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Adrian Peterson Status Updates (1 Viewer)
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BigJim®
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Sort of odd that La Canfora contemplates that topic without describing why it is viable or puts any pressure on the situation. Can anyone remind me how a contract without guaranteed $ would be treated if the player retires? If it immediately frees up the cap amount previously allotted to AP, I'd think the Vikes would be fine with that (i.e. not having to face AP or be chided for selling low, and avoiding the exorbitant salary they probably would have preferred lowering).Faust said:
Old Smiley
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Dezbelief
Footballguy
I would think the player's salary comes off the books and any remaining signing bonus gets added in against the cap.
skinsrule05
Footballguy
And if he retires is that it, he can't play for another team ever? Or can that be used as a way out of a contract and then he says he changed his mind and is a free agent?
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Dezbelief
Footballguy
If he retires the Vikings still have rights to him. Rolando McClain retired while under contract with the Ravens. When Dallas wanted to sign him after a year off the Cowboys had to trade for him from Baltimore. I think they paid a 7th or so for him.
BigJim®
Footballguy
That would be my expectation as well. I think I've read the Vikes can demand return of any unearned prorated signing bonus if AP holds out, and would think that same recourse is available upon a decision to retire. If it becomes a cap wash depending on the Vikes sticking to their guns and using their rights, I don't see how this is a realistic strategy for AP to get more $. He won't get freedom, won't get 2015 guaranteed (and in fact loses that entire possible salary), and will potentially need to pay back money he's already pocketed. All this while clock runs on his dwindling career. Very baffling that a writer like La Canfora would dabble on this topic without drilling down to why it advantages AP.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I wonder how pissed he is at his son for putting him in this situation.
Old Smiley
Footballguy
I like Zimmer a lot.
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mikmak8902
Footballguy
Shutout
Footballguy
Did something develop further that spurred this statement by Zimmer or did he just offer it out there?
Donnybrook
Footballguy
Turns out Eisen was 100% correct.
Charles Robinson is going to have to work to find another trade scenario that makes any sense when all Peterson really wants is guaranteed money.
Man, he used to be my favorite player but I'm so done with this a$$hat.
http://m.startribune.com/sports/access-vikings/peterson-rants-on-twitter-about-his-contract?section=/sports
http://m.startribune.com/sports/access-vikings/peterson-rants-on-twitter-about-his-contract?section=/sports
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
Is Zimmer aware he's not the GM and ultimately isn't the one who makes those decisions?Old Smiley said:
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Zimmer is a hot head but I don't think he'd make that strong of a statement on a controversial topic without knowing how his GM feels. I'm guessing they agree.
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
i'm sure they are on the same page, just funny to hear him come out with statements that imply he's the one in charge of making those decisions.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Well, he was asked a question.
I didn't take it as him implying he's in charge... I took it as more of a "as things stand now" statement.
David Dodds
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a good post replying to Peterson's rant about one side having all the power:
https://twitter.com/Ryan_Boser
https://twitter.com/Ryan_Boser
Old Smiley
Footballguy
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
I just retweeted that a little bit ago. Was a great post. Sad to see so many people defend him.
Mr. Retukes
Footballguy
LOL at all the retirement talk. Peterson is not walking away from $13 million dollars. He'll show up for camp the day before salaries are guaranteed and collect his paycheck.
snogger
Footballguy
Pots
Footballguy
That's a stupid tweet. If he sat out willingly, it would hold water, but he was willing to play all year.
snogger
Footballguy
That's a stupid tweet. If he sat out willingly, it would hold water, but he was willing to play all year.
I let my personal "F U Peterson" feelings after his Rant yesterday cloud my judgement.At this point my hope is he shows up next month for Mandatory Training Camp, plays for the Vikings, and the first game at TCF when he is introduced the entire crowd either stays completely silent, or Boos..
The way this has gone (his apparent lack of self-awareness regarding this situation being his doing) has me thoroughly convinced that it'll be 95% boos from the crowd for his first home game. I've been a huge fan of his, and at this point I'd rather not see him play another down in the NFL. Just complete and utter cluelessness defined.That's a stupid tweet. If he sat out willingly, it would hold water, but he was willing to play all year.
snogger
Footballguy
Up until yesterdaysThe way this has gone (his apparent lack of self-awareness regarding this situation being his doing) has me thoroughly convinced that it'll be 95% boos from the crowd for his first home game. I've been a huge fan of his, and at this point I'd rather not see him play another down in the NFL. Just complete and utter cluelessness defined.That's a stupid tweet. If he sat out willingly, it would hold water, but he was willing to play all year.
I was willing to say "Forgive but don't forget" and let's play...But yesterday's Rant just showed how "Entitled" he feels.. Of course later he tried to back track and say he wasn't ranting about the Vikings, but the Union for allowing the Contracts to be what they are..
Sorry Peterson, your foot is already half way down your throat and no Shoe horn is getting it back out that easily.
Still hoping he let's it go and comes out with full vengeance for the season..
