Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Is the 50% thing of max army or army you started raid with?
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Harry Manback
Footballguy
AcerFC
Footballguy
max of camp sizeIt is interesting that those who full on attack don't care as much bc it's not a huge change for them. The hardcore war guys like Clayton and Cliff see no difference. For guys like me and Harry who enjoy it but raid once a day, it is a huge change regardless of how little loot we lose. We go from losing nothing to losing something. That in itself is a bummer for us.
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
I see no difference because the update hasn't hit yet and thus, I have no idea how the gameplay/loot has been effected. You're letting Culd and his legion of meta war nerds get you riled up when they have little to no information and are just wildly speculating.
Totally get that. I have two accounts that I rarely use except for wars. Progress on those will definitely slow unless I raid on them. Definitely a bummer, but it should be that way. To improve, you should be required to use your account. I still think raiding just before your shield ends will allow you to grow. A single gibarch attack should be able to get 250k+ each gold and elixir and 2k+ DE. When you log off, you might lose that much too. That means a 14+ hour shield, so you'll be safe for a long time while your collectors do their job. There will also be times where you aren't hit for the max, so you'll be in even better shape there.
Pigskin Fanatic
Footballguy
BTW the note about 50% states it includes cc capacity and heroes also. Not really sure if that means 110 + 15 + 1 for a max th9.
The Duff Man
Footballguy
For me it is easy to see how it is a step back for casual players...it has nothing to do with the trophy pushers or modders or anyone else.
Today I can attack 2 times a day or 20. Every time I attack, I get X loot and lose only 1000 from my th getting sniped. MultiplynX by number of attacks and I am in good shape.
After the change I will get X, which granted may be a little higher or require less nexting. I will now lose Y before I get a shield. Some value way in excess of 1000.
If I have time to attack 5 times before my shield runs out, I will get 5X loot, but still lose Y. And Y is still going to be way more than the 5000 I would have lost today by breaking shield 5 times and getting sniped 5 times.
So how much does X go up....and how big is Y?
Could be time to max out those infernos also....
Today I can attack 2 times a day or 20. Every time I attack, I get X loot and lose only 1000 from my th getting sniped. MultiplynX by number of attacks and I am in good shape.
After the change I will get X, which granted may be a little higher or require less nexting. I will now lose Y before I get a shield. Some value way in excess of 1000.
If I have time to attack 5 times before my shield runs out, I will get 5X loot, but still lose Y. And Y is still going to be way more than the 5000 I would have lost today by breaking shield 5 times and getting sniped 5 times.
So how much does X go up....and how big is Y?
Could be time to max out those infernos also....
culdeus
Footballguy
Yeah, seems like people either have two fresh Level 1 infernos or they are both maxed.
The Duff Man
Footballguy
I didnt max out my xbows or Inf. I have what...two weeks?
Shoot_Me_Now
Footballguy
Welp there goes one issue.
Other Changes:
All trap rearm costs massively reduced (~75% rearm cost reduction on average of all traps)
X-Bow reload costs massively reduced (~70% reload cost reduction for all levels)
Time until you can be attacked after going offline increased from 1 minute to 5 minutes (to help cases of accidentally going offline)
Eta. They also changed the 1/2 an army to get a shield down to 1/3.
Other Changes:
All trap rearm costs massively reduced (~75% rearm cost reduction on average of all traps)
X-Bow reload costs massively reduced (~70% reload cost reduction for all levels)
Time until you can be attacked after going offline increased from 1 minute to 5 minutes (to help cases of accidentally going offline)
Eta. They also changed the 1/2 an army to get a shield down to 1/3.
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culdeus
Footballguy
They also had a PR person come in and wordsmith all the prior content which I thought was funny. Just little things like remove words like significantly, and massive, and some fluff was just removed altogether. Maybe they are paying attention.
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
I, for one, am shocked that more information is coming out. Glad I didn't uninstall yesterday!
Sputnikv8
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MindCrime
Footballguy
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Is there a link that's keeping all of the peeks/updates in one place?
freeannyong
Footballguy
Did anyone watch the video and care to summarize?
