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The Ravens that had a murderer for his entire tenure? 

totally coulda got him at 5.01, noob

God, I forgot how much of a ####-measuring contest the Shark Pool can be.  Thanks for reminding me, guys.  See you in another year.

west looked horrid. he had a few just abysmal runs. if crowell aint the 2 now, then id be shocked.

Put West in on 3rd and 1.... for a loss of 1. Why do coaches not learn to play the best players?

Because many are incompetent. If they didn't know someone, they wouldn't even be coaching in the NFL, they would be asking you 'would you like fries with that' when you roll up to the drive thru.

Antone Smith is currently the best, most explosive RB on the Falcons and even when the whole world knows it, Mike Smith keeps trotting out 3 yards and a cloud of dust Steven Jackson.

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8 touches for Tate, 6 touches for West.

So much for Crowell being clearly ahead of West.

Who said Crowell was clearly ahead of West? :shrug:
Apparently you missed all the grand standing last the past few weeks.

I read it all. I don't remember anybody saying Crowell was clearly ahead of West. :shrug:

Maybe you could quote all of those grandstanding posts where people said that, you know, prove you aren't full of crap?

Check this thread.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=707131&page=8

It's hard keeping up with all the threads with the same topic.

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west looked horrid. he had a few just abysmal runs. if crowell aint the 2 now, then id be shocked.

Put West in on 3rd and 1.... for a loss of 1. Why do coaches not learn to play the best players?

Because many are incompetent. If they didn't know someone, they wouldn't even be coaching in the NFL, they would be asking you 'would you like fries with that' when you roll up to the drive thru.

Antone Smith is currently the best, most explosive RB on the Falcons and even when the whole world knows it, Mike Smith keeps trotting out 3 yards and a cloud of dust Steven Jackson.

Yeah, most coaches are dumb. Crowell is clearly the most explosive back on Cleveland's roster, just like it took Tre Mason 6 games to see the field despite Stacy and Cunningham looking like they're stuck in the mud when they run.

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Crowell's ahead of West. Even West knows that. The interesting question was whether or not Crowell would take over the leftover carries exclusively. He didn't, so he's probably not a good start unless he gets the starting job somehow.

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Crowell's ahead of West. Even West knows that. The interesting question was whether or not Crowell would take over the leftover carries exclusively. He didn't, so he's probably not a good start unless he gets the starting job somehow.

So, clear as mud again.

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Crowell will emerge, Im confident of it.

After yesterday, there needs to be a shakeup in CLE... they had the division in their grasp, and they blew it against JAX.

Unacceptable. Yesterday was by a country mile their worst performance.

Tate looks ok, West dances like he's Patrick Swayze (with less results) and Crowell just means business. It's not hard to see if you watch the games.

Crowell gives my Browns the best chance to win. This isnt just a fantasy thing for me... it's my team. I follow their every move.

If ti were up to me, we'd see, carry wise: Crow - 15-18, tate 5-8, West 2-3

Until Gordon comes back, slam the rock. Mack or not, you have an elite o-line, so USE IT.

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Starting to feel bad I burned a high ww pick on this guy. He has one more week to show me something or is back to the crap pile

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8 touches for Tate, 6 touches for West.

So much for Crowell being clearly ahead of West.

Who said Crowell was clearly ahead of West? :shrug:
Apparently you missed all the grand standing last the past few weeks.
I read it all. I don't remember anybody saying Crowell was clearly ahead of West. :shrug:

Maybe you could quote all of those grandstanding posts where people said that, you know, prove you aren't full of crap?

Check this thread.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=707131&page=8

It's hard keeping up with all the threads with the same topic.

-Yes, that is a different thread.

-The poll option doesn't say or imply anything about Crowell being "clearly ahead" of West, it asks which one is the RB to own. Given what people think of Tate's abilitiy to stay healthy, how some people view their playing abilities, and the fact that winning in FF is about seeing what is around the corner/getting lucky and predicting future production, the responses to that poll would in no way indicate people thought Crowell was "clearly ahead" of West, regardless of the results.

-If there were multiple people saying Crowell was "clearly ahead of West" (right now of course), feel free to quote/copy/paste them into this thread, I would like to see that.

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Crowell will emerge, Im confident of it.

After yesterday, there needs to be a shakeup in CLE... they had the division in their grasp, and they blew it against JAX.

