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NEWS:   Speaking Thursday, Martavis Bryant declined comment on reports that he is facing another suspension. Advice: "I don’t know nothing about none of that," Bryant said. It's hardly

Earlier in this thread I believe I referred to him having a ten cent head. I may have overestimated that value

3 hours ago, Godsbrother said:

Well he did drop one that was right in his hands a few weeks ago

However the bottom line is that the Steelers offense isn't the same as it was back in 2015.  Back then it was Ben's offense but by mid last season it became LeVeon Bell's offense.  The Steelers rode on Bell's back last season and through the playoffs.  Todd Haley seemed to forget that earlier this season but the bottom line is the Steelers win when Bell has 30+ touches a game.  

The only receiver getting a consistent amount of targets is AB and the other receivers need to accept that.  The Steelers are not going to succeed if Ben has to throw it 40 times.  Bryant needs to come to grips with that and enjoy the win.  He'll eventually get more opportunities if he stays focused but it is unlikely he'll get more than 5 or 6 targets on a consistent basis.  Sorry if he doesn't like it...

I will begin my comment by saying I am sure you know much more about the Steelers than I do so I'll accept the response if you shoot it down but.. I'm having a hard time buying that the Steelers can't or won't win it all if Ben throw a lot. It seems they have been most dangerous/ successful when they do just that ( except against the Ravens and patriots who seem to know the formula).  

The problem I see with anyteam, with rare exception, to the present formula is it is rare you can give aRB that many touches every week and still have him running on a full tank of gas in January.  Defenses almost always lose a few people here and there throughout the year so relying on these two things seems like a great formula to win fantasy leagues but a poker one for winning real ones. Especially in this day and age where QBs can Chuck the ball around all day and be more protected than ever in doing so.  

I think their best bet would be to play " step on the gas and throw it all around too everyone, kind of like the Patriots do except they would have a better defenses. 

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I thought for sure he was gonna go off, I almost cut him, then pulled it back off waivers, then benched him, and almost started him after I saw some comments about increased usage.. now I don't know what to do.. I think I might just cut him at this point, I can't see myself starting him and I think I would rather take a chance on a corey davis who's out there...

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19 minutes ago, Shutout said:

I will begin my comment by saying I am sure you know much more about the Steelers than I do so I'll accept the response if you shoot it down but.. I'm having a hard time buying that the Steelers can't or won't win it all if Ben throw a lot. It seems they have been most dangerous/ successful when they do just that ( except against the Ravens and patriots who seem to know the formula).  

The problem I see with anyteam, with rare exception, to the present formula is it is rare you can give aRB that many touches every week and still have him running on a full tank of gas in January.  Defenses almost always lose a few people here and there throughout the year so relying on these two things seems like a great formula to win fantasy leagues but a poker one for winning real ones. Especially in this day and age where QBs can Chuck the ball around all day and be more protected than ever in doing so.  

I think their best bet would be to play " step on the gas and throw it all around too everyone, kind of like the Patriots do except they would have a better defenses. 

Dating back to 2015, when Ben throws the ball 40+ times, the Steelers are 3-7.  When he throws for under 40 attempts, the team is 23-5.  Their success rate clearly goes up dramatically when he's not chucking it all over the place.  They have a top 3 weapon in the league in Bell and he really needs to remain the center piece of the offense.  

ETA - And apologies for the tangent as this should probably go in the Steelers thread.

 

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5 minutes ago, fred_1_15301 said:

Dating back to 2015, when Ben throws the ball 40+ times, the Steelers are 3-7.  When he throws for under 40 attempts, the team is 23-5.  Their success rate clearly goes up dramatically when he's not chucking it all over the place.  They have a top 3 weapon in the league in Bell and he really needs to remain the center piece of the offense.  

ETA - And apologies for the tangent as this should probably go in the Steelers thread.

 

Interestingly, in 2015 when Bryant last played, the Steelers were 6-2 in games where he threw for 300 yards or more.  

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1 minute ago, packersfan said:

Interestingly, in 2015 when Bryant last played, the Steelers were 6-2 in games where he threw for 300 yards or more.  

IMO it's not in the best interest for the Steelers to be throwing the ball all over the place.  I think they've shown to be more effective when Bell is the workhorse.  The Steelers have a pretty solid defense so it's not like they need to win in shootouts.  Ben has looked off this year and is more prone to making costly turnovers when he's chucking it all over the place (see Jacksonville game).  They've clearly designed a winning formula that doesn't rely on pass heavy offense IMO.  