Watching it now. My first WOW is that across all league levels, around 80% of attacks are town hall snipes. Anyone worried about not being able to find a target can stop worrying about not being able to find a target.
freeannyong
Footballguy
I found some good summaries on reddit.
So how are they going to generate all of that lost loot from all of the snipes?
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
My TH8 account offers up between 6-800,000 Gold, 3-400,000 elixir and 2500~ DE. I still get snipes constantly. In Silver.
Reason for the change:
Imagine a game where everyone attacks and defends and works on improving each of those actions. Everything is balanced and lovely. Now imagine that game introducing a building where you only lose 1000 of each resource a couple times a day and allowed you to progress by tapping a few buildings every several hours. That would destroy the game.
Imagine a game where everyone attacks and defends and works on improving each of those actions. Everything is balanced and lovely. Now imagine that game introducing a building where you only lose 1000 of each resource a couple times a day and allowed you to progress by tapping a few buildings every several hours. That would destroy the game.
Defenseless account (or very rushed accounts):
You're screwed until you build up your defenses
You're screwed until you build up your defenses
Arranged wars (just for fun and not getting loot and clan xp):
Massive work needed behind the scene and don't think regular people would use it.
Arranged wars (with getting loot and clan xp):
Probably coming after this big update
Massive work needed behind the scene and don't think regular people would use it.
Arranged wars (with getting loot and clan xp):
Probably coming after this big update
Bonuses for successful defenses:
Possibly coming after they see how this update shakes out
Possibly coming after they see how this update shakes out
Will be a couple of peeks regarding clan wars in this update, but clan wars will be the focus in future updates.
Clans can progress beyond Level 10, but there are no more perks beyond Level 10. They will be adding more perks to the current levels in the future.
The are looking at improving the single-player experience and make it sustainable. Also discussing special challenge maps. Not in this update though.
Still won't have upgrading heroes available in war attacks. They are looking at ways to allow players to war at full strength more often. If clan war tournaments are added in the future, heroes would absolutely be available in war attacks.
Another week and a half of sneak peeks are coming starting tomorrow.
Clans can progress beyond Level 10, but there are no more perks beyond Level 10. They will be adding more perks to the current levels in the future.
The are looking at improving the single-player experience and make it sustainable. Also discussing special challenge maps. Not in this update though.
Still won't have upgrading heroes available in war attacks. They are looking at ways to allow players to war at full strength more often. If clan war tournaments are added in the future, heroes would absolutely be available in war attacks.
Another week and a half of sneak peeks are coming starting tomorrow.
culdeus
Footballguy
The targets you do find won't have any loot though. If 80% of loot is now removed from circulation where will it come from?
culdeus
Footballguy
The game is/was still balanced for the cost of actually progressing. It won't be anymore.
culdeus
Footballguy
They won't. And the cost of everything seems likely to stay relatively constant.
Also the alterations to the original plan for PR actually could make this whole thing worse. It makes you more likely to get a "free" shield with barch than before. So now lower leagues will have less bases to raid and upper leagues won't have any loot.
In the past, a 300k / 300k / 4k target with an exposed town hall would only get sniped at least 80% of the time it was put on the market. The attacker would get the league bonus loot.
After the update, that same target must actually be attacked. If the attacker gets 50%, that's 150k / 150k / 2k PLUS the league bonus.
With a successful attack, the only resources removed from circulation are the elixir and DE used in the attacking army.
culdeus
Footballguy
80% of the circulating loot is gone and replaced with nothing, now to get 20% of the available loot in high leagues at least you will need to raid with more expensive armies. Again, where will this loot come from?
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
Don't they have a guy with a PhD in Economics taking care of this?
culdeus
Footballguy
This is the logic fail you see in circles.
Th snipers don't just snipe each other all day. The loot they grab gets picked up by everyone. It trickles down through to gold/silver from the very top.
It's a broken system but a 8mm upgrade. Especially a elixer upgrade will be ridiculously hard post update. De won't be any better and might get alot worse and gold is going to be thin as people do th11 upgrades.
Guess we'll just have to see what happens.
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
That was embarrassing.
creel29
Footballguy
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
It has been exactly 30 days since we've won a non-farm war.
AcerFC
Footballguy
this cant be right. We won by one in a war I was in. Felt like less than a month ago