Unacceptable. Yesterday was by a country mile their worst performance.

Tate looks ok, West dances like he's Patrick Swayze (with less results) and Crowell just means business. It's not hard to see if you watch the games.

Crowell gives my Browns the best chance to win. This isnt just a fantasy thing for me... it's my team. I follow their every move.

If ti were up to me, we'd see, carry wise: Crow - 15-18, tate 5-8, West 2-3

Until Gordon comes back, slam the rock. Mack or not, you have an elite o-line, so USE IT.

i agree except for the part about the OLine.

Mack injury took it from elite to below average.

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Crowell will emerge, Im confident of it.

After yesterday, there needs to be a shakeup in CLE... they had the division in their grasp, and they blew it against JAX.

Unacceptable. Yesterday was by a country mile their worst performance.

Tate looks ok, West dances like he's Patrick Swayze (with less results) and Crowell just means business. It's not hard to see if you watch the games.

Crowell gives my Browns the best chance to win. This isnt just a fantasy thing for me... it's my team. I follow their every move.

If ti were up to me, we'd see, carry wise: Crow - 15-18, tate 5-8, West 2-3

Until Gordon comes back, slam the rock. Mack or not, you have an elite o-line, so USE IT.

i agree except for the part about the OLine.

Mack injury took it from elite to below average.

Did the o-line look that different without Mack? Is it fixable?

Did the Jags just play unusually good rush defense this week or did they just stack the box? If stacking the box is a winning formula against the Mack-less Browns, then that's very bad news for Tate, Crowell, and the Browns in general.

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Crowell will emerge, Im confident of it.

After yesterday, there needs to be a shakeup in CLE... they had the division in their grasp, and they blew it against JAX.

Unacceptable. Yesterday was by a country mile their worst performance.

Tate looks ok, West dances like he's Patrick Swayze (with less results) and Crowell just means business. It's not hard to see if you watch the games.

Crowell gives my Browns the best chance to win. This isnt just a fantasy thing for me... it's my team. I follow their every move.

If ti were up to me, we'd see, carry wise: Crow - 15-18, tate 5-8, West 2-3

Until Gordon comes back, slam the rock. Mack or not, you have an elite o-line, so USE IT.

i agree except for the part about the OLine.

Mack injury took it from elite to below average.

Did the o-line look that different without Mack? Is it fixable?

Did the Jags just play unusually good rush defense this week or did they just stack the box? If stacking the box is a winning formula against the Mack-less Browns, then that's very bad news for Tate, Crowell, and the Browns in general.

the line was a disaster yesterday, they're prepping Nick McDonald for the center job so Greco can go back to guard. McQuinstan may lose his job even if McDonald isn't ready.

The Jags line is pretty damn good though. Telvin Smith balled out too.

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8 touches for Tate, 6 touches for West.

So much for Crowell being clearly ahead of West.

Who said Crowell was clearly ahead of West? :shrug:

Allow me to be the first to welcome you to the Isaiah Crowell thread.

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As I understand this thread, the Browns ran all over the Pittsburgh Steelers because Cleveland had its starting center. The reason their running game was shut down by the mighty Jaguars was due primarily to the absence of Cleveland's starting center.

I own Crowell, and I dropped Stevan Ridley to obtain him. It's kind of like having Ridley again.

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I will be watching the next two games to see:

1: Just how far the ceiling has dropped for a Cleveland RB with Mack out.

2: How do they manage a 3-back rotation? That was only the 2nd game they had to deal with the issue. Crowell's snap count is already double West's, share of the carries should gradually trend that way as well.

Hopefully #1 doesn't make #2 irrelevant.

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As I understand this thread, the Browns ran all over the Pittsburgh Steelers because Cleveland had its starting center. The reason their running game was shut down by the mighty Jaguars was due primarily to the absence of Cleveland's starting center.

I own Crowell, and I dropped Stevan Ridley to obtain him. It's kind of like having Ridley again.

Two key pieces you're missing - the Steelers are soft up front, the Jags are not.

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Akron-Beacon Journal reports West was benched Sunday for poor performance and quotes Pettine as saying they will reevaluate how they're rotating their RBs.

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Akron-Beacon Journal reports West was benched Sunday for poor performance and quotes Pettine as saying they will reevaluate how they're rotating their RBs.

West is a good kid. But he dances at the line so much that he leaves too many yards on the play.

