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10 minutes ago, NewlyRetired said:

This graphic really hits home.  This is the youngest team at the Euros.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E2zyWHLXEAQqqJp?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

A similar looking table for the US would skew much more to the left of even the youngest team at the Euro's

I'd love to see Grealish channel his inner Gazza from the middle of the midfield at this tournament.  England will probably give him five minutes a game, but IMO he's the type of player that team has needed ever since I started watching them play.  I'd start him over Mount.

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1 minute ago, NewlyRetired said:

Latest Behind the Crest focusing on Honduras game

https://twitter.com/USMNT/status/1401599773182885889?s=20

Was coming to post.  Not as much in this one as some of the others, but love seeing anything we wouldn't normally.

The angles on Sargent's clearance show just how incredible it was.  Unbelievable play by him.

Speaking of Sargent, if you rewatch the highlights watch Sargent on Reyna's mazey miss and then another one later in the game.  He's WFO on the back post for an easy tap in both times and the ball never comes.

Did like Berhalter asking everyone who played in, and won, a final to raise their hands.  Nice idea given how many there are.

No idea what to expect tonight.  Neither a naive performance where every mistake gets punished or a massive showing with golazos from Reyna, CP, Weston, etc would surprise me.  Tons of variance built into this group right now IMO.

 

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23 minutes ago, Dinsy Ejotuz said:

No idea what to expect tonight.  Neither a naive performance where every mistake gets punished or a massive showing with golazos from Reyna, CP, Weston, etc would surprise me.  Tons of variance built into this group right now IMO.

It is a really hard game to predict.  Not only for the variables you mentioned but the classic Concacaf oddity where Mexico is literally man for man better than Honduras and yet the game may actually be easier to play since Mexico won't specifically Concacaf it up unless they get a two goal lead.

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11 minutes ago, Dinsy Ejotuz said:

2:21 and 4:46 here, Sargent has found an open tap in with a lane both times to get it to him.

ETA:  Watching these again is painful.  Sargent scores all day on both and the passing lanes are easy.

One would think this will be made very clear to Gio...

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Watching those highlights, what I didn't see was the US punishing HON for losing possession.  I didn't see many opportunities to take advantage of HON out of their defensive shape.   Maybe that's good tactics and play by HON, but that's one of the ways that great teams can break on opponent open.

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13 minutes ago, The Z Machine said:

Watching those highlights, what I didn't see was the US punishing HON for losing possession.  I didn't see many opportunities to take advantage of HON out of their defensive shape.   Maybe that's good tactics and play by HON, but that's one of the ways that great teams can break on opponent open.

one interesting side effect of being on the front foot more often than not is that we seem to lost the idea of how and when to counter attack.

Counter attacking was a staple of all those Dos a zero game against Mexico where we simply sat back and absorbed and countered for goals.

I wonder if tonight will look a lot different in terms of maybe closer to 50-50 possession..

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Sorry for the stupid question, but does the game tonight have any impact on qualifying for the World Cup?  If not, when are the first games I should be paying attention to that do matter?

Would be brutal if we somehow fail to qualify again for the next one, especially with this young roster.

TIA

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Combined table from the last five Hexes (2002-2018):

		G	Pts 	GD	PPG	 GDPG
USA		50	93	30	1.86 	0.60
Mexico		50	90	33	1.80 	0.66
Costa Rica	50	89	23	1.78 	0.46
Honduras	40	58	 1	1.45 	0.03
Guatemala	10	11	-2	1.10 	-0.20
TNT		40	30	-42	0.75 	-1.05
Panama		20	15	-18	0.75 	-0.90
Jamaica		20	13	-15	0.65 	-0.75
El Salvador	10	6	-12	0.60 	-1.20

Only nine teams have taken part in the Hex in the last five cycles.

Pretty much what you'd expect:  the USA, Mexico and CR are bunched together at the top of the table. 

You could argue USA v Mexico 1-2 in either order since the US missed a WC, but Mexico dodged the same bullet through luck in 2014. 

If you want to argue that the full Mexican NT is no better than the full USNT, here's your evidence.  50 games is a lot.  Mexico has been deeper, with stronger B squads and better youth teams, so has been a better soccer nation overall over the last 20 years, but the US has matched Mexico at the top of the pyramid.

CR is a clear #3 (with a lower GD) and Honduras is a clear #4.

