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Dri Archer doubles up (1 Viewer)

Maybe I'm pointing out what's already known, but I was just amazed that an NFL writer would think Dri Archer was on the Rams...and that this wouldn't be corrected for more than 12 hours.

As for Dri Archer hype, I'm onboard that as well. He's the only speed in that backfield.

ETA: I see they changed the title of the article, but they couldn't change the address.

 
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LOL, Its great in theory but he is a 175 pound RB, even Sproles weighs 190.

I thought this was a site that had an understanding of football? How many successful RBs are there that weighed 175 pounds? While Dunn was 180 and small he was not the norm.

The way some of these players get hyped is crazy. He is a return/specialty player. He can be special in 4-6 touches a game, but he gets more than that he wont last 4-6 games.

 
Phenix said:
LOL, Its great in theory but he is a 175 pound RB, even Sproles weighs 190.

I thought this was a site that had an understanding of football? How many successful RBs are there that weighed 175 pounds? While Dunn was 180 and small he was not the norm.

The way some of these players get hyped is crazy. He is a return/specialty player. He can be special in 4-6 touches a game, but he gets more than that he wont last 4-6 games.
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His own GM, who drafted him, compared him to a well known kick returner.

 
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The article is pointing to Todd Haley former affiliation with Jamaal Charles as a good thing. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Haley the guy who significantly limited Charles' usage in KC, giving half of the carries to a washed up Thomas Jones for 2 years when Charles was clearly the more productive back? How is that positive for Archer?

 
hxperson said:
The article is pointing to Todd Haley former affiliation with Jamaal Charles as a good thing. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Haley the guy who significantly limited Charles' usage in KC, giving half of the carries to a washed up Thomas Jones for 2 years when Charles was clearly the more productive back? How is that positive for Archer?
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That's exactly my thought as well. This is really the first hype I've seen for Archer as a RB. I think most are clearly aware of him being primarily a KR/PR to start off and possibly an offensive weapon in the future.

 
Seems like a guy you'd want on your real football team, but not your fantasy team. I just don't see enough touches for any type of consistency.

I'm guessing we'll see him on a few sports center top 10 highlight reels though.

 
hxperson said:
The article is pointing to Todd Haley former affiliation with Jamaal Charles as a good thing. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Haley the guy who significantly limited Charles' usage in KC, giving half of the carries to a washed up Thomas Jones for 2 years when Charles was clearly the more productive back? How is that positive for Archer?
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As someone who prominently owned Charles during this time, I'm still pissed off about this :)

 
Dri Archer, eh? The guy is a burner and I don't mean that loosely. He may be the fastest guy in the NFL.

He's CJ2K fast. Undersized but fantastic runner.

I see more of a Receiver than Running Back but that's just me. In college he caught a few passes after burning the secondary.

Wouldn't surprise me to see Ben slinging to this guy deep; a few designed screens is my expectation as well.

They're pretty much replacing Chris Rainey. He'll have value in leagues that count Return Yards.

 
Monsters of the Midway said:
hxperson said:
The article is pointing to Todd Haley former affiliation with Jamaal Charles as a good thing. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Haley the guy who significantly limited Charles' usage in KC, giving half of the carries to a washed up Thomas Jones for 2 years when Charles was clearly the more productive back? How is that positive for Archer?
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As someone who prominently owned Charles during this time, I'm still pissed off about this :)
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He inherited Charles after this rookie season where got less than 6 touches a game. He increased it to 15 and 17 the following two seasons before his tore his ACL. I think he managed his touches pretty decently myself and we'll never know if his plans were to continue to increase his workload like he had the previous two seasons.

To me the issue was never under-use of Charles so much as it was overuse of Thomas Jones.

But back to Archer. I thought this tweet from a few days ago was fairly interesting, if not for Archer's value the impact it might have on Bell/Blount.

Mark Kaboly @MarkKaboly_Trib · Jun 10

#Steelers fans are going to have to get used to a lot of inside handoffs to Dri Archer from the shotgun in the red zone.
 
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And since then he's handled a very heavy workload without any problems.
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Again we don't know if Haley would have kept increasing his workload as he had their first two years together. If you throw out his ACL injury his workload has increased by about right around 2 touches per game since his rookie season. No one can say if Haley had the same plan to continue to grow his workload like he has since he arrived.

Other than he's certainly played without any problems but he also had his 2 best YPC seasons under Haley,3 if you count the AC year which I don't.

Lastly Charles second best season for total yards was his last season with Haley. That season he only finished 45 yards away from what he did last season and on 54 less touches.

This idea Haley mis-used Charles is nothing more than a myth. Fact is he used him in a way that got maximum efficiency.

 
menobrown said:
Monsters of the Midway said:
And since then he's handled a very heavy workload without any problems.
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Again we don't know if Haley would have kept increasing his workload as he had their first two years together. If you throw out his ACL injury his workload has increased by about right around 2 touches per game since his rookie season. No one can say if Haley had the same plan to continue to grow his workload like he has since he arrived.

Other than he's certainly played without any problems but he also had his 2 best YPC seasons under Haley,3 if you count the AC year which I don't.

Lastly Charles second best season for total yards was his last season with Haley. That season he only finished 45 yards away from what he did last season and on 54 less touches.

