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This is a fair point. When Damien was with the Dolphins, he was considered a good pass blocker and receiver, but as a runner, his YPC was pretty poor and he was effectively pushed to the bench by Kenyan Drake.
The simplest answer is that hyde is not cut out to be a feature back in an outside zone offense or a primary receiving threat but is capable in the ware role, and that williams is not cut out to be a 300 carry guy but is capable in the hunt role.
Williams averaged 3.58 in his 4 years with Miami. This was while Ajayi was averaging 4.3 and Drake was at 4.95 on the same offense. Hyde averaged 4.2 in his 4 years with the 49ers. Hyde won't put up monster numbers but he will impact Williams more than many want to admit.
He's got the potential to have the biggest swing in value in all of FF this season. It's important to note the Chiefs chose to roster Darrel & not risk losing him on the PS, despite having Hunt & company.
Wait to 'buy' until,after the nfl draft...i would still think of him as a 1 year rental in dynasty....i would be very hesitant to overpay for him
This is a guy I was crushing all over until he didn't get drafted. He was quite productive when he got his shots at LSU, and being behind Fournette and Guice isn't exactly a huge condemnation as to why he didn't get more touches - kind of the pre-Josh Jacobs model. But going undrafted was a huge sign and I listen intently to NFL guys' actions. I'm so torn on this guy and I have flipped my thoughts from "must stash" to "don't waste precious resources" probably a dozen times.
The thing with these types of players is there's no investment so resources don't come into play. The worst you're wasting is a roster spot & while there's always a limited number of them, the last few are typically fluid. If another team already owns him, offer a 4th & see what happens. 4th-rounders are throw away picks the vast majority of the time, anyway. If push comes to shove, I'd probably give a late 3rd (2019 class) for Darrel.
I turned down 1.08 for him a month or so ago, and in a second offer from someone else in a different league I turned down two 2nds from this year. I might regret the 1.08, but for this year's draft I think the 1.08 is right on the cusp of being worth a 1 year rental of high RB1 numbers. I just don't think I'm going to like anyone at 1.08 this year.
Not saying Darrel will be another example, but we've seen plenty of productive RBs go undrafted. It's just not a position that NFL GMs place at a premium unlike in fantasy land.
You aren't in my leagues and no, the resources are not nearly that unconstrained.
Oh I hear ya and agree, I haven't at all written him off by a long shot. But the predictive value of draft position is pretty positive and I can't recklessly hunt exceptions when working within a budget.
It doesn’t matter if I’m in your league or not. What resources? Even if it requires some form of “payment”, Darrel costs little to nothing. If somebody already owns him, that’s a different story.
It matters because last year Rico was the best stash ever and this year the backup D. Williams is a good stash at no cost according to you. At some point you have to choose what stash to make. For you it seems like you have unlimited benches at no cost according to your posts. I see your posts and you made good points about the backup D. Williams until I remember last years posts about Rico.
What part of stash don’t you understand? It essentially means a player that likely won’t pan out, but has an outstanding upside to cost ratio.
You may not get posters like me, but I will never understand you. You literally said Rico was the best stash you could ever have, last year. The problem was that could be the case, but it didn't turn out that way and you will never admit it. This year is Darrel Williams. I point out thet you again say there is no reason to not roster him, but there is. It depends on roster size and again each spot you need to evaluate on who is most important. You act like this is some complex theory. It is easy. You claim guys are the best stash ever that never pan out.
You're simply not getting it.
You keep attacking me as the poster with: I don't understand a stash and I am not getting it. Let's keep it to the players.
I’ll try one more time. He should be rostered in every single traditional-type dynasty league in existence. Whether you or anyone else does it depends on a lot of factors.
I believe the point smbkrypt24 is making is one of opportunity cost. He feels that he hasn't seen enough from Darrel to value him over anyone on his current roster. Your point is that someone in the league must have a spot... And that does depend on factors such as roster size.
I explained it's up to the individual whether to roster him. Also, I mentioned I was referring to traditional-type dynasty leagues where rosters are typically pretty good size.
I think this is a good way to look at it. Full disclosure, I own Hyde and Darrel in a keeper league, hoping something works out for '19 but who knows.
I have him on 4 of my 5 rosters, but you're building him up into more than he really is at this point.Football Jones said:
I'm not building him up. People need to understand the concept of a pure stash/flier/whatever you want to call it. I like to use the very bottom of my roster on super-high upside guys as opposed to safer, lower upside guys. I'm simply sharing my thoughts on the matter.
Who says it’s hard to grasp? I’m sure most do, but it’s obvious some people don’t by their comments.
If Darrel was a FA in your league it would require a big investment?
I'm not seeing this at all... people seem to be beyond polite here.
LOL. No thanks.
You’re being a bit bizarre here. People are disagreeing with your extreme stance (must be owned under all circumstances!!!) and you’re lecturing as if they’re not smart enough to understand what a flier or stash is. We all get it, and while like I said I own him in 4 of 5 leagues, he’s really not better or worse than most end of bench stashes. He’s far more likely not to pan out than to return huge dividends but of course I agree he offers that potential huge dividend.
He needs to be owned in all typical dynasty lesgues, but as always, take or leave what you read on this site.