T&T would be my #5 given that they made the hex in 4 cycles.

Guatemala, Panama, Jamaica and El Salvador are the next tier as a group. 

Even with T&T out, I wouldn't be surprised if all of the Ochos are from the list above + Canada.

 

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15 minutes ago, scoobus said:

Sorry for the stupid question, but does the game tonight have any impact on qualifying for the World Cup?  If not, when are the first games I should be paying attention to that do matter?

Would be brutal if we somehow fail to qualify again for the next one, especially with this young roster.

TIA

This game has no effect on World Cup qualifying.

The first (of 14) World Cup Qualifying games for the US will start in September.   It will be an 8 team group with top 3 advancing to the WC.  

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31 minutes ago, scoobus said:

Sorry for the stupid question, but does the game tonight have any impact on qualifying for the World Cup?  If not, when are the first games I should be paying attention to that do matter?

Would be brutal if we somehow fail to qualify again for the next one, especially with this young roster.

TIA

Tonight matters because it's Mexico and we have close to our best team playing together for the ~3rd time, but the competition itself is kind of junk.

The Gold Cup, starting in July, is the championship of North America, Central America and the Caribbean -- so it's a real competition.  But the US is bringing a B squad to it, so it's less likely we'll win that and it'll be mostly about figuring out who can help during WCQ.

The 14 WCQ matches start in September and will be how we get to Qatar.  Those will feature the best possible teams we can field and every game is important.

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23 minutes ago, Dinsy Ejotuz said:

The Gold Cup, starting in July, is the championship of North America, Central America and the Caribbean -- so it's a real competition.  But the US is bringing a B squad to it, so it's less likely we'll win that and it'll be mostly about figuring out who can help during WCQ.

I have a feeling at least 3 of the 4 Nation League semi final teams are going to use a B squad for the Gold Cup.

I think two solid dark horses to win the Gold Cup are Jamaica (if they can finally assemble their A team which has been a nightmare the last two years due to covid) and surprisingly, Qatar, who is likely to send their A squad.

Qatar has smartly tried to enter every competition that will let them in.  They went 6-1-0 (W-T-L) in the first round of Asian Qualifying this year.

I hope the US does something similar in the 2026 run to get "real" games as best as they can during that cycle.

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3 hours ago, Dinsy Ejotuz said:

Combined table from the last five Hexes (2002-2018):


		G	Pts 	GD	PPG	 GDPG
USA		50	93	30	1.86 	0.60
Mexico		50	90	33	1.80 	0.66
Costa Rica	50	89	23	1.78 	0.46
Honduras	40	58	 1	1.45 	0.03
Guatemala	10	11	-2	1.10 	-0.20
TNT		40	30	-42	0.75 	-1.05
Panama		20	15	-18	0.75 	-0.90
Jamaica		20	13	-15	0.65 	-0.75
El Salvador	10	6	-12	0.60 	-1.20

 

surprised we are ahead of Mexico in  PPG

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I don’t hate it. Would have preferred the striker-less lineup posted earlier but this will work. It’s always gonna be tough to get all of our best attacking players out there together 

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10 minutes ago, McBokonon said:

Lineup

 

I'll at least take it with Yueill on the bench. What I don't get is if you have 3 in the back with Ream/Brooks/McKenzie and then you've got Yedlin and Dest on the wings, which I think is a good idea even though Ream makes me nervous, then wtf is Acosta doing out there? It's overkill, IMO. Put Musah or Aaronson. They both have a high enough work rate defensively that there shouldn't be any defensive deficiencies going with the other 5. 

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6 minutes ago, Moe. said:

Ream or Brooks as LCB? 

They're both super fast, so should be fine covering out wide regardless of whos more central.

 

Wait.

Scratch that.... reverse it.

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Just now, gianmarco said:

I'll at least take it with Yueill on the bench. What I don't get is if you have 3 in the back with Ream/Brooks/McKenzie and then you've got Yedlin and Dest on the wings, which I think is a good idea even though Ream makes me nervous, then wtf is Acosta doing out there? It's overkill, IMO. Put Musah or Aaronson. They both have a high enough work rate defensively that there shouldn't be any defensive deficiencies going with the other 5. 

