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RB Jerick McKinnon, KC (2 Viewers)

Chaka said:
Well, I think we all better accept that this backfield belongs to Latavius.
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The PIT backfield belongs to Bell. This MIN backfield doesn't belong to Murray, he's in a timeshare with McKinnon.

This was, however, the first time Murray out snapped McKinnon all year (54% to 46%).

 
As a Vikings fan I have watch plenty of McKinnon.  He is still a good back and probably better than he has been the last couple of years (offensive line makes a big difference), but he does not look comfortable between the tackles.  He is more of a space back and a receiving back so his success is going to be very gameplan dependent IMO.  I think he is going to be more productive if the team does not jump out to a lead early and is forced to pass more than they have (although they have been passing plenty the last couple of games).  Atlanta and Carolina could be interesting matchups for him because he possibly could be more used as a receiving option out of the backfield to keep the defenses honest.

 
Ilov80s said:
He is the lite version of Kamara but don't forget Weeks 5-8 when McKinnon had 424 yards and 4 TDs. McKinnon still has big week potential. 
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I agree with you wholeheartedly regarding big week potential. I just think Kamara's talent level is way higher than McKinnons. 

 
snellman said:
As a Vikings fan I have watch plenty of McKinnon.  He is still a good back and probably better than he has been the last couple of years (offensive line makes a big difference), but he does not look comfortable between the tackles.  He is more of a space back and a receiving back so his success is going to be very gameplan dependent IMO.  I think he is going to be more productive if the team does not jump out to a lead early and is forced to pass more than they have (although they have been passing plenty the last couple of games).  Atlanta and Carolina could be interesting matchups for him because he possibly could be more used as a receiving option out of the backfield to keep the defenses honest.
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I agree in regards to McKinnon between the tackles.

I don't think it is because of a lack of size or physical ability however, I think it is because he doesn't have good vision for timing his cut backs in traffic, reading the flow of the defense that is necessary for RB to be effective running inside.

You can see this from the last game where Murrays big run, he does a couple cuts in traffic using his blocking to navigate to the hole. I haven't really seen McKinnon do this. He is more likely to just hit the hole hard and puts his head down, getting what he can. If the big hole is there he hits it, but if he need to navigate through, forget it. He just doesn't do that. This is where Davlin Cook is so much better than McKinnon is.

McKinnon has been much better in pass protection, and perhaps he will have some bigger games against the Falcons or Panthers ahead. He is still an important part of the offense. Especially as a receiver.

Recently he has been being met in the backfield and being tackled for loss way too much. I don't think that is his fault. It happened too many times against the Lions though. I think the Lions know what the Vikings are doing on offense more than other teams. They really seemed to know when they were trying to run with McKinnon and were able to get in the backfield and stop him before he could get going. I am a bit worried that other teams may be able to learn from what the Lions put on tape and be able to replicate some of that. The Vikings maybe need to make some changes if they are giving tells to the defense on these plays.

McKinnons rushing stats would be a lot better if not for the many tackles for loss recently.

 
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Considering the positional need and coaching familiarity, It will be telling if Shurmur decides to bring him along to NY. 

 
Andy Dufresne said:
Sorry, kid. You're not built too be a featured back. You should stick to your role and extend your career by 2-3 years.
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This is Dalvin Cooks team when he's healthy so his role is not his role anymore on the Vikings and with solid backup money already extended to Latavius he see's handwriting on the wall. I don't even put much stock in what he's saying so much as he's just trying to get it out that he thinks he can do more if needed, he's trying to say the correct things to improve his market.

 
Love Jet in the role he had here, but don't think there's much of a chance he is going to go somewhere and be a 3 down back and hold up.  I get his viewpoint and understand why he feels there's not much of a role left for him in MN, best case for him is he goes somewhere where he can be a big part of a tandem like he was here this year, so pretty much agree with what menobrown says above

 
scott46984 said:
Love Jet in the role he had here, but don't think there's much of a chance he is going to go somewhere and be a 3 down back and hold up.  I get his viewpoint and understand why he feels there's not much of a role left for him in MN, best case for him is he goes somewhere where he can be a big part of a tandem like he was here this year, so pretty much agree with what menobrown says above
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He’s saying what he takes to get the biggest contract possible. What do you expect him to say? I want to be a backup?

 
Nope, you're right on and that's what I was saying above, that that's what he's got to say.  Wish him the best if he leaves, hope he stays but crowded backfield next year so probably not happening. 

 
He could see spot value in PPR but he'll never be "the guy". He's a great longshot to bust a 60-70 yard run. Better than a Leon Washington, close to a Darren Sproles. Feels like a Tom Brady kind of guy, he's got legitimately speed.

