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Why did it take me 40 ####### years to find this thread.. If I remember correctly, according to Warren Sharp, Green only lined up in the slot on ~10% of his snaps last year. What I noticed on his

Boot OFF get hype

They played themselves when they didn't trade him.

In a 12 team standard 4 player keeper league, I just traded AJ Green straight for Antonio Brown to a team that's pretty much out of it, I think I did well with what the situation is if he misses multiple games.

I will end up with : AP, Ellington, Brown, and Kelvin Benjamin going into 2015.

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In a 12 team standard 4 player keeper league, I just traded AJ Green straight for Antonio Brown to a team that's pretty much out of it, I think I did well with what the situation is if he misses multiple games.

I will end up with : AP, Ellington, Brown, and Kelvin Benjamin going into 2015.

So he actually thinks he got a better WR by buying the broken one? Lame trade. Brown will be ranked higher next year.

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In a 12 team standard 4 player keeper league, I just traded AJ Green straight for Antonio Brown to a team that's pretty much out of it, I think I did well with what the situation is if he misses multiple games.

I will end up with : AP, Ellington, Brown, and Kelvin Benjamin going into 2015.

So he actually thinks he got a better WR by buying the broken one? Lame trade. Brown will be ranked higher next year.

He probably thinks Green will be more valuable going into next year. It's hard to say he's wrong, necessarily. Green was WR4 the last two years in a row and WR14 as a rookie. That is an excellent track record of production.

Antonio's best season was WR24 until last season when he was WR7. It's not out of line to believe Green has a better chance at top level production into the future, is it?

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Rotoworld:

The Bengals' website suggests A.J. Green's recurring toe injury may cost him "multiple games."

NFL Network previously reported the Bengals were considering shutting down Green "for a few weeks." Now without Green, Tyler Eifert, and Marvin Jones, the Bengals may have to resume leaning on their run game to grind out wins. Green is scheduled to meet with two different foot specialists about the toe. Writes Bengals.com's Geoff Hobson, "anything is on the table pending what they prescribe for treatment, ranging to more treatments while playing, to shutting him down for a few weeks, or maybe longer." We're considering Green week to week.
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Oct 8 - 11:23 PM
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Sanu will be a decent play but if people are expecting huge number, I think you are going to be disappointed. Where do you think coverage will be shifted with Green out??

Probably shifts to the box? Might hurt Gio much more than hinder Sanu

In week 2 this season, Green got hurt very early in the game. He didn't even show up in the stat sheet. Gio's numbers that day:

27 rushes, 90 yards, 1 TD

5 catches, 79 yards, 0 TD

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Sanu will be a decent play but if people are expecting huge number, I think you are going to be disappointed. Where do you think coverage will be shifted with Green out??

Probably shifts to the box? Might hurt Gio much more than hinder Sanu

In week 2 this season, Green got hurt very early in the game. He didn't even show up in the stat sheet. Gio's numbers that day:

27 rushes, 90 yards, 1 TD

5 catches, 79 yards, 0 TD

Hill had pretty good numbers as well. I'd feel more comfortable playing either RB before one of the other WRs.

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Sanu will be a decent play but if people are expecting huge number, I think you are going to be disappointed. Where do you think coverage will be shifted with Green out??

Probably shifts to the box? Might hurt Gio much more than hinder Sanu

True, but I can see it hinder both

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Sanu will be a decent play but if people are expecting huge number, I think you are going to be disappointed. Where do you think coverage will be shifted with Green out??

Probably shifts to the box? Might hurt Gio much more than hinder Sanu

In week 2 this season, Green got hurt very early in the game. He didn't even show up in the stat sheet. Gio's numbers that day:

27 rushes, 90 yards, 1 TD

5 catches, 79 yards, 0 TD

There is quite a difference between a player like Green getting hurt during a game, and teams having a week or more to gameplan knowing Green won't be there.

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Is it really that difficult to shift the focus from "this guy" to "that guy" with 58 minutes remaining in a game?

I am gonna go out on a limb and say gameplanning is just slightly more complex than that. I mean, I know it sounds crazy and all. PLus this is no longer week two, teams have more games to look at as well.

