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Watching the court room on ESPN as Peterson makes his plea, and in the back ground their are six prisoners in black and white stripe garb in awe of Peterson sitting in the front row. Just strange to see a million dollar athlete getting a easy deal while less fortunate criminals get black and whites and no leniency.

Did those guys commit similar acts and you know they received no leniency?

I totally agree that money often unfairly drives the results in our legal system, but this seems to be a reach.

:rolleyes:

I dated a lawyer and her exact words to me, "In law money and status (popularity) are the only things that matter. ALWAYS and EVERY TIME. Ask OJ."

Appalling. And that's what's wrong with the legal world, the lawyers.

It is, she was a defense lawyer, worked as a prosecutor for some time, so she knows both sides of it. She said nothing is more corrupt than our legal system and I believe it. No longer with her, but I learned a lot from her about law. Not about how to obey it but the ways around it.

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Watching the court room on ESPN as Peterson makes his plea, and in the back ground their are six prisoners in black and white stripe garb in awe of Peterson sitting in the front row. Just strange to see a million dollar athlete getting a easy deal while less fortunate criminals get black and whites and no leniency.

Did those guys commit similar acts and you know they received no leniency?

I totally agree that money often unfairly drives the results in our legal system, but this seems to be a reach.

:rolleyes:

I dated a lawyer and her exact words to me, "In law money and status (popularity) are the only things that matter. ALWAYS and EVERY TIME. Ask OJ."

I don't get the :rolleyes:.

I agreed that money often drives the result, but I don't know how you know what those particular guys did or what offers they may have received.

In my life I am surrounded by lawyers. Specifically my aunt, uncle and mother all worked in New York as public defenders and for the city. Plea deals were the matter of course for rich and poor. The preference is not to go to court, which take a lot of time and money, but to get an "acceptable" result via a plea.

Again, money makes it easier but many defendants get offered pleas.

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Done deal. Just pleaded no contest to a lesser charge. The judge deferred a finding of guilty for 2 years subject to good behavior and 80 hours of community service.

The legal talking heads on ESPN are pretty positive he will be reinstated with time served.

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Done deal. Just pleaded no contest to a lesser charge. The judge deferred a finding of guilty for 2 years subject to good behavior and 80 hours of community service.

The legal talking heads on ESPN are pretty positive he will be reinstated with time served.

There's no "time served". He was deactived voluntarily by the team, not suspended. The whole idea of "time served" implies some sort of suspension. He may still get some sort of suspension for the weed, but that will be Goodell's call.

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His pleading of no contest apparently triggers the new Domestic Abuse policy, the penalty of which is 6 games suspended without pay. The talking heads seem to be in agreement that the NFL will reinstate him and fine him 6 game checks. But nobody on ESPN's panel thinks he will serve anymore suspension time.

In my mind Adrian Peterson is back and will be playing after the bye this week. On fresh legs. Get him if you can.

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Done deal. Just pleaded no contest to a lesser charge. The judge deferred a finding of guilty for 2 years subject to good behavior and 80 hours of community service.

The legal talking heads on ESPN are pretty positive he will be reinstated with time served.

There's no "time served". He was deactived voluntarily by the team, not suspended. The whole idea of "time served" implies some sort of suspension. He may still get some sort of suspension for the weed, but that will be Goodell's call.

Do you think they are going to suspend him for 6 games going forward after he was deactivated for 8 games already? If so, I've got a nice bridge to sell you. Edited by General Tso
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His pleading of no contest apparently triggers the new Domestic Abuse policy, the penalty of which is 6 games suspended without pay. The talking heads seem to be in agreement that the NFL will reinstate him and fine him 6 game checks. But nobody on ESPN's panel thinks he will serve anymore suspension time.

In my mind Adrian Peterson is back and will be playing after the bye this week. On fresh legs. Get him if you can.

Thing is, he never served a suspension. So if they decide to fine him 6 game checks and not suspend him any games, they would be double backing on thier own policy. If the 6 game suspension kicks in, he's not playing any fantasy worthy games this year.

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Done deal. Just pleaded no contest to a lesser charge. The judge deferred a finding of guilty for 2 years subject to good behavior and 80 hours of community service.

