BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
I looked at total after the receiving list. Derp.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WillDa05/gamelog/post/
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RB Damien Williams, ATL (2 Viewers)
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https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WillDa05/gamelog/post/
Deamon
Footballguy
Deamon
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Obviously he has the trust of the coaching staff and will still be used. However, he is not the talent of CEH and gains a lot of his stats because of the position he is put in and the other weapons on the team. This is why CEH has skyrocketed up draft boards because people see a more talented player getting the benefit of the system around him. That is not to say that the Chiefs will just through Williams to the curb (yet).
Williams will have value and is a bargain in drafts right now. He will still be used until he gets injured which may be when CEH begins to take over. For redrafts, I would much rather get Williams at his price than CEH at his and that is the value here. The Chiefs like Williams and trust him and that will go a long way at the beginning of the season to seeing the field.
Williams will have value and is a bargain in drafts right now. He will still be used until he gets injured which may be when CEH begins to take over. For redrafts, I would much rather get Williams at his price than CEH at his and that is the value here. The Chiefs like Williams and trust him and that will go a long way at the beginning of the season to seeing the field.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Are we 100% certain that CEH isn't also a product of a system? In 2018, he had less carries and receptions than Nick Brosette and wasn't anything remotely close to a star player. The 2019 LSU offense breaks nearly every college record possible and CEH shined but so did everyone. Burrow had 65 TDs, Jefferson had 1500/18, Chase had 1700/20, Marshall had 600/13 and Moss had 500/4. These are video game numbers and I don't think it's easy to parse out who/what was driving this production and who was along for the ride. I think it's a very bold stance to assume Damien is the inferior talent to CEH.
Agree here 100%
My comments were in regard to Williams and that he isn't going to be tossed aside. I was also stating that many people see CEH has much more talented (I am one of those guys) which is why he moved up on draft boards. CEH could be a product of a system but if so he has shown he can succeed in that type of system. He has the tools and should be put in a position to maximize his ability to succeed. It is yet to be seen if he will actually take advantage of that opportunity.
I think Williams is the better redraft value but I also have CEH at the top of my dynasty board. I was a believer in his talent before the landing spot. The landing spot has just made it virtually impossible for me to get him now since I am at the back end of the first in my drafts.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Yeah, I agree with what you said about value and early usage this year. I am just challenging the assumed notion everyone is making that CEH is for sure more talented than Williams.
jm192
Footballguy
I don't even care if he's more talented. I'll just concede the point that he is.
Doesn't matter. Williams has thrived in this offense (he just can't stay healthy for 16 games). He knows the offense. He breaks big plays. He moves the chains. He pass protects well. He catches the ball out of the backfield well. They won a superbowl with him as their starter. He does everything you want. It makes zero sense to toss an asset like that on the bench for the entire game.
ChuckLiddell
Footballguy
Gotta think Devonta Freeman's phone will be ringing pretty soon.
finfansteve
Footballguy
JoeSteeler
Footballguy
Does he have an underlying medical condition?
Faust
MVP
There was no specific reason cited on his decision to opt-out as far as I can tell:
Deamon
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Yes and even in pressure packed playoff games they went with a late round rookie over him in Darwin.
Put me down as a no on KC bringing anyone in of relevance at RB. They did not when Spencer Ware went down and don't see them doing it now either.
As for who is the backup I don't know but my guess would be if any one RB can seize that role it would be Darwin, but its more likely to me that it's a RBBC if CEH went down.
ChuckLiddell
Footballguy
I really think this is the spot for D. Freeman. Yes, he is on my dynasty team so yes I am biased/hopeful. But, it just makes too much sense. This is the defending champs and favorites to win it this year. There is no preseason to get CEH up to speed, and a totally jacked up offseason in general. Freeman can catch the ball, and bang it between the tackles but most of all is a proven veteran presence who has played in big games and wont need time to adjust to the NFL game. I loved Darwin in the preseason last year but he showed pretty much nothign in the regular season. He may prove to be an NFL RB, but he hasnt yet. If this was not a contending team, I could see them rolling with what they have - but this is a team that can repeat, and having a veteran in the backfield seems wise on many levels.
Deamon
Footballguy
it makes so much sense that it probably won't happen.
Also not sure they can afford him.
