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Isaiah Crowell (2 Viewers)
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Soulfly3
Footballguy
he's been doing community work, speaking on 2nd chances and coached at RIvals too.
got his head on straight, it seems. which is key
Sabertooth
Footballguy
A lot of people were stating that he was the most talented back in the draft last year. Say he's got his head on straight, where do you rank him compared to this years guys? He just turned 22 so he's really young still.
Soulfly3
Footballguy
Listen, I haven't been shy at all about my love for 2 backs all year last year... Mason and Crowell.
If Crowell has worked on holding on to the ball, he'll win the job. Of that, I am confident. He's a beast.
Healthy o-line and some draft reinforcements will help as well.
socrates
Footballguy
I really like Crowell's chances of being truly special. He has that 'it' factor. That is why I was surprised by the headline on ESPN this morning: "Kiper: Gurley to Cleveland in Mock Draft 4.0"
Now, I get it this is merely one of many mock drafts, but I wonder what it is that led to Kiper predicting the Browns would use that pick on a RB when they appear to have bigger needs and a couple quality options at RB in Crowell and West.
jurb26
Footballguy
I've seen a ton of mocks this off season with Clev taking a RB. Gurley ups the ante but it's not that much of an outlier.
msommer
Footballguy
Why couldn't he take the job from West last year? And why should his ability to do so this year be judged higher?
If CLE is spending a 3rd or higher on RB again this year it's because they feel there is something missing.
Granted that something is as likely to be in West's game as in Crowell's. But still, cause for concern
If CLE is spending a 3rd or higher on RB again this year it's because they feel there is something missing.
Granted that something is as likely to be in West's game as in Crowell's. But still, cause for concern
Borden
Footballguy
I think lots of the general public isn't aware of the talent in the Browns back field. All they know is that they didnt have a super star last year. I think this board generally way ahead of the curve on offensive players but Crowell especially.
We forget that Joe Average doesn't know know who the back ups are much less multiple backs on almost every team.
The experts that do mock drafts are doing them for those people not us. It's a "Oh, I wonder who my team is going to pick."
Also, I think it's easy to do a write up. I haven't read any mock draft stuff on Cleveland or really the RBs but I bet it goes something like..
"The Brown's QB situation is in turmoil (and also rehab) and they need someone to help with that. If Cleveland can land RB-X to help take some of the pressure off of the pass game it could pay off, both now and long term. The Browns do have some potential break out players in the backfield now but RB-X could bring the offensive punch they needed last year."
We forget that Joe Average doesn't know know who the back ups are much less multiple backs on almost every team.
The experts that do mock drafts are doing them for those people not us. It's a "Oh, I wonder who my team is going to pick."
Also, I think it's easy to do a write up. I haven't read any mock draft stuff on Cleveland or really the RBs but I bet it goes something like..
"The Brown's QB situation is in turmoil (and also rehab) and they need someone to help with that. If Cleveland can land RB-X to help take some of the pressure off of the pass game it could pay off, both now and long term. The Browns do have some potential break out players in the backfield now but RB-X could bring the offensive punch they needed last year."
Soulfly3
Footballguy
socrates
Footballguy
Thanks. Admittedly, I've not looked at many mocks this year. It certainly would not surprise me to see Cleveland take a RB at some point after the first round, but if they use a first round pick to select either Gurley or Gordon, that drastically changes the outlook for Crowell (and West).
Soulfly3
Footballguy
I'll tell you what.
If Gordon or Gurley is drafted, I will leave the forum, completely. No questions asked.
There is absolutely NO WAY this happens. It's absolutely ludicrous to even project. These guys are clearly pandering to draft morons who know probably think Manziel stated the entire year last year and Manning is still a Colt.
If Gordon or Gurley is drafted, I will leave the forum, completely. No questions asked.
There is absolutely NO WAY this happens. It's absolutely ludicrous to even project. These guys are clearly pandering to draft morons who know probably think Manziel stated the entire year last year and Manning is still a Colt.
Van Dyman
Footballguy
amnesiac
beer is good
Soulfly3
Footballguy
c'mon, I'm a good dude :(LOL. Drafted in general or drafted by Cleveland?
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
So we should lock it up for the Browns then.....
...sorry couldn't resist.
signed,
a Jets fan who took the "dysfunctional" abuse for years.
jurb26
Footballguy
I don't personally think its a priority for CLEV to draft a RB early. I just think at their range and having 2 1st it's kind of a luxury to be able to take a RB as the BPA. I can't really argue there. If Gurley is available with their 2nd pick he's undoubtly the BPA IMO and he's better than what they have at RB. I still find it unlikely, though.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I think he had trouble with assignments on plays. He was only 21 years old. I think he failed in some meetings and got benched. Just guessing but that makes sense to me. That said I agree with the second half of your statement. If Cleveland goes RB before Saturday I'd say that really hurts the prospects of both West and Crowell because they have so many needs.