The legal talking heads on ESPN are pretty positive he will be reinstated with time served.

There's no "time served". He was deactived voluntarily by the team, not suspended. The whole idea of "time served" implies some sort of suspension. He may still get some sort of suspension for the weed, but that will be Goodell's call.

Do you think they are going to suspend him for 6 games going forward after he was deactivated for 8 games already? If so, I've got a nice bridge to sell you.

If they reinstate him without forcing his mandated 6 game suspension, they will be trampling on their own policy.

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His pleading of no contest apparently triggers the new Domestic Abuse policy, the penalty of which is 6 games suspended without pay. The talking heads seem to be in agreement that the NFL will reinstate him and fine him 6 game checks. But nobody on ESPN's panel thinks he will serve anymore suspension time.

In my mind Adrian Peterson is back and will be playing after the bye this week. On fresh legs. Get him if you can.

Thing is, he never served a suspension. So if they decide to fine him 6 game checks and not suspend him any games, they would be double backing on thier own policy. If the 6 game suspension kicks in, he's not playing any fantasy worthy games this year.

Did you drop ADP recently or something. The writing is on the wall and your are going ostrich mode. Edited by weebs
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His pleading of no contest apparently triggers the new Domestic Abuse policy, the penalty of which is 6 games suspended without pay. The talking heads seem to be in agreement that the NFL will reinstate him and fine him 6 game checks. But nobody on ESPN's panel thinks he will serve anymore suspension time.

In my mind Adrian Peterson is back and will be playing after the bye this week. On fresh legs. Get him if you can.

Thing is, he never served a suspension. So if they decide to fine him 6 game checks and not suspend him any games, they would be double backing on thier own policy. If the 6 game suspension kicks in, he's not playing any fantasy worthy games this year.

8 games of paid deactivation on the Commisssioner's Exempt List, with a subsequent fine of 6 game checks, is the equivalent of a 6 game suspension. And everyone on ESPN this afternoon, from legal experts to NFL officianados, think this is what will likely happen.
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Done deal. Just pleaded no contest to a lesser charge. The judge deferred a finding of guilty for 2 years subject to good behavior and 80 hours of community service.

The legal talking heads on ESPN are pretty positive he will be reinstated with time served.

There's no "time served". He was deactived voluntarily by the team, not suspended. The whole idea of "time served" implies some sort of suspension. He may still get some sort of suspension for the weed, but that will be Goodell's call.

Do you think they are going to suspend him for 6 games going forward after he was deactivated for 8 games already? If so, I've got a nice bridge to sell you.

If they reinstate him without forcing his mandated 6 game suspension, they will be trampling on their own policy.

You mean like they did with Ray Rice? There is plenty of wiggle room for the NFL to fine him 6 game checks and reinstate Peterson with the 8 games he's already missed due to being on the exempt list.

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Worth noting, he pleaded No Contest to a misdemeanor charge, and the Judge did NOT find him guilty.

His pleading of No Contest still triggers the Domestic Abuse policy. That is a fact. Commissioner's decision whether to credit his 8 games of deactivation as time served. Thought is, with a fine of 6 game checks it would be WAY over the top for the Commissioner to ask him to serve an additional 6 game suspension. I'd be shocked if Goodell did that, especially since it was a misdemeanor charge and he wasn't even found guilty of it.

The only question in my mind is what the Vikings do after he is reinstated. My guess is they will go along with the Commissioner's ruling which would likely be time served, punished accordingly, and get read for week 11.

I just gambled my entire season and traded for the rights to the #1 free agency pick this week.

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Watching the court room on ESPN as Peterson makes his plea, and in the back ground their are six prisoners in black and white stripe garb in awe of Peterson sitting in the front row. Just strange to see a million dollar athlete getting a easy deal while less fortunate criminals get black and whites and no leniency.

Did those guys commit similar acts and you know they received no leniency?

I totally agree that money often unfairly drives the results in our legal system, but this seems to be a reach.

:rolleyes:

I dated a lawyer and her exact words to me, "In law money and status (popularity) are the only things that matter. ALWAYS and EVERY TIME. Ask OJ."

I don't get the :rolleyes:.