The Tedd Ginn of Runningbacks.

 
travdogg said:
Is he really all that different than Jalen Richard? 
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Yes and no. Similar small school pedigree, similar stature, but McKinnon is slightly heavier (lists as 216 to Richard's 205) and his running style incorporates a little more between-the-tackles/inside game to leverage his strength as opposed to Richard who can certainly work as a bowling ball but is more comfortable and natural leveraging his pure speed and elusiveness through the line of scrimmage than McKinnon, who is more upright and less creative/elusive. McKinnon actually seems like he plays closer to how DeAndre Washington fared this past year in terms of the running hard/falling forward style.

That said, both bring solid pass catching skills but I think Richard has the better hands. Not sure how good McKinnon is at pass pro -- it was one of his knocks coming out of Georgia Southern.

 
Stompin' Tom Connors said:
Yes and no. Similar small school pedigree, similar stature, but McKinnon is slightly heavier (lists as 216 to Richard's 205) and his running style incorporates a little more between-the-tackles/inside game to leverage his strength as opposed to Richard who can certainly work as a bowling ball but is more comfortable and natural leveraging his pure speed and elusiveness through the line of scrimmage than McKinnon, who is more upright and less creative/elusive. McKinnon actually seems like he plays closer to how DeAndre Washington fared this past year in terms of the running hard/falling forward style.

That said, both bring solid pass catching skills but I think Richard has the better hands. Not sure how good McKinnon is at pass pro -- it was one of his knocks coming out of Georgia Southern.
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I don’t know how he is in pass pro either, but should we be looking back to his Georgia southern days to get an idea? He’s been a 3rd down /CoP specialist, so I think he’s ok in pass pro or he wouldn’t be in there. 

 
Snorkelson said:
I don’t know how he is in pass pro either, but should we be looking back to his Georgia southern days to get an idea? He’s been a 3rd down /CoP specialist, so I think he’s ok in pass pro or he wouldn’t be in there. 
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Generally true, and haven't seen enough from McKinnon to know, but I do know instances where 3rd down COP/pass-catching backs have been solid at changing up the run attack, but not so hot at pass pro. Knowshon Moreno, Tim Hightower early on, Mewelde Moore, and Justin Fargas are names that roll off the top of my head in terms of 3rd down/COPs that struggled in pass pro.

Looking at how he fared with the Vikes and in college would tell a better story than me guessing, though. I think I've seen some good praise of McKinnon with the Vikes in this area.

 
Stompin' Tom Connors said:
Generally true, and haven't seen enough from McKinnon to know, but I do know instances where 3rd down COP/pass-catching backs have been solid at changing up the run attack, but not so hot at pass pro. Knowshon Moreno, Tim Hightower early on, Mewelde Moore, and Justin Fargas are names that roll off the top of my head in terms of 3rd down/COPs that struggled in pass pro.

Looking at how he fared with the Vikes and in college would tell a better story than me guessing, though. I think I've seen some good praise of McKinnon with the Vikes in this area.
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Um....i dont think he passed blocked in college at all....he was a wildcat style qb

 
Stompin' Tom Connors said:
Generally true, and haven't seen enough from McKinnon to know, but I do know instances where 3rd down COP/pass-catching backs have been solid at changing up the run attack, but not so hot at pass pro. Knowshon Moreno, Tim Hightower early on, Mewelde Moore, and Justin Fargas are names that roll off the top of my head in terms of 3rd down/COPs that struggled in pass pro.

Looking at how he fared with the Vikes and in college would tell a better story than me guessing, though. I think I've seen some good praise of McKinnon with the Vikes in this area.




 
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Adrian Peterson wouldn't come off the field if McKinnon couldn't offer some improvement there.

 
Stompin' Tom Connors said:
Yes and no. Similar small school pedigree, similar stature, but McKinnon is slightly heavier (lists as 216 to Richard's 205) and his running style incorporates a little more between-the-tackles/inside game to leverage his strength as opposed to Richard who can certainly work as a bowling ball but is more comfortable and natural leveraging his pure speed and elusiveness through the line of scrimmage than McKinnon, who is more upright and less creative/elusive. McKinnon actually seems like he plays closer to how DeAndre Washington fared this past year in terms of the running hard/falling forward style.

That said, both bring solid pass catching skills but I think Richard has the better hands. Not sure how good McKinnon is at pass pro -- it was one of his knocks coming out of Georgia Southern.
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McKinnon is a very good pass blocker, its just Lynch is one of the best in the NFL. So if Lynch is back, is there really a role big enough to warrant signing McKinnon, when Richard and to a lesser extent Washington are already signed cheap? Which is what I probably should have asked originally.

 
saintfool said:
Adrian Peterson wouldn't come off the field if McKinnon couldn't offer some improvement there.
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Adrian Peterson is a notorious struggler in the pass pro game. So a ho-hum pass pro RB would look fantastic in comparison.

