culdeus
Footballguy
Those are hard drag bases with center aa because you can't get skulls under cover to them easily. So a all rage works best because once they do get in center there isn't much to distract them
Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums
Welcome to Our Forums. Once you've registered and logged in, you're primed to talk football, among other topics, with the sharpest and most experienced fantasy players on the internet.
Clash of Clans (Official thread) (3 Viewers)
- Thread starter GregR
- Start date
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
So I put up a 0/3 in my first attack in this FBG4 war. I figured with the 5:1 TH10 advantage, in order for us to have any shot, some of our TH9's would have to dent their TH10's.
I added some giants with 2 golems, and was still eviscerated by the Inferno Towers.
Any advice on taking on inferno towers via ground? I know lavaloon can open some options up, but I'm still 7 days away from getting level 2 lava hounds.
I added some giants with 2 golems, and was still eviscerated by the Inferno Towers.
Any advice on taking on inferno towers via ground? I know lavaloon can open some options up, but I'm still 7 days away from getting level 2 lava hounds.
VA703
Footballguy
Giants to occupy the inferno seems to help
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
Giants to augment golems or to replace them? Maybe I just didn't bring enough. I think I packed 2 golems and 8 giants, rest DPS.
=Smackdown=
Footballguy
Or 5 Golems to occupy the multi infernos before they turn into 10 Golemites which will still occupy the Infernos.
Unless the Golems wander off to pick daisy's like my first attack this war.
culdeus
Footballguy
The army comps I'm seeing is as follows.
4 L4 Golems - 120
12 L5 Wiz - 48
5 L6 Giants - 25
6 WB -12
Remainder used to suck and kill CC
CC - Max Golem
Spells
1 or 2 Jump
1 or 2 Rage
1 Zap (If CC is buried)
goal is to get to core as fast as possible by laying down jumps over a path the golems and giants would like to follow (lots of defensive structures)
Giants follow the golems
TH taken out by AQ and BK and your wiz gets you to 50%
This is a mandatory 2 hero strat to get 2 unless the base design is just awful.
If one or more heroes are down then stick to 4+ hounds.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
Okay. So I think I had the right idea, just didn't bring enough meatshield. Duly noted.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
This was was not satisfying. Who/when declares next?
Jayrod
Footballguy
Yeah but that loot bonus was nice.
Beerguzzler
Footballguy
Dibs on 3 and 5. Sky Pigs will rule the sky.
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
Apparently it's abandoned base night in Crystal III
Barely using 'Next'
Barely using 'Next'
culdeus
Footballguy
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Acer's going to forward the file today, but it'll probably take a few days to get everything organized and figure out a couple different ways to play with the data.
culdeus
Footballguy
I like mid crystal a little better these days. It's not just constant nexting over maxed out bases and you often can find TH8 or weak TH9 in that range. It's really ideal if you are only getting in raids sporadically. I think doc is taking all the good masters bases lately anyways.
culdeus
Footballguy
I don't get this clan.
Either they get a ton of asian clans to lay down to them, or they are the best sandboxers on the planet. They have 111 wins, but clearly the majority of the members in it currently were not part of those.
We haven't seen a clan with such weak anti air since August timeframe.
TH8 really should try to step up into the higher TH9 bases looking for 2 early. They only have 2 max TH8 and several of their low TH9 don't have a single L6 anti air among them.
Hell, it takes them to base 23 to find 3 L6 Anti Air, period.
Either they get a ton of asian clans to lay down to them, or they are the best sandboxers on the planet. They have 111 wins, but clearly the majority of the members in it currently were not part of those.
We haven't seen a clan with such weak anti air since August timeframe.
TH8 really should try to step up into the higher TH9 bases looking for 2 early. They only have 2 max TH8 and several of their low TH9 don't have a single L6 anti air among them.
Hell, it takes them to base 23 to find 3 L6 Anti Air, period.
Jayrod
Footballguy
I think 36-38 have maxed out ADs.
ETA: But 39-50 are all basic drag rush bases. Easy 36 stars down there.