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2 minutes ago, fred_1_15301 said:

IMO it's not in the best interest for the Steelers to be throwing the ball all over the place.  I think they've shown to be more effective when Bell is the workhorse.  The Steelers have a pretty solid defense so it's not like they need to win in shootouts.  Ben has looked off this year and is more prone to making costly turnovers when he's chucking it all over the place (see Jacksonville game).  They've clearly designed a winning formula that doesn't rely on pass heavy offense IMO.  

Agree 100%with Fred here although I think he would agree that they could mix in just a little more Conner/Watson in spots to take some of the workload off Bell.

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47 minutes ago, thehoch said:

If you aren't going to use him, trade him. I think Ben is the problem. He is d#$# and wants to teach him a lesson for lying to him and/or wants him gone and doesn't like him.

Trade him then.......Martavis deserves and opportunity to play, he has world class talent, and most importantly wants an opportunity to show his abilities so he can make more money. I don't blame him to be honest.

He is second on the team for WR snap counts.   Maybe he should get open more

 

Yesterday he was on the field for 52% of offensive plays

JuJu 44%

 

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3 minutes ago, belljr said:

He is second on the team for WR snap counts.   Maybe he should get open more

 

Yesterday he was on the field for 52% of offensive plays

JuJu 44%

 

As I posted before he's had 5 targets the past two games. Targets/usage is far more accurate in assessing a player's value and role than snap counts in my opinion. 

Though it could be more accurate to remove the running plays from Bryant's snap counts and then see how often he was being used in passing situations. He was on the field for nearly every running play in the fourth quarter when the Steelers were milking the clock. That bumps up his snap counts but doesn't tell us anything meaningful about his role in the passing game.

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44 minutes ago, thehoch said:

If you aren't going to use him, trade him. I think Ben is the problem. He is d#$# and wants to teach him a lesson for lying to him and/or wants him gone and doesn't like him.

Trade him then.......Martavis deserves and opportunity to play, he has world class talent, and most importantly wants an opportunity to show his abilities so he can make more money. I don't blame him to be honest.

Martavis missed 4 games in 2014 due to pot then was suspended for the entire year last season and left the team with 1 decent WR last year.   We're not even 1/2 way through this season and has whined about not getting enough opportunities and wants traded and worse yet calling out teammates.    

Now reports are that he missed a mandatory meeting today  - he doesn't seem very deserving to me.

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12 minutes ago, fred_1_15301 said:

IMO it's not in the best interest for the Steelers to be throwing the ball all over the place.  I think they've shown to be more effective when Bell is the workhorse.  The Steelers have a pretty solid defense so it's not like they need to win in shootouts.  Ben has looked off this year and is more prone to making costly turnovers when he's chucking it all over the place (see Jacksonville game).  They've clearly designed a winning formula that doesn't rely on pass heavy offense IMO.  

If their defense continues to play like it has the past two games I agree a more conservative approach works well. I'm not sure that approach can beat the Patriots, though. That would seem to be the exact kind of game where a big play threat like Bryant opposite Brown and mixed in with Bell would be a huge asset. But I'm not sure you can just flip that switch on if you haven't played the whole season.  

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3 minutes ago, belljr said:

He is second on the team for WR snap counts.   Maybe he should get open more

 

Yesterday he was on the field for 52% of offensive plays

JuJu 44%

 

Thank you.  I'm going to stop responding to each individual post because it's going nowhere, but it's clear Martavis won't be happy unless he's getting 8-10 looks a game, regardless of what he does with those touches.  He's the #2 receiver on a team with a target vacuum (rightfully so) as the #1 and an all-world RB that commands a lot of looks.  He's also being outplayed by a 20-year old rookie.

If he's pissed that JuJu is getting more looks and he is getting less, maybe he should look at what he's doing with the targets he does get.

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19 minutes ago, Evilgrin 72 said:

Thank you.  I'm going to stop responding to each individual post because it's going nowhere, but it's clear Martavis won't be happy unless he's getting 8-10 looks a game, regardless of what he does with those touches.  He's the #2 receiver on a team with a target vacuum (rightfully so) as the #1 and an all-world RB that commands a lot of looks.  He's also being outplayed by a 20-year old rookie.

If he's pissed that JuJu is getting more looks and he is getting less, maybe he should look at what he's doing with the targets he does get.

Caught the only one he could've caught yesterday so 100%.

That seems pretty decent.