I agreed that money often drives the result, but I don't know how you know what those particular guys did or what offers they may have received.

In my life I am surrounded by lawyers. Specifically my aunt, uncle and mother all worked in New York as public defenders and for the city. Plea deals were the matter of course for rich and poor. The preference is not to go to court, which take a lot of time and money, but to get an "acceptable" result via a plea.

Again, money makes it easier but many defendants get offered pleas.

Its so cliche and inaccurate when people rail about, "celebrity treatment" in the court room. Like just about everyone here I know a lawyer too. I share a bed with her every night.

The fact of the matter is that it's about money and the competence of your legal representation....not status. It takes time and money to exhaust all of the motions, appeals, and legal maneuvers that our system allows. People, regardless of status, who can afford high priced and competent (ask Mike Tyson) attorneys that will do all of these things will get better results than those who don't. Money talks but that's not just the legal system. that's a lot of life for better or worse.

As was stated in the cluster F of a thread where many of us were debating Peterson's situation, a misdemeanor plea and community service is a common outcome for this type of situation based on what social workers and others have observed.

But I guess it sounds cooler to rail about celebrity treatment and what would have happened to the average Joe. Even though most of that is inaccurate and without context.

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What about the 80 hours community service? That is two weeks - any thoughts on if he would have to complete the service before reinstatement?

That would be the Commissioner's call. Half of the community service was mandated to be in the form of public service announcements. There is o imminent time limit on the commit service imposed by the judge. My guess is it has to be done within the two year period of his "probation".

I don't think Goodell would make him serve the community service prior to his reinstatement.

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What about the 80 hours community service? That is two weeks - any thoughts on if he would have to complete the service before reinstatement?

Nah, that kind of stuff is usually volunteer stuff you do AROUND your normal life. You sign up for a food bank or something and do that 4 hours every Tuesday and they keep track of it on a sheet for ya. YOu turn it in to the courts within a specified time and that's it.

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As I had suspected when this issue was in full blown twitterati mode... the potential tort issues likely originating from the CBA are the real reasons for this whole exemption charade.

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Worth noting, he pleaded No Contest to a misdemeanor charge, and the Judge did NOT find him guilty.

His pleading of No Contest still triggers the Domestic Abuse policy. That is a fact. Commissioner's decision whether to credit his 8 games of deactivation as time served. Thought is, with a fine of 6 game checks it would be WAY over the top for the Commissioner to ask him to serve an additional 6 game suspension. I'd be shocked if Goodell did that, especially since it was a misdemeanor charge and he wasn't even found guilty of it.

The only question in my mind is what the Vikings do after he is reinstated. My guess is they will go along with the Commissioner's ruling which would likely be time served, punished accordingly, and get read for week 11.

I just gambled my entire season and traded for the rights to the #1 free agency pick this week.

We are picking nits here but since it was such a sensitive issue AND since the NFL had such a knee-jerk reaction to it AND since the ESPN media was on record immediately afterwards saying things like "the Vikings have moved on" and "I wouldn't be surprised if Peterson never plays another down for the Vikings", let's explore the bolded.

If I understand correctly, Peterson hasn't lost any money yet. So he was never fined. He also was never suspended, technically, because he was on the COmmish's exempt list (is that right?). So why is it over the top (or even accurate) for media to speculate serving "another 6 game suspension" when he didn't serve one to start with. He was, for lack of better term, removed or tabled until the legal process worked itself out but he hasn't been officially punished. So for the media to say they will fine him 6 games and call it good actually seems like a big no-no because they are accepting payment in money form in lieu of time served which the policy is built around.

Again, not trying to get an argument on this, just trying to understand how the angle holds up.

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Wish this could have been a little quieter until tomorrow. :wall: He was my #1 pick and I had to drop him due to injuries because we can only have 4 RB on our roster. I couldn't pick him up last weekend because waiver run on Tues and Wed nights. Going to put the max blind bid in for him, but I have the best record so I am sure I won't get him. Sure would have been nice to have him and Foster running together. :wall:

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Worth noting, he pleaded No Contest to a misdemeanor charge, and the Judge did NOT find him guilty.