Think he'll be the one who get phased out, to be honest. Much like in STL there is only room for 2 RBs on a team, and CAR was clear evidence that 3 doesnt work

Crowell is simply the best runner on the Browns. Tate is a great COP, much like he was in HOU.

Anyone dropping him will soon regret it, even in redraft

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Akron-Beacon Journal reports West was benched Sunday for poor performance and quotes Pettine as saying they will reevaluate how they're rotating their RBs.

excerpt from FBG take on the article: and head coach Mike Pettine suggested a change was coming for the trio. 'We'll have a discussion this week as to how to best rotate those guys,' Pettine said.

maybe crowell gets a chance to take over even with tate healthy?

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Crowell should be the lead back, 100% - Tho I wouldnt argue with a split between him and tate for a week or two more to see who distinguishes himself...

If CLE is serious about making some noise, with their cake schedule coming up, they cant do this 3 back crap anymore. It does NOT work

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Crowell should be the lead back, 100% - Tho I wouldnt argue with a split between him and tate for a week or two more to see who distinguishes himself...

If CLE is serious about making some noise, with their cake schedule coming up, they cant do this 3 back crap anymore. It does NOT work

I really, really, really hope you are right about this guy and Mason. Any advice on what to do with Ball?

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Crowell should be the lead back, 100% - Tho I wouldnt argue with a split between him and tate for a week or two more to see who distinguishes himself...

If CLE is serious about making some noise, with their cake schedule coming up, they cant do this 3 back crap anymore. It does NOT work

I really, really, really hope you are right about this guy and Mason. Any advice on what to do with Ball?

Well, Im not the coach, so I can only say what I see...

Im an Auburn fan, so I watched a lot of Tre... Im a Browns fan, so I watch a lot of all of them.

Neither will likely be a 30 carry guy this season, but both have the ability to be 20 carry backs, absolutely.

Dynasty, you want both these guys (and I do... made every effort to get them, and Ill be glad to share the moves I made to acquire them).. redraft, it's harder to say, but they should both rise to the top soon, so long as they continue to perform at their current levels

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Akron-Beacon Journal reports West was benched Sunday for poor performance and quotes Pettine as saying they will reevaluate how they're rotating their RBs.

excerpt from FBG take on the article: and head coach Mike Pettine suggested a change was coming for the trio. 'We'll have a discussion this week as to how to best rotate those guys,' Pettine said.

maybe crowell gets a chance to take over even with tate healthy?

I admit that I would be shocked to see that happen but as a Crowell owner I will also be thrilled.

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Crowell should be the lead back, 100% - Tho I wouldnt argue with a split between him and tate for a week or two more to see who distinguishes himself...

If CLE is serious about making some noise, with their cake schedule coming up, they cant do this 3 back crap anymore. It does NOT work

I really, really, really hope you are right about this guy and Mason. Any advice on what to do with Ball?

Try to acquire Hillman.

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Akron-Beacon Journal reports West was benched Sunday for poor performance and quotes Pettine as saying they will reevaluate how they're rotating their RBs.

excerpt from FBG take on the article: and head coach Mike Pettine suggested a change was coming for the trio. 'We'll have a discussion this week as to how to best rotate those guys,' Pettine said.

maybe crowell gets a chance to take over even with tate healthy?

I'd be surprised. I hesitated to say the Browns would re-eval the 3 headed approach (even though I thought they should), but am glad to read they are. Tate will remain in the lead though. The C-G issues were the problem with the Tate/Crow run game last week. Hoping to hear McDonald is the starting C during Pettine's PC tomorrow and Greco goes back to guard.

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If CLE is serious about making some noise, with their cake schedule coming up, they cant do this 3 back crap anymore. It does NOT work

3 RB rotation can work. Just ask Sean Payton. I think it could work if the RBs offered a varied skill set. I don't think Clev's group does that. At least 1 guy has to be a 3rd down, pass catching guy to make a 3 back rotation work IMO. Clev doesn't have that.

Regardless, the major problem vs. Jax was blocking. None of the RBs looked good because there was by and large nowhere to run.

Maybe narrowing things down to just 2 backs helps. I'm guessing better blocking helps more.

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who knew stacking the box and forcing hoyer to win the game by throwing to miles austin would be a recipe for success. that oline looked very clevelandish(sp?) against jax. sorry to anyone that actually started a handcuff on their fantasy roster, hope some lessons were learned on being too cute. the factory of sadness strikes again.