Faust
MVP
PFN speculating that the handcuff might be DeAndre Washington:
Source: How Damien Williams’ choice to opt-out affects fantasy football
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Sight unseen and all but I think CEH can do everything Freeman can at this point but do it better.
Darwin showed nothing because he did not get a chance.
37/128 rushing and 9/43 receiving.
46/193 rushing and 9/86 receiving.
One of those numbers above is Darwins rookie year and the other is Westbrooks. No not saying he's Westbrook, and if KC thought that they'd not have drafted CEH, just pointing out that I don't think his usage or production his rookie year should be held against him, but I would say being active for the playoffs and SB over McCoy was kind of telling.
I think the lack of preseason games as it relates to RB's is seriously overblown. RB's barely play in preseason games. He's got a good 40 days of camp to mentally prepare and a few weeks of tackling. I think that's good enough especially since it's my belief they start the season using multiple RB's because this is a team that should feel good about prospects of playing deep into playoffs and having CEH not worn down would seem to be something they will be cognizant about.
If the Chiefs end up adding a RB I think it will be someone struggling to or not making another teams roster. For example the Steelers just signed Smallwood and some beat writers feel it's between him and Samuels for that last spot. The loser of that battle is the kind of RB I think the Chiefs might poke around on.
And in my opinion was the obvious SB MVPThe last time Damien played with the Chiefs, they won the Super Bowl
Mahomes 286 py, 2 TDs, 2 INTs 4 sacks, 63.5 QBR
Williams 133 tot yards, 2 tds, scored the go ahead TD on a catch and sealed it with a 38 yard rushing TD. Shredded that 9ers D.
I agree. Same as Dominic Rhodes should have been the MVP when the Colts won the Super Bowl but you knew it was going to Manning
jabarony
Footballguy
Yup. As much as CEH drafted crushed Williams value, Williams' return will crush (what's left of) CEH's value.
jtd13
Footballguy
While we're at it, James White in SB 51.
What's a RB gotta do to get some respect around here?
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rockaction
Footballguy
His mother had cancer. As a football decision, it didn't work well. As a life decision, who on earth is going to begrudge him that?
LawFitz
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
I was not impressed with the Rookie. But with that said, he was a Rookie and he will get better. Not sure what to make of the situation. Williams runs the offense like a pro.
Possibly a good buy low and if doesn't pan out, unless the guy who owns his is unreasonable, it won't have cost you much.
Possibly a good buy low and if doesn't pan out, unless the guy who owns his is unreasonable, it won't have cost you much.
rockaction
Footballguy
Not many people were impressed with the rookie. But Damien Williams just signed with Chicago. No rookies there. A diversion about Edwards-Helaire is fine, but I think you got this all confused.
rockaction
Footballguy
sushinsky4tsar
Footballguy
I was really liking the possibility that KC might want to get him back into the mix. Not so much for a healthy share of touches in the #2 role, but for the potential goldmine of a CEH injury, or even a slim possibility that KC would come to the conclusion that their offense works better with DW on the field.
I'm really not sure that he's worth holding in dynasty now. In my case, he's worth holding if Tarik Cohen is not expected to make a full recovery or if there's any possibility that he outperforms Montgomery to the point that he earns an even split or better.
Otherwise, he was really more of a lotto ticket on either team with some potential to be serviceable even without an injury ahead of him. It's not a terrible landing, but I'm not sure that the potential payout on the Bears makes him a lotto ticket worth keeping. For context, I was definitely keeping him ahead of Kerryon with a return to the Chiefs. With the Bears, I like him better in redraft than KJ or any mid-round RB prospect, but it's a tougher call for dynasty.
I'm really not sure that he's worth holding in dynasty now. In my case, he's worth holding if Tarik Cohen is not expected to make a full recovery or if there's any possibility that he outperforms Montgomery to the point that he earns an even split or better.
Otherwise, he was really more of a lotto ticket on either team with some potential to be serviceable even without an injury ahead of him. It's not a terrible landing, but I'm not sure that the potential payout on the Bears makes him a lotto ticket worth keeping. For context, I was definitely keeping him ahead of Kerryon with a return to the Chiefs. With the Bears, I like him better in redraft than KJ or any mid-round RB prospect, but it's a tougher call for dynasty.