His pleading of No Contest still triggers the Domestic Abuse policy. That is a fact. Commissioner's decision whether to credit his 8 games of deactivation as time served. Thought is, with a fine of 6 game checks it would be WAY over the top for the Commissioner to ask him to serve an additional 6 game suspension. I'd be shocked if Goodell did that, especially since it was a misdemeanor charge and he wasn't even found guilty of it.

The only question in my mind is what the Vikings do after he is reinstated. My guess is they will go along with the Commissioner's ruling which would likely be time served, punished accordingly, and get read for week 11.

I just gambled my entire season and traded for the rights to the #1 free agency pick this week.

We are picking nits here but since it was such a sensitive issue AND since the NFL had such a knee-jerk reaction to it AND since the ESPN media was on record immediately afterwards saying things like "the Vikings have moved on" and "I wouldn't be surprised if Peterson never plays another down for the Vikings", let's explore the bolded.

If I understand correctly, Peterson hasn't lost any money yet. So he was never fined. He also was never suspended, technically, because he was on the COmmish's exempt list (is that right?). So why is it over the top (or even accurate) for media to speculate serving "another 6 game suspension" when he didn't serve one to start with. He was, for lack of better term, removed or tabled until the legal process worked itself out but he hasn't been officially punished. So for the media to say they will fine him 6 games and call it good actually seems like a big no-no because they are accepting payment in money form in lieu of time served which the policy is built around.

Again, not trying to get an argument on this, just trying to understand how the angle holds up.

What we layman believe to be "fair" is irrelevant at this point. It's in the hands of the attorneys. Those who think the commissioner will dole out a Big Ben kind of suspension are forgetting that whole drama happened before the new CBA was adopted... a CBA created to specifically address potential abuse of power from the commissioner.

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Worth noting, he pleaded No Contest to a misdemeanor charge, and the Judge did NOT find him guilty.

His pleading of No Contest still triggers the Domestic Abuse policy. That is a fact. Commissioner's decision whether to credit his 8 games of deactivation as time served. Thought is, with a fine of 6 game checks it would be WAY over the top for the Commissioner to ask him to serve an additional 6 game suspension. I'd be shocked if Goodell did that, especially since it was a misdemeanor charge and he wasn't even found guilty of it.

The only question in my mind is what the Vikings do after he is reinstated. My guess is they will go along with the Commissioner's ruling which would likely be time served, punished accordingly, and get read for week 11.

I just gambled my entire season and traded for the rights to the #1 free agency pick this week.

We are picking nits here but since it was such a sensitive issue AND since the NFL had such a knee-jerk reaction to it AND since the ESPN media was on record immediately afterwards saying things like "the Vikings have moved on" and "I wouldn't be surprised if Peterson never plays another down for the Vikings", let's explore the bolded.

If I understand correctly, Peterson hasn't lost any money yet. So he was never fined. He also was never suspended, technically, because he was on the COmmish's exempt list (is that right?). So why is it over the top (or even accurate) for media to speculate serving "another 6 game suspension" when he didn't serve one to start with. He was, for lack of better term, removed or tabled until the legal process worked itself out but he hasn't been officially punished. So for the media to say they will fine him 6 games and call it good actually seems like a big no-no because they are accepting payment in money form in lieu of time served which the policy is built around.

Again, not trying to get an argument on this, just trying to understand how the angle holds up.

Yes, he was on the Commissioner's Exempt List, which means he doesn't play but continues to be paid. Now that the legal situation has been resolved, it's in Goodell's hands how to handle things. It could go a number of different ways. There's no precedent for any of this, and there are all sorts of complex issues at play relating to the CBA.

Goodell could fine him 6 games and reinstate him immediately, with time served. Or, he could also enforce a 6 game suspension from today going forward. Nobody knows what he all do. Personally, I think he will do the former, but that's just my opinion.

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Worth noting, he pleaded No Contest to a misdemeanor charge, and the Judge did NOT find him guilty.

His pleading of No Contest still triggers the Domestic Abuse policy. That is a fact. Commissioner's decision whether to credit his 8 games of deactivation as time served. Thought is, with a fine of 6 game checks it would be WAY over the top for the Commissioner to ask him to serve an additional 6 game suspension. I'd be shocked if Goodell did that, especially since it was a misdemeanor charge and he wasn't even found guilty of it.