But yeah, I would bet pretty much anything that any D coordinator in the history of football would tell you that there is a difference.

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In a 12 team standard 4 player keeper league, I just traded AJ Green straight for Antonio Brown to a team that's pretty much out of it, I think I did well with what the situation is if he misses multiple games.

I will end up with : AP, Ellington, Brown, and Kelvin Benjamin going into 2015.

So he actually thinks he got a better WR by buying the broken one? Lame trade. Brown will be ranked higher next year.

Brown will not be ranked higher than Green in keeper leagues.

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In a 12 team standard 4 player keeper league, I just traded AJ Green straight for Antonio Brown to a team that's pretty much out of it, I think I did well with what the situation is if he misses multiple games.

I will end up with : AP, Ellington, Brown, and Kelvin Benjamin going into 2015.

So he actually thinks he got a better WR by buying the broken one? Lame trade. Brown will be ranked higher next year.

Brown will not be ranked higher than Green in keeper leagues.

Agreed. Maybe in his own personal rankings he prefers Brown, but he will be about 1 out of every 100 people in that regard.

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I certainly prefer Green long-term. This might be Brown's career year, and sure the TDs will regress. I'm just 3-2 right now in a competitive league (it's standard 3 WR, 2 RB, 2 flex, 21 roster spots and I lost AP), middling/top in points and felt the need to make this move. Must-win time, and Brown isn't a big downgrade longterm imo. If Green is top 3, Brown is probably in the top 10.

This sucks for Green though, I enjoyed owning him these years, Sanu has already been productive. Should be picked up. I think without having to double AJ Green, teams will just blitz more often -- especially if you have a good defense, instead of shift coverage from this guy to that guy.

or at least it gives them the option to blitz more, you can also stack the box.

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Not sure why RN deleted his posts, but I agree with the ghost. In game adjustments happen, but I don't think Sanu will thrive and pick up AJ's numbers and I wouldn't say that Gio would be unaffected and do better than normal. Sanu is doing well on his own, but with no Jones back yet and no Green, he will get the best DB instead of getting the advantage of having Green get the best DB/safety help.

The Gio numbers in week 2 are useless less because of the Atlanta run D. Even if they tried to make an adjustment, their run D is atrocious. Also, Gio didn't do that well running. He was 27-90 or just over 3ypc. He got a ton of volume, but was largely ineffective against the worst run D.

If I am the DC, I cover Sanu with my best guy, put an extra guy in the box and let anyone else try and beat me. There isn't much left.

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Not sure why RN deleted his posts, but I agree with the ghost. In game adjustments happen, but I don't think Sanu will thrive and pick up AJ's numbers and I wouldn't say that Gio would be unaffected and do better than normal. Sanu is doing well on his own, but with no Jones back yet and no Green, he will get the best DB instead of getting the advantage of having Green get the best DB/safety help.

The Gio numbers in week 2 are useless less because of the Atlanta run D. Even if they tried to make an adjustment, their run D is atrocious. Also, Gio didn't do that well running. He was 27-90 or just over 3ypc. He got a ton of volume, but was largely ineffective against the worst run D.

If I am the DC, I cover Sanu with my best guy, put an extra guy in the box and let anyone else try and beat me. There isn't much left.

I agree - I don't see that much from Cincy right now with all the injuries. If they try to make Dalton beat them through the air, then Cincy fans will be in for a long day. Contain Gio and the run game, and this game should be done early.

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I'm not liking this recipe for Cincy. The loss of Marvin Jones has been huge, then they lose Eifert in game 1. Gresham has been horrible so far this year and is going to have to step it up. Their problem is that they simply don't have depth at WR. Sanzenbacher and Tate are horrible wr's. With all the wr's in the draft, you would have thought they would have made a play for one of them, to replace the loss of Hawkins.

This team needs to unleash Jeremy Hill in a big way. Gio is their only real playmaker and it makes no sense to tire him out by running him 20-25 times, especially in this upcoming game. I'd really like to see Hill and Gio on the field at the same time. Gio needs to move to a quasi-slot role for a good portion of the time. They have to think creatively or their offense is going to grind to a halt.