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Pots
Footballguy
I don't understand why people are getting so upset over him wanting guaranteed money. There are tons of athletes that tweet and express themselves as wanting a different contract. He's accepted that the Vikings aren't trading him, so if he's going to play for a team that he feels did a disservice to him last season, he wants to make sure he's not on a 1-year contract. You might not agree with how he disciplined his child, but that ship sailed long ago.
For me this is a culmination of his own stupidity. He signed the GD contract, with the non-guaranteed money at the tail end when he was going to be 31+ years old. He didn't have a problem when he was getting his signing bonus, and he put his name to the contract, so why the issue now? Well it's because he's disenchanted with the Vikings and on top of that I'm sure realizes that if for some reason things don't go well this year, the Vikings will cut him and he'll be a 31 year old free agent, coming off two years of poor (or no) production along with one massive PR catastrophe. On top of that, we're in a period where teams simply aren't paying RB's $10MM plus per year. So of course he wants his final years guaranteed. The problem is, IMO he's done nothing to warrant the Vikings going out of their way to guarantee any more money than they already have due to how he's responded to his suspension last year. This was a PR nightmare for the Vikings, Peterson has publicly made his desire known that he no longer desires to play for them, and he's shown no remorse for what he did or the lose-lose position he put his employer in. But despite all that, "GUARANTEE ME MY MONEY!!" F him. The Vikings are doing the best thing they could have considering the situation, assuming there was no viable trade partner that would've netted them a fair value deal to part with him.
Peterson has no options here if he wants a paycheck this year other than to show up and play for the Vikings, and by God I hope the Vikings stand their ground and don't reward his behavior by guaranteeing any more money than they've already committed to him.
snogger
Footballguy
Probably because back when he signed his contract he got his guaranteed money:
Seems like PLENTY of guaranteed money to me
IMO, a lot of this is due to his greedy agent, who was not Peterson's agent back when he signed that last contract and thus didn't get his big pay day..
GreenNGold
Footballguy
In his first home game he is going to be cheered wildly, probably given a standing ovation to welcome him back with open arms, not for support for anything he's done but to show they are still behind him and kind of as FU to the NFL and media for how they have handled this. On the road I'm sure he will get a lot more boos and heckling.The way this has gone (his apparent lack of self-awareness regarding this situation being his doing) has me thoroughly convinced that it'll be 95% boos from the crowd for his first home game. I've been a huge fan of his, and at this point I'd rather not see him play another down in the NFL. Just complete and utter cluelessness defined.That's a stupid tweet. If he sat out willingly, it would hold water, but he was willing to play all year.
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Huh? First of all, there would be no "handling" of anything if it weren't for Peterson's actions. I don't believe you'll find many fans who are angry with out the NFL and/or the media have dealt with this situation.In his first home game he is going to be cheered wildly, probably given a standing ovation to welcome him back with open arms, not for support for anything he's done but to show they are still behind him and kind of as FU to the NFL and media for how they have handled this. On the road I'm sure he will get a lot more boos and heckling.The way this has gone (his apparent lack of self-awareness regarding this situation being his doing) has me thoroughly convinced that it'll be 95% boos from the crowd for his first home game. I've been a huge fan of his, and at this point I'd rather not see him play another down in the NFL. Just complete and utter cluelessness defined.That's a stupid tweet. If he sat out willingly, it would hold water, but he was willing to play all year.
Finally, there will definitely be a spattering of rubes that cheer Peterson's introduction that first game. But he's digging himself a hole that I don't think he'll be able to climb out of prior to opening day as it relates to how fans are going to react to him. Based on Peterson's lack of remorse for beating his child, open desire to play elsewhere, and his continued stupidity, I don't think the initial fan reaction is going to be anything close to "cheered wildly." In fact, I feel confident it'll be quite the opposite.
This will certainly be interesting to watch unfold.
snogger
Footballguy
before yesterday'sIn his first home game he is going to be cheered wildly, probably given a standing ovation to welcome him back with open arms, not for support for anything he's done but to show they are still behind him and kind of as FU to the NFL and media for how they have handled this. On the road I'm sure he will get a lot more boos and heckling.The way this has gone (his apparent lack of self-awareness regarding this situation being his doing) has me thoroughly convinced that it'll be 95% boos from the crowd for his first home game. I've been a huge fan of his, and at this point I'd rather not see him play another down in the NFL. Just complete and utter cluelessness defined.That's a stupid tweet. If he sat out willingly, it would hold water, but he was willing to play all year.
I figured 75% or better cheers with just a few boos and rest nothing..Now..
.. 50/50 ??Next month will tell a lot when Mandatory Camps opens...
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Someone needs to tell him to just shut up. Keep your mouth shut, play well for the 1st half of the year, and then address guaranteed money quietly behind closed doors with the team. Much better chance of getting what you want that way, and avoid the public opinion backlash. He's really coming off as utterly clueless in all of this.
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snogger
Footballguy
that is a tough one.. I've also thought that would be best... but you'd have to put in some kind of protection for the player.. assume an incentive for 12 TD's.. player has 10 going into game 16, scores one in the 3rd quarter . what stops the coach from using a "change of pace" Back the rest of the game any time they get inside the 20?