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22 minutes ago, packersfan said:

As I posted before he's had 5 targets the past two games. Targets/usage is far more accurate in assessing a player's value and role than snap counts in my opinion. 

Though it could be more accurate to remove the running plays from Bryant's snap counts and then see how often he was being used in passing situations. He was on the field for nearly every running play in the fourth quarter when the Steelers were milking the clock. That bumps up his snap counts but doesn't tell us anything meaningful about his role in the passing game.

Usage :shrug:

Pass plays only

juju 

	ToGo Num Pct
	0-3 3 11.5%
	4-6 4 15.4%
	7-10 17 65.4%
	11+ 2 7.7%
	Avg7.92

Bryant
	
	ToGo Num Pct
	0-3 3 8.3%
	4-6 4 11.1%
	7-10 23 63.9%
	11+ 6 16.7%
	Avg10.31
	
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8 minutes ago, ChuckLiddell said:

They gave away Santonio Holmes for nothing a few years ago when he started to become a distraction.

I know they probably won't trade him but they really should. He now has teammates getting upset about having to talk about all this. The team is doing well and has a winning formula in place and they're just going to pretend all this will go away? It clearly won't. They're phasing Bryant out and it's only going to get worse in all probability.  

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27 minutes ago, Godsbrother said:

Agree 100%with Fred here although I think he would agree that they could mix in just a little more Conner/Watson in spots to take some of the workload off Bell.

Agreed.  They also mentioned during the telecast yesterday that the Steelers are something like 18-0 when Bell has 25+ carries in his career.  Those numbers may be a little off, I don't recall exactly what they said, but it was something absurd like that.  The recipe for success for the Steelers is pretty simple, give Bell 25 carries, throw 25-30 times a game.  Throw most of those balls to AB, if and when teams roll multiple defenders to him, take what they give you.  End of story.  That might mean 7-8 targets for Martavis, it might mean 2-3.  Them's the breaks.

 

I guarantee you if he caught that bomb against Chicago that he could have had, or if he'd even been able to locate the ball yesterday (whether or not he could catch it), or if he would stop gaining 2-3 yards on every screen and actually made someone miss or didn't get tripped up by a hand on his foot from behind, they'd get the ball to him more.

 

Also, calling out sick isn't going to help his cause.  This guy needs to grow up and fast.  I don't want to hear the rote, scripted "I'm just passionate, man... that's my love and passion for the game, I just got frustrated, I want to contribute, I want to help the team..." horse #### either.  I agree that the NFL rules surrounding marijuana use are archaic and stupid, but they're absolutely clear.  This cat missed 20 ####ing games due to suspension.  The team can't count on him.  He's done absolutely nothing with the opportunities he HAS gotten this year, and he's going to pout over his targets?  Good Lord.

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3 minutes ago, packersfan said:

Caught the only one he could've caught yesterday so 100%.

That seems pretty decent.

I'm not going to argue with you.  If you think he's a game-breaker right now and that the Steelers have decided to, whether as a punitive measure or a sign of their own ineptitude, put him in moth balls, then that's your take and you're welcome to it.  I disagree.  I don't believe the team would cut off its nose to spite its face in that fashion.

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5 minutes ago, packersfan said:

Caught the only one he could've caught yesterday so 100%.

That seems pretty decent.

I will have to take another look on the deep pass attempt but I am not sure the effort was all there.  It seems like he broke inside while Ben was throwing to the outside. I'm not sure it would have been catchable anyway but Bryant and Ben certainly looked like they weren't on the same page. 

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9 minutes ago, Evilgrin 72 said:

I'm not going to argue with you.  If you think he's a game-breaker right now and that the Steelers have decided to, whether as a punitive measure or a sign of their own ineptitude, put him in moth balls, then that's your take and you're welcome to it.  I disagree.  I don't believe the team would cut off its nose to spite its face in that fashion.

I've said I have no idea what's going on. If there is an effort issue why the hell is he even on the field at all? Why were they increasing his practice work as reports indicated and then backed off that immediately when the game began? The whole thing strikes me as seriously messed up. If you don't think Bryant can play at his 2015 level sit his ### and play Juju and/or Eli and move on. It's like they're half-assing their way around this situation. They've significantly cut his usage the past two games and nearly ignored him completely yesterday. Ben isn't throwing to him and defenses are loading up to try and stop Brown. At some point wouldn't you want to put someone on the field more who you will throw the ball to?

I think this whole situation is f'd. I'm not absolving Bryant of blame but I don't think it's entirely on him either.