It's a shame this is happening, as Dalton is playing as good as he ever has. Seeing the field well and making good decisions. He just hasn't had a full deck to work with.

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Not sure why RN deleted his posts, but I agree with the ghost. In game adjustments happen, but I don't think Sanu will thrive and pick up AJ's numbers and I wouldn't say that Gio would be unaffected and do better than normal. Sanu is doing well on his own, but with no Jones back yet and no Green, he will get the best DB instead of getting the advantage of having Green get the best DB/safety help.

The Gio numbers in week 2 are useless less because of the Atlanta run D. Even if they tried to make an adjustment, their run D is atrocious. Also, Gio didn't do that well running. He was 27-90 or just over 3ypc. He got a ton of volume, but was largely ineffective against the worst run D.

If I am the DC, I cover Sanu with my best guy, put an extra guy in the box and let anyone else try and beat me. There isn't much left.

I agree - I don't see that much from Cincy right now with all the injuries. If they try to make Dalton beat them through the air, then Cincy fans will be in for a long day. Contain Gio and the run game, and this game should be done early.

I think it's highly unlikely that this game is "done early", especially in Carolina's favor.

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Rotoworld:

Coach Marvin Lewis said A.J. Green's injury is a "little bit more than" turf toe.

Green has been battling some kind of toe issue since Week 2 and aggravated it during Wednesday's practice. Both the Bengals' website and NFL Network have reported that the team is considering shutting him down for a few weeks. With Marvin Jones (foot) also sidelined, Mohamed Sanu is the No. 1 wideout for Andy Dalton.

Source: Ross Tucker on Twitter

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This has been a rough week for Bengals fans like myself. With the brutal showing on Sunday night football and now this injury to our top playmaker. We desperately need to get Marvin Jones back, I don't trust Tate or Sanzenbacher. I'm not saying that Gio is going to have better numbers while Green is out due to me thinking that opposing teams are going to focus on stopping the run game and gio in general, but I do think now we are going to see a spike in screen plays to Gio and Sanu a lot more to get them out in space and have them create. Hopefully this will keep Gio's fantasy numbers up.

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If you are in a position where you are 2-3 or worse and likely need to sell due to an extended absence, who would you be targeting in return?

I'm 2-3 but I'm thinking I'm going to hold on to Green. I have Cobb, Hopkins, T-Will and Torrey Smith behind him. I'd rather they sit Green for 2 or 3 weeks than have them do what the Bears did with Marshall, and have him put up single digits points each week.

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If you are in a position where you are 2-3 or worse and likely need to sell due to an extended absence, who would you be targeting in return?

I'm 2-3 but I'm thinking I'm going to hold on to Green. I have Cobb, Hopkins, T-Will and Torrey Smith behind him. I'd rather they sit Green for 2 or 3 weeks than have them do what the Bears did with Marshall, and have him put up single digits points each week.

2-3, same as you. Sold AJ Green and Spiller for Leveon Bell to another 2-3 team. It's a PPR 2 player keeper though so I think the other player did it just to get AJ as a future keeper since he doesn't think he wins this year.

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Sanu will be a decent play but if people are expecting huge number, I think you are going to be disappointed. Where do you think coverage will be shifted with Green out??

Probably shifts to the box? Might hurt Gio much more than hinder Sanu

In week 2 this season, Green got hurt very early in the game. He didn't even show up in the stat sheet. Gio's numbers that day:

27 rushes, 90 yards, 1 TD

5 catches, 79 yards, 0 TD

You don't think Gio getting to feast on ATL in Week 2 had a lot to do with those numbers? Something tells me a tougher Panthers defense, and a few days to really game plan versus adjusting on the fly, may alter Gio's results a bit.

I also doubt the Bengals want GIo to have 32 touches, as he did in Week 2.

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Sanu will be a decent play but if people are expecting huge number, I think you are going to be disappointed. Where do you think coverage will be shifted with Green out??