Last edited by a moderator:
culdeus
Footballguy
Shoot_Me_Now
Footballguy
I nerded it up on troop levels sitting here waiting for a report to run because curiosity got the best of me.
A negative means their stronger, positive we're stonger.
Avg TH 10 troop level difference (including doc)
Archers -.45
Barbs -.69
Giants -.34
Loons .38
Wiz .02
Drag .57
Pekka 1.20
Hogs .77
Golem 1.15
Witch -.01
Hound 1.06
BK -6.69
AQ -9.43
War Stars -95.78
Avg TH9 troop levels (excluding shuke)
Archers - .12
Barbs - .27
Giants .12
Loons .62
Wiz .00
Drag 1.18
Pekka 1.02
Hogs .66
Golem .99
Witch .11
Hound .73
BK -.35
AQ .21
War Stars 19.20
We have quite an edge as far as regular war troops are concerned besides for the massive heroes some of them have. Then their barch and giants are stronger than ours. Then you look at their wins and war stars and its clear they are grabbing enough stars to win (and they have guys with 400+ stars and one over 500).
With that said, don't fall for the double pot they are offering.
VA703
Footballguy
culdeus
Footballguy
culdeus
Footballguy
Shoot_Me_Now
Footballguy
AcerFC
Footballguy
Worm
slimy ninja
Expound for me.
Right now I'm at:
Lvl 6 walls
Lab Upgrades - Regular barracks - all maxed except balloon and pekka. Dark Barracks - Hogs @ 2 is my only upgrade so far
Defenses - maxed wizard/mortar, cannons @ 9, archers @ 8/9, air at 4/5
Camps maxed of course
Worm
slimy ninja
Sputnikv8
Footballguy
Pssst... He does realize he is shuke right? Third person reference and stuff.
"Jimmys got moves.... Ohhhhh Jimmys down.... Jimmy needs help."
culdeus
Footballguy
Loons to 5
Hogs to 4
King to 10
Push button
rest is mostly meaningless unless in a hardcore war clan
freeannyong
Footballguy
Moving to TH 9 before all your lab is maxed (aside pekka 3 and valk) is where you can get into trouble. Early TH9 you need all kinds of elixir for upgrades and if you are behind on troop levels it take a long time to dig out of the hole. You also don't want to be in a situation where your defense is much stronger than your offense.
Also getting BK to 10 is very much required (imo)
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
So, here's my first pass at this. It's definitely going to be tough to go much further since everything is correlated with each other and, obviously, with TH level.
Infernos will have to be revisited since so few guys have them and they're basically a proxy for TH10s right now.
Having said...here's my best initial guess at what really matters in terms of clan rankings:
Base Rank 51Townhouse Level 0.24 Total Troop Levels (0.19)Total Hero Levels (0.23)Total Wiz Tower Levels (0.44)Total Xbow Levels (2.08)Those five items explain about 95% of the variance in the rankings.One way of looking at the data above is that a level of X-bow is worth about 10 troop levels and a bit less than 5 Wizard Tower levels. Or that upgrading a Wizard Tower level is worth about twice as much as adding a Hero level or upgrading one troop.
The way you'd use this is to generate a number for each base in the clan, like this:
51 +
(TH Level * .24) +
(total of all Troop levels * -.19) +
(total Hero levels * -.23) +
(total Wizard Tower levels * -.44) +
(total X-bow levels * -2.08) +
Then rank the bases from lowest to highest using the scores.
If you do that with the test set you get this (I had to rerank the bases in the data set 1-46 to account for the four missing bases):
Predicted Rank Actual Rank Difference1 1 02 3 -13 4 -14 5 -15 2 36 9 -37 6 18 10 -29 7 210 11 -111 12 -112 14 -213 13 014 15 -115 17 -216 8 817 16 118 18 019 20 -120 30 -1021 22 -122 27 -523 21 224 19 525 23 226 26 027 24 328 29 -129 28 130 25 531 31 032 33 -133 32 134 35 -135 34 136 36 037 37 038 39 -139 40 -140 38 241 41 042 42 043 43 044 44 045 45 046 46 0That's pretty good. The predicted ranking for 38/46 of the bases is within two of their actual ranking. It wouldn't work exactly that well on a different set of bases, but it's definitely good enough that you can see the relative value of the stuff that matters.If someone wanted to look at bases 8 and 30 to see what's atypical about them there might be another clue or two as to how the rankings get done since both were ranked way differently than their predicted ranking. #8 was originally #11 (culdeus) and #30 was originally #27 (mddstarnes).