- tate owner

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Akron-Beacon Journal reports West was benched Sunday for poor performance and quotes Pettine as saying they will reevaluate how they're rotating their RBs.

excerpt from FBG take on the article: and head coach Mike Pettine suggested a change was coming for the trio. 'We'll have a discussion this week as to how to best rotate those guys,' Pettine said.

maybe crowell gets a chance to take over even with tate healthy?

I admit that I would be shocked to see that happen but as a Crowell owner I will also be thrilled.

Maybe he was talking about the Crowell/West roatations. Crowell has not been such a standout that he deserves to start over Tate. Crowell had 2 TDs his first game after Tate got hurt and his only decent game was last week, the week that Tate also had a good game. Crowell has dropped the ball more then a few times on top of it.

Crowell is a compliment player right now.

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If CLE is serious about making some noise, with their cake schedule coming up, they cant do this 3 back crap anymore. It does NOT work

3 RB rotation can work. Just ask Sean Payton. I think it could work if the RBs offered a varied skill set. I don't think Clev's group does that. At least 1 guy has to be a 3rd down, pass catching guy to make a 3 back rotation work IMO. Clev doesn't have that.

Regardless, the major problem vs. Jax was blocking. None of the RBs looked good because there was by and large nowhere to run.

Maybe narrowing things down to just 2 backs helps. I'm guessing better blocking helps more.

NO and SD have been masters of telegraphing RB usage and getting production ( well at least with Ingram this year) by using backs with specific skill sets. I still don't like the approach however. I truly think rhythm is still a thing, even in the age of the RBBC. Plus, I don't think that there's a legit 3-back rotation this year that has proven to be super effective. On the ground specifically, the only other backfield aside from CLE's to have three RBs over 40 carries is the BAL backfield and anyone whose been paying attention to it knows they'd be better off leaving Pierce on the bench; he literally looks like he's running backwards. I think having 2 backs handle a majority of the work load is the best line. You reach a point of diminishing returns when you spread the carries to thin where "fresh legs" is out weighed by a lack of rhythm and subsequent production.

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Browns running back Terrance West was benched again in Jacksonville, and fellow rookie Isaiah Crowell was surprised he wasn't the first back off the bench behind Ben Tate.

What's more, both backs admitted they're having trouble getting into the flow of the game with their limited reps.

"Yeah, it's hard to get into rhythm with three guys just because you don't get warm,'' said Crowell, who rushed seven times for 18 yards -- a 2.6-yard average that was best among the backs -- with a long gain of 11. "You kind of come to the sideline and kind of get kind of cold.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/10/cleveland_browns_rb_terrance_w.html

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I own Crowell and I wish this thread would die.

Given the answers to my question, I agree with you.

Questions like yours should be taken to the AC forum, as they usually only serve to derail threads. But..you should start DMC. CLE's DL is so ####ty it has people believing Robinson is the future JAC RB.

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Are any Crowell owners giving up on him to pick up guys like Dixon, Brown, Shoelace, etc.?

No that is flash in the pan stuff, Crowell for life essay!!! In all seriousness I tried to get Denard in Yahoo to no avail. Otherwise the Bills situation seems cloudy to me...Maybe the league has figured Brown out? We'll see...

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As I understand this thread, the Browns ran all over the Pittsburgh Steelers because Cleveland had its starting center. The reason their running game was shut down by the mighty Jaguars was due primarily to the absence of Cleveland's starting center.

I own Crowell, and I dropped Stevan Ridley to obtain him. It's kind of like having Ridley again.

Two key pieces you're missing - the Steelers are soft up front, the Jags are not.

3 key pieces. Ridley's ACL

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Not yet..............................

Pettine is not interested in a running back by committee system in Cleveland. While Tate, West and Crowell are all viable options as starters, he would prefer for one to take hold of the spot instead of rotating in and out. Offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan understands the Browns need to be grateful for the talent at the running back position, but for consistency purposes, he would prefer one player be the true starter.

Read more: http://www.sportsworldreport.com/articles/35773/20141024/cleveland-browns-rumors-ben-tate-denies-terrance-west-isaiah-crowell-rb-competition-jordan-cameron-andrew-hawkins-struggle-brian-hoyer.htm#ixzz3H5ogtiQX

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