Bottom line is he's acting like a punk right now and if the Steelers were smart they'd trade him since they clearly have no interest in using him. Or they can hang onto him and watch the situation get worse as they continue ignoring him every week.  

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10 minutes ago, Godsbrother said:

I will have to take another look on the deep pass attempt but I am not sure the effort was all there.  It seems like he broke inside while Ben was throwing to the outside. I'm not sure it would have been catchable anyway but Bryant and Ben certainly looked like they weren't on the same page. 

Effort wasn't great but I didn't think the pass was anywhere near him. I didn't think it was a catchable ball. 

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PIT doesn't have to target Bryant when on the field, they can use him strictly as a decoy to keep defenses honest. Now, I'm sure defenses would eventually catch on but I don't really think it's fair to question PIT's usage of him. They're winning right now and that's all that matters. Sure, Bryant is talented but he hasn't actually proven anything. 

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47 minutes ago, packersfan said:

If their defense continues to play like it has the past two games I agree a more conservative approach works well. I'm not sure that approach can beat the Patriots, though. That would seem to be the exact kind of game where a big play threat like Bryant opposite Brown and mixed in with Bell would be a huge asset. But I'm not sure you can just flip that switch on if you haven't played the whole season.  

They can't beat the Patriots because they have no answer for Brady and how to counter the Patriot's system.  Once that changes, the outcomes will change.  I don't think it really matters whether Ben is throwing 40 times a game or 20 times a game.  

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3 minutes ago, SameSongNDance said:

PIT doesn't have to target Bryant when on the field, they can use him strictly as a decoy to keep defenses honest. Now, I'm sure defenses would eventually catch on but I don't really think it's fair to question PIT's usage of him. They're winning right now and that's all that matters. Sure, Bryant is talented but he hasn't actually proven anything. 

They're winning but did not convert well in the RZ yesterday. Can you continue winning and ultimately win big if you struggle to score TDs? 

Let's go back to my example from yesterday. Ball at the 4, Bryant singled and Ben refuses to look at him. Defense puts three on Brown and pass is incomplete. What if someone was on the field who Ben would throw to with single coverage? Maybe you get a TD on that play instead of a throw into triple coverage. 

I'm just spitballing here but at some point defenses will stop caring about Bryant if they're smart if Ben continues to ignore him. Perhaps the Steelers would be better off putting someone on the field who defenses will have to focus on if Ben will throw to him. Just a thought. 

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6 minutes ago, SameSongNDance said:

PIT doesn't have to target Bryant when on the field, they can use him strictly as a decoy to keep defenses honest. Now, I'm sure defenses would eventually catch on but I don't really think it's fair to question PIT's usage of him. They're winning right now and that's all that matters. Sure, Bryant is talented but he hasn't actually proven anything. 

Not to MB it doesn't

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Hasn't proven anything? WTF. He's a top talent......yes these WR are all prima donnas....just like Antonio Brown. What would happen if he got two pass attempts a game for a few games, he'd be going off in the media, you know it, we all know it.

Would it hurt to pass it to him a few more times in a game? Honestly? Bell doesn't really need 30 plus touches a game.....he could be okay with 25. Good Lord.

Oh he smoked some pot......he should be taught a lesson. Give me a break. Half the league smokes....Heck Ben doesn't have a great track record himself. He isn't really loved that much either to be honest, no wonder he's picking Bryant, usually the worst offenders are the ones who make the biggest stink. Ben isn't even looking his way. I've watched parts of the last few games.....it's ridiculous. I totally support Martavis.....he has the talent, use him, or let him go......he wants to get paid, I don't blame him for wanting to be more involved.

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5 minutes ago, thehoch said:

Hasn't proven anything? WTF. He's a top talent......yes these WR are all prima donnas....just like Antonio Brown. What would happen if he got two pass attempts a game for a few games, he'd be going off in the media, you know it, we all know it.

Would it hurt to pass it to him a few more times in a game? Honestly? Bell doesn't really need 30 plus touches a game.....he could be okay with 25. Good Lord.

Oh he smoked some pot......he should be taught a lesson. Give me a break. Half the league smokes....Heck Ben doesn't have a great track record himself. He isn't really loved that much either to be honest, no wonder he's picking Bryant, usually the worst offenders are the ones who make the biggest stink. Ben isn't even looking his way. I've watched parts of the last few games.....it's ridiculous. I totally support Martavis.....he has the talent, use him, or let him go......he wants to get paid, I don't blame him for wanting to be more involved.