This idea Haley mis-used Charles is nothing more than a myth. Fact is he used him in a way that got maximum efficiency.
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You do realize that in 2009 Charles was an afterthought until both Larry Johnson (who was in a wheelchair at the time) got hurt. Then he racked up something like 22 touches per game over the last 7 or 8 games. ETA: Charles had 47 touches through 7 games in 2009. Larry Johnson had 144 then got hurt.

Haley had NO idea what he had in Charles. Which he proved again the next year by giving the ball to Thomas Jones (who was in a wheelchair at the time).

It wasn't any sort of grand plan or bringing him along slowly.

 
wdcrob said:
menobrown said:
Monsters of the Midway said:
And since then he's handled a very heavy workload without any problems.
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Again we don't know if Haley would have kept increasing his workload as he had their first two years together. If you throw out his ACL injury his workload has increased by about right around 2 touches per game since his rookie season. No one can say if Haley had the same plan to continue to grow his workload like he has since he arrived.

Other than he's certainly played without any problems but he also had his 2 best YPC seasons under Haley,3 if you count the AC year which I don't.

Lastly Charles second best season for total yards was his last season with Haley. That season he only finished 45 yards away from what he did last season and on 54 less touches.

This idea Haley mis-used Charles is nothing more than a myth. Fact is he used him in a way that got maximum efficiency.
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You do realize that in 2009 Charles was an afterthought until both Larry Johnson (who was in a wheelchair at the time) got hurt. Then he racked up something like 22 touches per game over the last 7 or 8 games. ETA: Charles had 47 touches through 7 games in 2009. Larry Johnson had 144 then got hurt.

Haley had NO idea what he had in Charles. Which he proved again the next year by giving the ball to Thomas Jones (who was in a wheelchair at the time).

It wasn't any sort of grand plan or bringing him along slowly.
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Yea but not sure you realize that before Haley arrived no one knew what they had in Charles including the head coach his rookie year.

 
menobrown said:
wdcrob said:
menobrown said:
Monsters of the Midway said:
And since then he's handled a very heavy workload without any problems.
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Again we don't know if Haley would have kept increasing his workload as he had their first two years together. If you throw out his ACL injury his workload has increased by about right around 2 touches per game since his rookie season. No one can say if Haley had the same plan to continue to grow his workload like he has since he arrived.

Other than he's certainly played without any problems but he also had his 2 best YPC seasons under Haley,3 if you count the AC year which I don't.

Lastly Charles second best season for total yards was his last season with Haley. That season he only finished 45 yards away from what he did last season and on 54 less touches.

This idea Haley mis-used Charles is nothing more than a myth. Fact is he used him in a way that got maximum efficiency.
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You do realize that in 2009 Charles was an afterthought until both Larry Johnson (who was in a wheelchair at the time) got hurt. Then he racked up something like 22 touches per game over the last 7 or 8 games. ETA: Charles had 47 touches through 7 games in 2009. Larry Johnson had 144 then got hurt.

Haley had NO idea what he had in Charles. Which he proved again the next year by giving the ball to Thomas Jones (who was in a wheelchair at the time).

It wasn't any sort of grand plan or bringing him along slowly.
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Yea but not sure you realize that before Haley arrived no one knew what they had in Charles including the head coach his rookie year.
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Ok. I concede. Todd Haley is as good a coach as Herm Edwards.

 
Rotoworld:

Dri Archer - RB - Steelers

Steelers coach Mike Tomlin confirmed rookie Dri Archer will be used at running back and receiver.

Tomlin called Archer a "speed guy" that the Steelers will look to get touches in multiple roles. Archer played both positions at Kent State and has experience as a slot receiver. He could be limited to returning kicks as a rookie, but Archer has potential to make an offensive impact if he can find his way into four-wide packages or change-of-pace duties.

Source: NFL.com

Jul 12 - 3:35 PM
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Rotoworld:

Steelers OC Todd Haley suggested RB/WR Dri Archer could see "five and six touches a game" this season.

Archer is one of the smallest players in the NFL at 5'8" and 173 pounds, but he's also one of the fastest. He's not big enough to be an every down back, or maybe a running back at all, but Archer can certainly be used as a gadget player in the mold of Percy Harvin. A workload of 5-6 touches a game won't assure Archer fantasy relevance, but it's certainly a step in the right direction. Archer only saw 17 touches across 12 games as a rookie.

Source: Pittsburgh Tribune-Review
Mar 19 - 9:01 AM
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AhrnCityPahnder said:
Faust said:
Dri Archer looks to break out as Steelers' return man
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He has to make impact on special teams. If he can't or doesn't, I'd suspect his roster seat may be getting very warm.
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Agreed. I also think that Haley needs to find ways to get him the ball in space, though. We know he can and likes to do exactly that (McCluster.) I think Archer had something like 15 touches last year, so not much to go on. We knew going in that he wasn't going to be a between-the-tackles back, but all it's going to take is one play where he can get a head of steam and outrun everyone on the field to get people more jazzed about him. Reverse, bubble screen, delayed draw, something.

 
Rotoworld:

Dri Archer - RB - Steelers

Dri Archer rushed four times for 24 yards and caught six passes for 33 yards in the Steelers' Hall of Fame Game meeting with Minnesota.

In addition to returning kicks and punts, Archer operated as the Steelers' third-down back behind Cameron Stingily. He played mostly in the backfield, but did line up wide on a couple of occasions. The Steelers may want Archer to become a situational passing-down specialist, but it's obviously very difficult to take Le'Veon Bell off the field regardless of down and distance. Archer could see 5-9 touches per game during Bell's two-game ban to begin the season, however.

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