now, he's never lifting a weight or running on a treadmill ever again. Then on the other side of that equation, you have Cam Newton who did do all those things and still played terrible. 

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15 hours ago, bombjack said:

This sounds so crazy to me. A #1 overall pick who has thrown countless bad interceptions.

The team has known he has eyesight problems and they never forced the issue for corrective lenses?

It's like an NFL reboot of Major League except in this version Ricky Vaughn plays QB and gets Lasik. 

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6 minutes ago, inyoutees said:

Jokes aside, I'm honestly curious what the outcome here will be.  PFF has Winston's poor production overwhelmingly on deep passes/routes, despite the stereotype I had of him being a deep gunslinger

Deep Ball Project over at Football Outsiders also has him rated lowly on truly deep passes. 

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4 minutes ago, inyoutees said:

Jokes aside, I'm honestly curious what the outcome here will be.  PFF has Winston's poor production overwhelmingly on deep passes/routes, despite the stereotype I had of him being a deep gunslinger

From an FF perspective he's been underrated imo. 

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2 hours ago, ffmail4me said:

I think the Bucs are stupid if they don't at least give him one more year. He's more familiar with the system, he got his vision corrected, and its not like there are tons of guys walking around that have thrown 5000 yards and 30TDs. 

This. I mean if you could actually sign a better guy in FA go for it. But is Andy Dalton really anywhere near Winston's current ceiling? He'll be cheaper but that's it. Philip Rivers? LOL. Teddy Bridgewater? Certainly less error prone but risk averse also.

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8 hours ago, ffmail4me said:

I think the Bucs are stupid if they don't at least give him one more year. He's more familiar with the system, he got his vision corrected, and its not like there are tons of guys walking around that have thrown 5000 yards and 30TDs. 

He’s a coach killer. Move on. Better chance of winning with Dalton.

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9 hours ago, rockaction said:

I have Godwin in dynasty now, so I hope so. 

Godwin might be even better with Rivers. Godwin is in a lot of ways, a more athletic Keenan Allen, and the Bucs pass protect a ton better than the Chargers do, and don't get super run heavy inside the redzone like the Chargers do.

 

9 hours ago, ffmail4me said:

I think the Bucs are stupid if they don't at least give him one more year. He's more familiar with the system, he got his vision corrected, and its not like there are tons of guys walking around that have thrown 5000 yards and 30TDs. 

Just because he threw for 5,000 yards and 30 TD's, doesn't mean he was a good, or even decent QB last year. Baker Mayfield was the only QB last year with a worse TD/INT ratio. Only Mayfield and Josh Allen had a worse comp%, and only Mayfield had a worse passer rating among 16 game starters. Unlike those guys Winston isn't a guy in his first 30 starts he's a guy with 5 years starting. 

Winston isn't a good QB. He shouldn't be starting for anyone in my opinion. He hasn't improved one bit since his rookie year, and has arguably regressed. Its ironic since they shared a team, but he's basically Fitzpatrick. He can get hot for short stretches, but never sustains it. Let's not forget with the same weapons, Fitzpatrick outplayed Winston in 2018.

Tampa Bay is set up very well for fantasy purposes. But, NFL wise, Winston hurt them more than he helped them. Rivers would add at least 2 wins to the team, Dalton would be an upgrade as well. Tampa has the best 1-2 punch at WR in the NFL a solid o-line, a good playcaller, and arguably the division with the least amount of defense. Its almost ideal conditions for a QB.

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7 hours ago, The Frankman said:

This. I mean if you could actually sign a better guy in FA go for it. But is Andy Dalton really anywhere near Winston's current ceiling? He'll be cheaper but that's it. Philip Rivers? LOL. Teddy Bridgewater? Certainly less error prone but risk averse also.

Not in stats, but the team doesn't care about that. Will Dalton put them in bad positions that require slinging it like crazy in the second half? Will he make the wrong throw at exactly the wrong time? Will he turn it over nearly three dozen times?

Dalton won't make the Bucs a more explosive team, or more fun to watch. But he just might make them a better team. 

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