Same goes for yardage, receptions, carries, etc...
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Pots
Footballguy
You don't make an incentive that difficult to get, or make it a scaling incentive. (TDs would probably be a bad incentive for a RB, yards from scrimage would be better. You shouldn't care who scores the TDs on your team.)that is a tough one.. I've also thought that would be best... but you'd have to put in some kind of protection for the player..assume an incentive for 12 TD's.. player has 10 going into game 16, scores one in the 3rd quarter . what stops the coach from using a "change of pace" Back the rest of the game any time they get inside the 20?
Same goes for yardage, receptions, carries, etc...
BoltBacker
Footballguy
... the fact the coach is trying to keep his job and earn his contract as well so he's doing ANYTHING to get closer to winning the SB.that is a tough one.. I've also thought that would be best... but you'd have to put in some kind of protection for the player.. assume an incentive for 12 TD's.. player has 10 going into game 16, scores one in the 3rd quarter . what stops the coach from using a "change of pace" Back the rest of the game any time they get inside the 20?
Same goes for yardage, receptions, carries, etc...
I think incentive based contracts should take into account production based on playing time and team success as well though.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
You honestly think the fans in September are going to remember or care about some tweet made in May that much. You and I both know a lot of people that actually shell out $ to attend those games will be cheering anything in purple. Tough guys on the sports radio call in programs aren't representative of a fanbase.snogger said:before yesterday'sGreenNGold said:In his first home game he is going to be cheered wildly, probably given a standing ovation to welcome him back with open arms, not for support for anything he's done but to show they are still behind him and kind of as FU to the NFL and media for how they have handled this. On the road I'm sure he will get a lot more boos and heckling.SayWhat? said:The way this has gone (his apparent lack of self-awareness regarding this situation being his doing) has me thoroughly convinced that it'll be 95% boos from the crowd for his first home game. I've been a huge fan of his, and at this point I'd rather not see him play another down in the NFL. Just complete and utter cluelessness defined.snogger said:Pots said:That's a stupid tweet. If he sat out willingly, it would hold water, but he was willing to play all year.snogger said:
Next month will tell a lot when Mandatory Camps opens...
BigJim®
Footballguy
The rant could definitely be forgotten by September. It won't be if it is one in a line of poor decisions. AP is making September seem a long time away.
scott46984
Footballguy
Not sure about how retirement would affect cap, but heard somewhere (I think Paul Charchian on KFAN) that if a player retires it puts their contract on hold. So if he's under contract for the Vikes for 3 more years, that contract goes on hold while retired. He could sit a year, and still be under contract for 3 years. He could sit for 2 years, and still be under contract for 3 years, etc... If this is correct, absolutely no benefit to AP to sit because contract clock stops.
Also - completely agree that since it was apparently AP's desire in the 6 year deal he signed to get all the guaranteed money upfront in the first 3 years as opposed to spreading it out over the entire deal, pretty lame to complain now that there's no guaranteed money left in his deal.
LOVE how Zimmer is handling this
snogger
Footballguy
Up here it was either the #1 or the #2 news story on all News channels the next day..You honestly think the fans in September are going to remember or care about some tweet made in May that much. You and I both know a lot of people that actually shell out $ to attend those games will be cheering anything in purple. Tough guys on the sports radio call in programs aren't representative of a fanbase.snogger said:before yesterday'sGreenNGold said:In his first home game he is going to be cheered wildly, probably given a standing ovation to welcome him back with open arms, not for support for anything he's done but to show they are still behind him and kind of as FU to the NFL and media for how they have handled this. On the road I'm sure he will get a lot more boos and heckling.SayWhat? said:The way this has gone (his apparent lack of self-awareness regarding this situation being his doing) has me thoroughly convinced that it'll be 95% boos from the crowd for his first home game. I've been a huge fan of his, and at this point I'd rather not see him play another down in the NFL. Just complete and utter cluelessness defined.snogger said:Pots said:That's a stupid tweet. If he sat out willingly, it would hold water, but he was willing to play all year.snogger said:
Next month will tell a lot when Mandatory Camps opens...
All you have to do is visit the News pages themselves, or their Facebook page, and read the comments to see how much people are in the "Hate" category towards him right now..
It used to be when one of these stories broke in the last year in regards to AP you'd see 60% dislike comments, with 40% defend.. Right now it is more 95% - 5%..
You are correct in that IF he shows up for Mandatory Camp and stops playing the victim between now and the beginning of the season it mostly will be forgotten.
Problem is, at least so far, he hasn't learned to just Shut the Front door..
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Old Smiley
Footballguy
Very interesting tidbit on the Audible chat this week from Bloom (whoever he is). Says this all jibes with a scenario where all this junk is agent driven. Says Dogra(?) has lost a lot of clients over the past few years and has no chunk of AP's current deal. Asks who's interest is being served.
It comes up just before the hour mark in the podcast.
Apparently, it is discussed on On the Couch as well.
It comes up just before the hour mark in the podcast.
Apparently, it is discussed on On the Couch as well.
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