They need somebody there to help control the passing lanes and at the very least act as a decoy for distribution. Doesnt bother me. After watching Brooks fet skinned a few times rhe last couple games, Ream isnt the guy I'd think of for cover. My concern is that Dest is going to have stay back...or maybe that's what Acosta is for. Probably is 

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2 minutes ago, El Floppo said:

They're both super fast, so should be fine covering out wide regardless of whos more central.

 

Wait.

Scratch that.... reverse it.

Hopefully it's going to be 5 in the back early on with Dest and Yedlin staying home until we see how things develop. 

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2 minutes ago, El Floppo said:

They're both super fast, so should be fine covering out wide regardless of whos more central.

 

Wait.

Scratch that.... reverse it.

I soon as I typed those two names together I thought to myself - yeesh we are slow. 

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1 minute ago, gianmarco said:

Hopefully it's going to be 5 in the back early on with Dest and Yedlin staying home until we see how things develop. 

I hope not. At least for Dest...im better with Yedlin staying and picking his moments to get forward. But i want Dest pushed higher up the field to combine with CP.

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1 minute ago, El Floppo said:

They need somebody there to help control the passing lanes and at the very least act as a decoy for distribution. Doesnt bother me. After watching Brooks fet skinned a few times rhe last couple games, Ream isnt the guy I'd think of for cover. My concern is that Dest is going to have stay back...or maybe that's what Acosta is for. Probably is 

Right, but since it's not really a true 6 role given the formation (I don't think, at least), then Musah can do the same but is better going forward. 

If Dest/Yedlin don't push up in order to help cover, then our offense is going to be limited to McKennie/Pulisic/Gio/Sargent. I just don't think that's enough. Maybe I'm seeing this all wrong, though.

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3 hours ago, Dinsy Ejotuz said:

Combined table from the last five Hexes (2002-2018):


		G	Pts 	GD	PPG	 GDPG
USA		50	93	30	1.86 	0.60
Mexico		50	90	33	1.80 	0.66
Costa Rica	50	89	23	1.78 	0.46
Honduras	40	58	 1	1.45 	0.03
Guatemala	10	11	-2	1.10 	-0.20
TNT		40	30	-42	0.75 	-1.05
Panama		20	15	-18	0.75 	-0.90
Jamaica		20	13	-15	0.65 	-0.75
El Salvador	10	6	-12	0.60 	-1.20

 

 

We really did finish 5th, in a 3-horse race.

:kicksrock:

 

 

Spursy.

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Just now, gianmarco said:

Right, but since it's not really a true 6 role given the formation (I don't think, at least), then Musah can do the same but is better going forward. 

If Dest/Yedlin don't push up in order to help cover, then our offense is going to be limited to McKennie/Pulisic/Gio/Sargent. I just don't think that's enough. Maybe I'm seeing this all wrong, though.

I dont think Musah is a 6. Dont know that his skillset involved clogfing the lanes. But Acosta does.

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We have to watch Ream closely.  If we see him out wide on defense, then this is going to convert to a 4-4-2 on defense and then to a some sort of 3-4-2-1

Ives is also postulating that this was going to be GGG's preferred setup until Long got hurt.  Long's speed in place of Ream would certainly make this look a lot better to me.

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A couple of hopes...

Dest can stay pushed higher up.

Swag isnt fried

Sarge finds a way to get more involved on the ball in the attacking third (and not in his own half)

The US can impose themselves and dictate play, the way they dod for 30 minutes vs the Swiss.

 

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Just now, Ned said:

Mexico is going right at Ream when Dest is caught too far forward. 

that is my guess.  I am interested to see where Chucky lines up.  Altuna is usually on the right and he is no where as dangerous as Chucky.  If Chucky on right things could get ugly.  Ream better hope every ounce of experience he has helps him tonight.

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1 minute ago, NewlyRetired said:

I feel like we are asking Gio to be more of an engine tonight.  He has played this role for Dortmund though in the past so he should have some experience with it.

Id its like that Ives link, yeah.

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Just now, gianmarco said:

That's like a 3-3-2-2. Didn't England try that before?

I think that's the formation that got beat by- like dis, like dis, like dis, like dis ..goal...in victory.

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Concacaf Nations League @CNationsLeague · 3m

If you wouldn't say it at home, why would you say it at the stadium?

What’s wrong is wrong

 

 

eh?  There are lots of things I would say at home, but would not be appropriate for the stadium...

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