 
Stompin' Tom Connors said:
Yes and no. Similar small school pedigree, similar stature, but McKinnon is slightly heavier (lists as 216 to Richard's 205) and his running style incorporates a little more between-the-tackles/inside game to leverage his strength as opposed to Richard who can certainly work as a bowling ball but is more comfortable and natural leveraging his pure speed and elusiveness through the line of scrimmage than McKinnon, who is more upright and less creative/elusive. McKinnon actually seems like he plays closer to how DeAndre Washington fared this past year in terms of the running hard/falling forward style.

That said, both bring solid pass catching skills but I think Richard has the better hands. Not sure how good McKinnon is at pass pro -- it was one of his knocks coming out of Georgia Southern.
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He was excellent in pass protection last year. He had fewer errors than Latavius Murray did.

It is something he struggled with early on. I think he has gotten a bit better in pass protection every year. He was good at it last season.

 
Stompin' Tom Connors said:
Not sure how good McKinnon is at pass pro -- it was one of his knocks coming out of Georgia Southern.
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I see it has been mentioned, but...

I'm willing to claim that he is the best pass protecting college QB in the league.

 
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ESPN's Jeremy Fowler reports the Bucs are interested in free agent Jerick McKinnon.

The Bucs, who have a wide-open backfield, would be an excellent landing spot for a back who has said he wants more work. Free agency is off to a fast start but it could be typically slow-developing for running backs.

Related: Buccaneers

Source: Jeremy Fowler on Twitter 

Mar 13 - 1:43 PM
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He's a much better fit for the one cut zone stuff than Hyde.  Mckinnon and breida are going to do a nice Freeman/Coleman impression imo. 

 
Snorkelson said:
What do you want for him? I’m thinking of acquiring him, I’ll offer 2.01. How close are we? Let’s say I own Breida. 
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Good question. Don't know yet. Honestly I love NFL FA so much I was stoked reading twitter till like 2 am and read a late tweet, that was sent after midnight, from both a Tampa beat writer and ESPN writer saying McKinnon to Tampa looked like a thing. I went to bed thinking McKinnon was going to be a Buc today and  by the time I wake up he's a 49'er. So I'm just processing this info.

But off the top of my head I put his value on par with someone like I would Drake. Who I don't own but would look to move if the right deal came along as well.

Would I do 2.1? I'd pay that for him but would not give him up for that right now. I'm not as sold on Breida as you or bostonfred but I do agree with part of BF's post he just made that McKinnon is looking like he's going to fill a Coleman or Freeman type of role. 

One way I try and look at players vs picks is rank them according to their position among rookies. Again need to think about this and of course landing spot matters but I think right now I'd put Mckinnon in the 5-7 range of rookie RB's. Since I think the top 6 picks in most drafts will be 5-6 RB's that starts to shape a bit of his value. I'm early in this thought process but thinking in the 8-10 range is what I'd be looking to get in a vacuum.

 
menobrown said:
Good question. Don't know yet. Honestly I love NFL FA so much I was stoked reading twitter till like 2 am and read a late tweet, that was sent after midnight, from both a Tampa beat writer and ESPN writer saying McKinnon to Tampa looked like a thing. I went to bed thinking McKinnon was going to be a Buc today and  by the time I wake up he's a 49'er. So I'm just processing this info.

But off the top of my head I put his value on par with someone like I would Drake. Who I don't own but would look to move if the right deal came along as well.

Would I do 2.1? I'd pay that for him but would not give him up for that right now. I'm not as sold on Breida as you or bostonfred but I do agree with part of BF's post he just made that McKinnon is looking like he's going to fill a Coleman or Freeman type of role. 

One way I try and look at players vs picks is rank them according to their position among rookies. Again need to think about this and of course landing spot matters but I think right now I'd put Mckinnon in the 5-7 range of rookie RB's. Since I think the top 6 picks in most drafts will be 5-6 RB's that starts to shape a bit of his value. I'm early in this thought process but thinking in the 8-10 range is what I'd be looking to get in a vacuum.
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I’ll probably have to offer the 1.09, but I suppose I’m ready to do that. 

 
Oscar Aparicio @BetterRivals

Jerick McKinnon is an elite athlete that’s an ideal fit for Shanahan’s scheme.

His pSPARQ score of 147.5 is right up there with Saquon Barkley (148.4).

His PFF receiving grade (82.4) is t-7th in the NFL. His pass blocking grade puts him 8th in the NFL.

This is gonna be fun.
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