I'm not totally sure how you feel about the situation :shock:

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Just now, bolldpt said:

I'm not totally sure how you feel about the situation :shock:

I don't think he's way off base here. Bryant had a damn good 2015 season, f'd up off the field and paid his price. Like he said, what Ben allegedly did was a helluva lot worse. 

Bryant's no choir boy and in my opinion he's handling this situation poorly. But I also think he's a talented player who should be used more by the Steelers than he has been recently.

Like I said before, both sides are mucking this all up.

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Per ESPN, today is the 4th day he's missed due to illness in the last 4 weeks.  "Called out" 2 days in week 4, another in week 5 and now the day after the week 7 game.   He must have a really weak immune system.

 

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If you are going to pout after your team dominated a hated rival in excellent fashion, this sport may not be what you are looking for.  It's fine to want to be more involved.  It's even fine to ask to be more involved.  But, make sure you are putting forth the effort to be taken seriously.  AB is a terrible distraction, but he is one of the hardest working guys on the team.  Juju appears that he is following in those footsteps(the hard working part).  I highly doubt that the Steelers would deal #10, but my guess is his snap count will continue to decline in favor of those who are coming to practice.

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32 minutes ago, packersfan said:

They're winning but did not convert well in the RZ yesterday. Can you continue winning and ultimately win big if you struggle to score TDs?

Let's go back to my example from yesterday. Ball at the 4, Bryant singled and Ben refuses to look at him. Defense puts three on Brown and pass is incomplete. What if someone was on the field who Ben would throw to with single coverage? Maybe you get a TD on that play instead of a throw into triple coverage.

I'm just spitballing here but at some point defenses will stop caring about Bryant if they're smart if Ben continues to ignore him. Perhaps the Steelers would be better off putting someone on the field who defenses will have to focus on if Ben will throw to him. Just a thought.

I agree but that person doesn't necessarily have to be Bryant. It could be Juju whose selling point is his ability to make tough catches or one of the TEs. Haven't we also watched Bryant fumble multiple screens this year? I feel like he has the yips.

24 minutes ago, thehoch said:

Hasn't proven anything? WTF. He's a top talent......yes these WR are all prima donnas....just like Antonio Brown. What would happen if he got two pass attempts a game for a few games, he'd be going off in the media, you know it, we all know it.

Would it hurt to pass it to him a few more times in a game? Honestly? Bell doesn't really need 30 plus touches a game.....he could be okay with 25. Good Lord.

Oh he smoked some pot......he should be taught a lesson. Give me a break. Half the league smokes....Heck Ben doesn't have a great track record himself. He isn't really loved that much either to be honest, no wonder he's picking Bryant, usually the worst offenders are the ones who make the biggest stink. Ben isn't even looking his way. I've watched parts of the last few games.....it's ridiculous. I totally support Martavis.....he has the talent, use him, or let him go......he wants to get paid, I don't blame him for wanting to be more involved.

He's flashed and has a lot of theoretical upside but so do a lot of players. He hasn't consistently produced and therefore shouldn't be afforded the benefit of the doubt if the team doesn't feel the need to utilize him. And yes, I hold his suspension against him. I don't give a #### if someone smokes weed - I smoke weed, but my livelihood isn't dependent on me not smoking. Being one year removed from the game obviously had an effect on his maturation.

And if Brown got two targets a game it would be a travesty because he has proven that he is in fact the best WR in the league.

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10 minutes ago, SameSongNDance said:

I agree but that person doesn't necessarily have to be Bryant. It could be Juju whose selling point is his ability to make tough catches or one of the TEs. Haven't we also watched Bryant fumble multiple screens this year? I feel like he has the yips.

He's flashed and has a lot of theoretical upside but so do a lot of players. He hasn't consistently produced and therefore shouldn't be afforded the benefit of the doubt if the team doesn't feel the need to utilize him. And yes, I hold his suspension against him. I don't give a #### if someone smokes weed - I smoke weed, but my livelihood isn't dependent on me not smoking. Being one year removed from the game obviously had an effect on his maturation.

And if Brown got two targets a game it would be a travesty because he has proven that he is in fact the best WR in the league.

That's my point. If you're not going to throw to Bryant why in the hell is he even playing? They clearly did not want to involve him in the passing game yesterday. So sit him and play someone you actually do like. This is why I think the Steelers have culpability in this mess as well as Bryant.