If I was Cleveland I'd grab a QB on Thursday and Friday.
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
Charlie Casserly put it best when discussing Gurley, Gordon and the Cowboys. If Gordon is there they take him. If Gurley's there they don't take him because his knee didn't pass medical. Same with the Browns. They only way Gurley is there is if he's got a medical flag.
I honestly expect Cleveland to be a little gun shy about using a first rounder on a RB after drafting Trent Richardson so highly in the first place. They dodged a bullet by getting Indy to trade for him. I know teams try not to let a past mistake influence them to pass on a premiere talent at the same position, but when you combine that with NFL teams' demonstrable recent tendency to wait until the second or third round to pick RBs, it seems there is little reason for CLE to pick a RB that early. And, they are well positioned to avoid drafting a RB early in any event with Crowell and West in the fold.
Soulfly3
Footballguy
Rimez
Footballguy
good teams take BPA while us bottom tier teams are always reaching for DBs out of need. passing on stud RBs is exactly what made the browns scramble to trade up and then overpay for west last season. both were in the dog house (no pun intended) with pettine last season and there is a new offensive coordinator in town. If they want a stud RB in the first i dont see an UDFA or a 3rd rounder stopping them.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Please quote one person that called him a bust.
He was an UDFA. Pretty tough for him to be a bust.
Soulfly3
Footballguy
If your rookie RB puts up those kind of numbers on only 157 touches, and you draft ANOTHER rb in the 1st round, that's basically the team admitting he's a bust.
People defending taking Gordon/Gurley in the first, are by default, calling Crowell a bust
werdnoynek
Footballguy
it's always Soulfly and whoever he's pimping vs the world.No one has called him a bust... he's been in the league for a year. Even most of the wet blankets around here won't start calling guys out until the first game into their second season.
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jurb26
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
What?Soulfly3 said:
If the Browns are looking to win with defense and a strong running game, and at pick 19 Gurley is the highest rated player on their board having two decent runners on their team shouldn't stop them from taking him.
I'm not advocating for the Browns to take a running back, and I am not saying they will - and no one has said anything stronger than what I said above.
Crowell looks like an average to above average back to me. He's a grinder and a team can certainly win with him - but if (and only if) Gurley is rated by the team as a top level prospect at the position, taking him and building an offense around him would not be a bad pick. Crowell would then make good depth behind your stud (which doesn't in the slightest make him a bust).
I'm sure if the Browns do take him, we'll be subject to 100s of posts calling Gurley the greatest thing since sliced bread.
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Soulfly3
Footballguy
You and I see two very, very different things.
Which is cool. That's what makes this game fun
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I did too. Addition by subtraction actually. I had a guy make me a trade offer that included Terrance West. Not sure why but the trade went like this:
I offer:
Ameer Abdullah
2016 2nd rounder
for
Devante Parker
then he countered with
Ameer Abdullah
Terrance West
for
Devante Parker
2016 2nd rounder
I jumped on it. So I guess I'm all in on the Crow. I was one pick away from drafting Duke Johnson before that trade went down and to be honest, the only one I really like is Crowell. I think West and Duke are compliments to him.
I offer:
Ameer Abdullah
2016 2nd rounder
for
Devante Parker
then he countered with
Ameer Abdullah
Terrance West
for
Devante Parker
2016 2nd rounder
I jumped on it. So I guess I'm all in on the Crow. I was one pick away from drafting Duke Johnson before that trade went down and to be honest, the only one I really like is Crowell. I think West and Duke are compliments to him.
Lott's Fingertip
Footballguy
I bought a share of Crow a week or so ago, paid a 2016 2nd (late). It is a 4 yr max contract league, but we have a two man 2nd year squad that I can stash Crow on for this season. If I had to give him a contract immediately I would not have liked it as much.
I do think he is the best runner on the team. Go team Crow!
I do think he is the best runner on the team. Go team Crow!
Faust
MVP
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
I agree. I think he could be awesome. Tons of people last year said he was the best runner in the draft. If he's even in Jeremy Hill's zip code he could make some real noise.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Here's the thing, if Crowell is the week one starter and he goes 22-110-2, he will stay the starter. If he goes 15-35, he's not going to. Che's the key to this. With Mack coming back I think he's got a good chance to succeed.