The only question in my mind is what the Vikings do after he is reinstated. My guess is they will go along with the Commissioner's ruling which would likely be time served, punished accordingly, and get read for week 11.

I just gambled my entire season and traded for the rights to the #1 free agency pick this week.

We are picking nits here but since it was such a sensitive issue AND since the NFL had such a knee-jerk reaction to it AND since the ESPN media was on record immediately afterwards saying things like "the Vikings have moved on" and "I wouldn't be surprised if Peterson never plays another down for the Vikings", let's explore the bolded.

If I understand correctly, Peterson hasn't lost any money yet. So he was never fined. He also was never suspended, technically, because he was on the COmmish's exempt list (is that right?). So why is it over the top (or even accurate) for media to speculate serving "another 6 game suspension" when he didn't serve one to start with. He was, for lack of better term, removed or tabled until the legal process worked itself out but he hasn't been officially punished. So for the media to say they will fine him 6 games and call it good actually seems like a big no-no because they are accepting payment in money form in lieu of time served which the policy is built around.

Again, not trying to get an argument on this, just trying to understand how the angle holds up.

Yes, he was on the Commissioner's Exempt List, which means he doesn't play but continues to be paid. Now that the legal situation has been resolved, it's in Goodell's hands how to handle things. It could go a number of different ways. There's no precedent for any of this, and there are all sorts of complex issues at play relating to the CBA.

Goodell could fine him 6 games and reinstate him immediately, with time served. Or, he could also enforce a 6 game suspension from today going forward. Nobody knows what he all do. Personally, I think he will do the former, but that's just my opinion.

plus how fast will Goodell work on it? He seems to take his sweet time with stuff.

Roger is the great unknown

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On the question of whether there will be an additional 6 month suspension, I don't think there will be any other than time served. Whether he was paid or not during that time is not an issue if he gives up that money. It was clear that the league prevented (and really had no choice but to prevent) ADP from playing or practicing with the Vikings when it put ADP on the exempt list. Just the day before that happened, the Vikes were still planning to roll ADP out on the field the coming week. That is effectively an indefinite suspension from the game. In any event, there is no precedent for this situation because that exempt status has been so rarely used. If the NFL thinks the public can be convinced that ADP has served his time and has rehabilitated, I think it will let him play this year.

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Totally off the wall question - lets say he's reinstated tomorrow, but Minnesota doesn't want him back so they full out cut him. I have no idea of the salary cap ramifications of that....

If a totally reinstated "free agent", where would his best situation be for the rest of this year? Both him personally, as well as for fantasy purposes?

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Great point Shutout. How does the Vikings organization walk back from those comments about moving on? Or do they need to?

What comments? Unless I'm mistaken the moving on stuff was reporting/speculating from the media. There is nothing for them to walk back from.

That said I still think there is a wide range of things that could happen here and it may come down to if the Vikings want him back on the field or if they really do want to turn the page.

IF they want him back on the field this season I have a hard time seeing how the NFL would parlay this into essentially a season long ban, regardless of him being paid for at least 10 games. On the other hand, if the Viking don't won't him then I could see the league keeping him on the exemption list for some length of time or doing what seems less likely to me and announcing a 6 game suspension starting now.

Either way I believe Peterson has a good argument to get back on the field and his legal team is looking forward to many more billable hours.

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Worth noting, he pleaded No Contest to a misdemeanor charge, and the Judge did NOT find him guilty.

His pleading of No Contest still triggers the Domestic Abuse policy. That is a fact. Commissioner's decision whether to credit his 8 games of deactivation as time served. Thought is, with a fine of 6 game checks it would be WAY over the top for the Commissioner to ask him to serve an additional 6 game suspension. I'd be shocked if Goodell did that, especially since it was a misdemeanor charge and he wasn't even found guilty of it.

The only question in my mind is what the Vikings do after he is reinstated. My guess is they will go along with the Commissioner's ruling which would likely be time served, punished accordingly, and get read for week 11.

I just gambled my entire season and traded for the rights to the #1 free agency pick this week.