Probably shifts to the box? Might hurt Gio much more than hinder Sanu

In week 2 this season, Green got hurt very early in the game. He didn't even show up in the stat sheet. Gio's numbers that day:

27 rushes, 90 yards, 1 TD

5 catches, 79 yards, 0 TD

You don't think Gio getting to feast on ATL in Week 2 had a lot to do with those numbers?

Of course. Just pointing out that Gio benefited with an increased workload. Also, the Panthers are quietly #23 in the NFL in total defense and #23 in the NFL in rush defense. Bernard should still have some nice combined numbers Sunday.

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I certainly prefer Green long-term. This might be Brown's career year, and sure the TDs will regress. I'm just 3-2 right now in a competitive league (it's standard 3 WR, 2 RB, 2 flex, 21 roster spots and I lost AP), middling/top in points and felt the need to make this move. Must-win time, and Brown isn't a big downgrade longterm imo. If Green is top 3, Brown is probably in the top 10.

This sucks for Green though, I enjoyed owning him these years, Sanu has already been productive. Should be picked up. I think without having to double AJ Green, teams will just blitz more often -- especially if you have a good defense, instead of shift coverage from this guy to that guy.

or at least it gives them the option to blitz more, you can also stack the box.

people said the same thing about brown after last year as well. AJG has been dinged up with a lot of minor things and seems to miss time without playing through them.

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If you are in a position where you are 2-3 or worse and likely need to sell due to an extended absence, who would you be targeting in return?

maclin, sanders, kelvin should be reasonably obtainable and a nice upgrade. or hilton, hopkins, harvin, djax, wallce + a solid rb.

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I certainly prefer Green long-term. This might be Brown's career year, and sure the TDs will regress. I'm just 3-2 right now in a competitive league (it's standard 3 WR, 2 RB, 2 flex, 21 roster spots and I lost AP), middling/top in points and felt the need to make this move. Must-win time, and Brown isn't a big downgrade longterm imo. If Green is top 3, Brown is probably in the top 10.

This sucks for Green though, I enjoyed owning him these years, Sanu has already been productive. Should be picked up. I think without having to double AJ Green, teams will just blitz more often -- especially if you have a good defense, instead of shift coverage from this guy to that guy.

or at least it gives them the option to blitz more, you can also stack the box.

people said the same thing about brown after last year as well. AJG has been dinged up with a lot of minor things and seems to miss time without playing through them.
I show he's played 15, 16, 16 games prior to this year.
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I certainly prefer Green long-term. This might be Brown's career year, and sure the TDs will regress. I'm just 3-2 right now in a competitive league (it's standard 3 WR, 2 RB, 2 flex, 21 roster spots and I lost AP), middling/top in points and felt the need to make this move. Must-win time, and Brown isn't a big downgrade longterm imo. If Green is top 3, Brown is probably in the top 10.

This sucks for Green though, I enjoyed owning him these years, Sanu has already been productive. Should be picked up. I think without having to double AJ Green, teams will just blitz more often -- especially if you have a good defense, instead of shift coverage from this guy to that guy.

or at least it gives them the option to blitz more, you can also stack the box.

people said the same thing about brown after last year as well. AJG has been dinged up with a lot of minor things and seems to miss time without playing through them.
I show he's played 15, 16, 16 games prior to this year.

While that is true, I can recall at least 3 games through those years where he was injured but playing as an unproductive decoy, there are sure to be more.

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I certainly prefer Green long-term. This might be Brown's career year, and sure the TDs will regress. I'm just 3-2 right now in a competitive league (it's standard 3 WR, 2 RB, 2 flex, 21 roster spots and I lost AP), middling/top in points and felt the need to make this move. Must-win time, and Brown isn't a big downgrade longterm imo. If Green is top 3, Brown is probably in the top 10.

This sucks for Green though, I enjoyed owning him these years, Sanu has already been productive. Should be picked up. I think without having to double AJ Green, teams will just blitz more often -- especially if you have a good defense, instead of shift coverage from this guy to that guy.

or at least it gives them the option to blitz more, you can also stack the box.

people said the same thing about brown after last year as well. AJG has been dinged up with a lot of minor things and seems to miss time without playing through them.
I show he's played 15, 16, 16 games prior to this year.