And again, I'm not saying Brown's role should be significantly reduced. Or Bell's. Not too long ago, this offense sustained prominent roles for Bell, Brown and Bryant. If it can't anymore perhaps the reason isn't just Bryant but perhaps also a decline in Ben's game and the team responding to that. 

I also didn't see Bryant drop any passes to him the past two weeks. I have seen him blocking downfield on a few big plays, including ones by Brown last week and Bell yesterday. So his effort on plays when he's not touching the ball isn't entirely ####. 

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37 minutes ago, Evilgrin 72 said:

Per ESPN, today is the 4th day he's missed due to illness in the last 4 weeks.  "Called out" 2 days in week 4, another in week 5 and now the day after the week 7 game.   He must have a really weak immune system.

 

It's hard to concentrate on game film when you're hungover.

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Just now, packersfan said:

That's my point. If you're not going to throw to Bryant why in the hell is he even playing? They clearly did not want to involve him in the passing game yesterday. So sit him and play someone you actually do like. This is why I think the Steelers have culpability in this mess as well as Bryant.

And again, I'm not saying Brown's role should be significantly reduced. Or Bell's. Not too long ago, this offense sustained prominent roles for Bell, Brown and Bryant. If it can't anymore perhaps the reason isn't just Bryant but perhaps also a decline in Ben's game and the team responding to that.

I don't know, I do understand they're having RZ issues. You would think that with Bryant's role being reduced it would pave the way for someone else but Juju's snaps have been trending down since week 5 and he too has only been utilized very sparingly in that time span. James remains on the field but hasn't been targeted for two weeks. McDonald is getting more involved but he's coming along very slowly.

I'm not saying PIT doesn't have culpability but ultimately I don't know if it helps to try and accurately diagnose why Bryant isn't producing. I just know he isn't and likely won't for at least this season.

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I am just blown away by the people who don't think Martavis is a top NFL WR.......His catches have been just amazing. Yes he is immature....so what? Again so is most of the NFL. These guys are all self-centered athletes.....even some of the ones who are supposedly mature. I can't believe the BS being slung around here.

Martavis paid the price......he's back. If you don't want to use his skills......and are obviously not getting him involved on purpose.....screw it. You think winning is everything to these NFL players? Hate to tell you, it isn't........they love to win and play the game but they are business first. Martavis wants to get some passes to boost his free agent profile and I don't blame him. Sure he's handling it wrong but he deserves to get a few more passes at the very least. Once again, it's all business......he has a particular set of skills, skills he has acquired over a very long career. ... But if you don't pass him the ball, he will look for you, he will find you, and Big Ben he will kill you!

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6 minutes ago, belljr said:

Mike Wallace 2.0. :unsure:

Mike Wallace could only dream of doing this to the other team. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uRIN7pFmjU This is the stuff they apparently have forgotten how to run. I can't remember the last time they threw him a crossing route pass 15 yards deal. it's either an obvious screen that gets blown up, a worthless end around or an extremely low % bomb.

It's really as if the other teams know when it's a screen or an end around or a bomb now

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Terrible list of Martavis landing spots: https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/football/news/fantasy-football-five-teams-we-wish-would-trade-for-the-steelers-martavis-Bryant/

Bills ar run first. He would be as useless as Jimmy Graham in Seattle, the Lions don't care to score points until the 4th Q and they have spotted the other team a 21 point lead. Seahawks. Giants are going no where and have 2 good WRs already for next year. Cowboys are run first and Dez shows how worthless being a WR there is.


The place to land is the Saints with Drew Brees and sitting at 4-2.

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31 minutes ago, lod001 said:

Mike Wallace could only dream of doing this to the other team. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uRIN7pFmjU This is the stuff they apparently have forgotten how to run. I can't remember the last time they threw him a crossing route pass 15 yards deal. it's either an obvious screen that gets blown up, a worthless end around or an extremely low % bomb.

It's really as if the other teams know when it's a screen or an end around or a bomb now

End around run

Screen Pass

Longbomb

Medium-Length Slant.

 

That's basically all he does. Every time I chart his usage, I see at least 3 of the 4, that's it.

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8 hours ago, Godsbrother said:

I don't think this is correct.  He would have been a free agent had he not been suspended last year.  I am 99% sure he is signed through the 2018 season and will not be a free agent until 2019.

 

8 hours ago, Flint Fireballs! said:

Then that changes my opinion.  Everything comes down to whether or not he's traded this season if you are correct, sir.

Yep Sportstrac is rarely wrong on these, but it looks like they just haven't updated him.  His contract for 2016 tolled so he's in year 4 next year.

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