We are picking nits here but since it was such a sensitive issue AND since the NFL had such a knee-jerk reaction to it AND since the ESPN media was on record immediately afterwards saying things like "the Vikings have moved on" and "I wouldn't be surprised if Peterson never plays another down for the Vikings", let's explore the bolded.

If I understand correctly, Peterson hasn't lost any money yet. So he was never fined. He also was never suspended, technically, because he was on the COmmish's exempt list (is that right?). So why is it over the top (or even accurate) for media to speculate serving "another 6 game suspension" when he didn't serve one to start with. He was, for lack of better term, removed or tabled until the legal process worked itself out but he hasn't been officially punished. So for the media to say they will fine him 6 games and call it good actually seems like a big no-no because they are accepting payment in money form in lieu of time served which the policy is built around.

Again, not trying to get an argument on this, just trying to understand how the angle holds up.

Yes, he was on the Commissioner's Exempt List, which means he doesn't play but continues to be paid. Now that the legal situation has been resolved, it's in Goodell's hands how to handle things. It could go a number of different ways. There's no precedent for any of this, and there are all sorts of complex issues at play relating to the CBA.

Goodell could fine him 6 games and reinstate him immediately, with time served. Or, he could also enforce a 6 game suspension from today going forward. Nobody knows what he all do. Personally, I think he will do the former, but that's just my opinion.

plus how fast will Goodell work on it? He seems to take his sweet time with stuff.

Roger is the great unknown

Good point. He will definitely dot all his i's and cross all his t's. The NFL has already come out and said, "we cannot provide a timetable". But with the bye week for the Vikings this coming week there is some time.
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Werder on ESPN just said the NFLPA wants an expedited decision and they think he is already punished longer then he should be. They want him punished like anyone else who has a misdemeanor. NFLPA wants him on the field now.

He is playing week 11.

Is just got a Peterson woody

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Werder on ESPN just said the NFLPA wants an expedited decision and they think he is already punished longer then he should be. They want him punished like anyone else who has a misdemeanor. NFLPA wants him on the field now.

He is playing week 11.

Is just got a Peterson woody

I have had one all day.

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I'd like to see part of his plea agreement be on the condition he does a cameo on the "no more" commercial. Last face on the screen with ADP mouthing 'no more', then fade to black.

I'd like to see him do Cameo's Word Up.

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I think the question is whether there will be a media backlash against the Vikings if they play him. Will they lose sponsors, etc.

Or does the short attention span of the public not care anymore.

In my mind AP comes back either week 11 or week 17, and it depends on the following:

1) How the public reacts in the next few days - particularly the folks in Minnesota. My sense is that people are vey forgiving, and if AP acts contrite and humble there won't be any public outcry influencing Goodell.

2) Roger Goodell.... Oh Roger... This is the real wild card. As we all know, it's always about Roger. Will he want to seem extra tough on domestic violence after completely botching the Ray Rice situation? I am worried about this. I think there's a chance he may come down extra tough on AP to compensate for his prior failings.

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Totally off the wall question - lets say he's reinstated tomorrow, but Minnesota doesn't want him back so they full out cut him. I have no idea of the salary cap ramifications of that....

If a totally reinstated "free agent", where would his best situation be for the rest of this year? Both him personally, as well as for fantasy purposes?

Quick thoughts, in descending order of how good the situation would be for him:

New England

San Diego

Denver

Buffalo

St. Louis

Tampa

Jacksonville

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Totally off the wall question - lets say he's reinstated tomorrow, but Minnesota doesn't want him back so they full out cut him. I have no idea of the salary cap ramifications of that....

If a totally reinstated "free agent", where would his best situation be for the rest of this year? Both him personally, as well as for fantasy purposes?

Quick thoughts, in descending order of how good the situation would be for him:

New England

San Diego

Denver

Buffalo

St. Louis

Tampa

Jacksonville

Waivers run based on record, right? If so it wouldn't get past Oakland or Jax.

Moss had this situation a couple years ago when NE let him go.

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Werder on ESPN just said the NFLPA wants an expedited decision and they think he is already punished longer then he should be. They want him punished like anyone else who has a misdemeanor. NFLPA wants him on the field now.

He is playing week 11.

Hes been getting paid, not sure how much of a punishment he has had, most suspensions are without pay

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