While that is true, I can recall at least 3 games through those years where he was injured but playing as an unproductive decoy, there are sure to be more.

Just like every other player ever. Are we saying green is injury prone or something?

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I certainly prefer Green long-term. This might be Brown's career year, and sure the TDs will regress. I'm just 3-2 right now in a competitive league (it's standard 3 WR, 2 RB, 2 flex, 21 roster spots and I lost AP), middling/top in points and felt the need to make this move. Must-win time, and Brown isn't a big downgrade longterm imo. If Green is top 3, Brown is probably in the top 10.

This sucks for Green though, I enjoyed owning him these years, Sanu has already been productive. Should be picked up. I think without having to double AJ Green, teams will just blitz more often -- especially if you have a good defense, instead of shift coverage from this guy to that guy.

or at least it gives them the option to blitz more, you can also stack the box.

people said the same thing about brown after last year as well. AJG has been dinged up with a lot of minor things and seems to miss time without playing through them.
I show he's played 15, 16, 16 games prior to this year.

While that is true, I can recall at least 3 games through those years where he was injured but playing as an unproductive decoy, there are sure to be more.

Just like every other player ever. Are we saying green is injury prone or something?

lol, of course not. They're all shades of the same truth. AJ Green isn't "injury prone" but AJ Green also isn't iron-man.

Either way, Antonio Brown might be the best I could have gotten for him 1 hr after he got carted off the field.

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I cant fault someone too much for dealing green for brown in a dynasty right now but i see no way green isnt ranked and worth a lot higher than brown in the offseason.

They're both the same age, I really anticipate similar yardage and a 4-5 TD deficit for Brown through their careers.

30 points a year is a lot, it basically drops you from the truly elite WR, into that no-mans land anywhere from ~7-16. I feel I can compete this year, and it's a 11 years running 250$ keeper league where everyone knows each other, can't go out like this.. haha

How my season has been going -- AP, Ellington, Moreno, AJ Green, Decker, I wouldn't be surprised if Antonio Brown is injured next week...

Good luck to all you Green owners out there, if you're in a keeper league, I'd only get Julio, Brown and maybe DT in return. If not, that list someone posted above isn't bad. I'd personally go for Benjamin + value if you could.

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League isn't the type to trade for hurt players.

Im holding on to him...hoping he gets somewhat healthy for the stretch run (and holding Gordon too).

Just have to hope the rest of my team keeps performing (4-1 right now).

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League isn't the type to trade for hurt players.

Im holding on to him...hoping he gets somewhat healthy for the stretch run (and holding Gordon too).

Just have to hope the rest of my team keeps performing (4-1 right now).

Yeah at 4-1 I'd stay put. I'm 2-3 and have good depth at WR (Green, Cobb, Michael Floyd, Hopkins, T Will, and TSmith), so I could stay put, but I don't fully trust Hopkins/TWill/Smith and I start 3 WR.

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Any other Green owners dealing him away? Curious to know what people are getting in return.

was offered Alfred Morris for him...said im gonna wait a bit and see how this plays out...hope i didnt miss the bus and get ''something'' for him

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Today was the trade deadline in my PPR league so there was a bit of pressure to make a deal. I sent Green/Miller/Hill for Harvin/Rashad Jennings/Andre Williams. Not a slam dunk deal, but I think it's a good one given the fact that I needed help at RB anyway (Miller and Vereen were my top two guys).

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League isn't the type to trade for hurt players.

Im holding on to him...hoping he gets somewhat healthy for the stretch run (and holding Gordon too).

Just have to hope the rest of my team keeps performing (4-1 right now).

Yeah at 4-1 I'd stay put. I'm 2-3 and have good depth at WR (Green, Cobb, Michael Floyd, Hopkins, T Will, and TSmith), so I could stay put, but I don't fully trust Hopkins/TWill/Smith and I start 3 WR.

Only start 2 WRs...and we drafted similarly with Hopkins and Floyd).

Going to be rough the next couple of weeks with those two rotating with Wayne too.

This week really sucked.

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