Infernos will have to be revisited since so few guys have them and they're basically a proxy for TH10s right now.
Having said...here's my best initial guess at what really matters in terms of clan rankings:
Base Rank 51Townhouse Level 0.24 Total Troop Levels (0.19)Total Hero Levels (0.23)Total Wiz Tower Levels (0.44)Total Xbow Levels (2.08)Those five items explain about 95% of the variance in the rankings.One way of looking at the data above is that a level of X-bow is worth about 10 troop levels and a bit less than 5 Wizard Tower levels. Or that upgrading a Wizard Tower level is worth about twice as much as adding a Hero level or upgrading one troop.
The way you'd use this is to generate a number for each base in the clan, like this:
51 +
(TH Level * .24) +
(total of all Troop levels * -.19) +
(total Hero levels * -.23) +
(total Wizard Tower levels * -.44) +
(total X-bow levels * -2.08) +
Then rank the bases from lowest to highest using the scores.
If you do that with the test set you get this (I had to rerank the bases in the data set 1-46 to account for the four missing bases):
Predicted Rank Actual Rank Difference1 1 02 3 -13 4 -14 5 -15 2 36 9 -37 6 18 10 -29 7 210 11 -111 12 -112 14 -213 13 014 15 -115 17 -216 8 817 16 118 18 019 20 -120 30 -1021 22 -122 27 -523 21 224 19 525 23 226 26 027 24 328 29 -129 28 130 25 531 31 032 33 -133 32 134 35 -135 34 136 36 037 37 038 39 -139 40 -140 38 241 41 042 42 043 43 044 44 045 45 046 46 0That's pretty good. The predicted ranking for 38/46 of the bases is within two of their actual ranking. It wouldn't work exactly that well on a different set of bases, but it's definitely good enough that you can see the relative value of the stuff that matters.If someone wanted to look at bases 8 and 30 to see what's atypical about them there might be another clue or two as to how the rankings get done since both were ranked way differently than their predicted ranking. #8 was originally #11 (culdeus) and #30 was originally #27 (mddstarnes).
Last edited by a moderator:
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Ok, this next part is tricky.
Those rankings assume that you're developing your base in a typical way. It's not that passive defense or Teslas or etc don't matter at all -- it's just that there's basically no new information in that data since it's captured by the four or five pieces above. IOW, if you've got a TH10 with L20 heroes and 35 Wizard Tower levels, the total level of mortars or cannons or etc is basically known too. And the typical range of total levels for those other things doesn't make any difference in the rankings.
So if you developed ONLY Wizard Towers and Xbows, and ignored the other stuff, this wouldn't work for your base.
Those rankings assume that you're developing your base in a typical way. It's not that passive defense or Teslas or etc don't matter at all -- it's just that there's basically no new information in that data since it's captured by the four or five pieces above. IOW, if you've got a TH10 with L20 heroes and 35 Wizard Tower levels, the total level of mortars or cannons or etc is basically known too. And the typical range of total levels for those other things doesn't make any difference in the rankings.
So if you developed ONLY Wizard Towers and Xbows, and ignored the other stuff, this wouldn't work for your base.
Last edited by a moderator:
Black Box
Footballguy
Last edited by a moderator:
culdeus
Footballguy
Pigskin Fanatic
Footballguy
for FBGS war, last night I noticed majority of the TH10 and TH9s have max hogs but barely upgraded their golems and pekkas. Maybe not majority but many that I looked at. I would expect a lot of hog attacks today.
Black Box
Footballguy
And I see that both of you are maxed out on your defensive towers. Hard to tell who has better walls, but he has some lavas mixed in his, so I would give the edge to him there.
And his heroes > your heroes.
And his troop upgrades > your troop upgrades.
You guys are ranked as expected as far as I can tell
