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Lesean McCoy? How concerned are we? (4 Viewers)
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ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Working out so far, I'm happy I rode with him today
rockaction
Footballguy
I drafted him in one draft with the knowledge of all this. Without him, I'm thin. He plays.
He lost a pretty sloppy fumble. But that shouldn't have been enough to sideline him based on how ineffective Damian Williams was.
If I had to guess, this is just going to be a really ugly backfield. Probably not a predictable top-20 RB in the bunch.
bostonfred
Footballguy
Damien Williams resumed his role as the starter and got the same 12 to 15 touches he's gotten since he became starter last year.
The chiefs didn't have many carries as a team because indy defended them well and mahomes was hurt, and the colts held the ball for 37:15 with a ball control game plan.
Reid refuses to acknowledge who the better RB is on his team. And it may have cost him the game last night.
Sure...Shady fumbled the ball.....after running 20 yards and almost breaking it for a TD. Stupid that he didn't get another touch after that.
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Biabreakable
Footballguy
Week 5 snaps and utilization for KC RB
Damien Williams 35 snaps (56%) 9 rushing attempts 23 yards 4 targets 3 receptions 15 yards
LeSean McCoy 14 snaps (22%) 2 targets 2 receptions 23 yards 1 fumble lost
Darrell Williams 14 snaps (22%)
KC passed the ball 39 times and ran the ball 11 times not including the 3 Mahomes scrambles.
As Fred mentions the Colts controlled the TOP and Andy just forgot to run the ball.
Damien Williams 35 snaps (56%) 9 rushing attempts 23 yards 4 targets 3 receptions 15 yards
LeSean McCoy 14 snaps (22%) 2 targets 2 receptions 23 yards 1 fumble lost
Darrell Williams 14 snaps (22%)
KC passed the ball 39 times and ran the ball 11 times not including the 3 Mahomes scrambles.
As Fred mentions the Colts controlled the TOP and Andy just forgot to run the ball.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Some times.
I don't think it was working in this game anyways. They were trying to get a lead and didn't have the ball enough. Mahomes clearly hurt and not playing as well as he usually has.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
Seems like taking the ball out of your injured QBs hands and running the ball more makes sense. Reid seems unable to change direction with game plans. There were no excuses not to run the ball this week. The injured RB excuse was gone.
Glad to see Reid's poor decision making cost the Chiefs a win. He still won't learn though since he hasn't learned after all these years.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Should've given Darrel some carries to see if he could move the piles any better. OL wasn't doing Demian any favors, but dude wasn't pushing through the bodies either.
Unless McCoy re-aggravated his ankle, benching him for the fumble seemed excessive, especially with Demian looking pedestrian all night.
Unless McCoy re-aggravated his ankle, benching him for the fumble seemed excessive, especially with Demian looking pedestrian all night.
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Weebs210
Footballguy
It wasn't really sloppy, he had the ball high and tight. The defender made a great punch out play.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Maybe they should have run the ball more. They were only down by 3 points until the Colts kicked another field goal.
The Cots were draining the clock though and playing good defense. I can understand Reid putting the game on his best player Mahomes.
We will never know though if KC running the ball more would have led to a better outcome.
The Colts defense was playing pretty well and I think their defense is better against the run than it is against the pass.
LawFitz
Footballguy
I feel like we could've seen more of their patented sweeps, screens and shovel sweeps to manufacture some artificial "running" plays. The Chiefs didn't seem nearly as creative last night for some reason.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I agree they did not seem as dynamic on offense as they have been recently.
Not sure if that is on Andy or it is just that Mahomes is hobbled and not playing as well as usual. Particularly later in the game after he got hit a bunch of times. Mahomes did make some wicked good throws earlier in the game.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Except for the TD the McCoy screen was also one of the best plays of the night for KC (except for the very end). But if teams are defending on the deep ball damnit punch them in the nose up front.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
Seems like common sense. If teams are defending the pass and swarming your hobbled and prized QB, you run the ball. And, McCoy has done pretty well running the ball since coming to KC. I'm not budging. Reid was out coached and will be out coached in NE should the Chiefs meet the Pats in the playoffs.
Morton Muffley
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need2know
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Ketamine Dreams
Footballguy
I was at the game and it was sloppy - out away from his body in one arm while running through a bunch of traffic. Sloppy, sloppy, sloppy.
Weebs210
Footballguy
Ketamine Dreams
Footballguy
I didn’t see McCoy drinking while on the sideline. But then again, after that fumble I didn’t see him at all anymore.
dnurk
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I don’t think it was sloppy...it was just a fantastic hustle play by Odum. I don’t think McCoy was prepared for the contact from behind but i don’t think a reasonable observer could say he was being careless with the ball.
https://www.colts.com/video/highlight-george-odum-forces-lesean-mccoy-fumble
https://www.colts.com/video/highlight-george-odum-forces-lesean-mccoy-fumble
kittenmittens
Footballguy
I'm sorry, I have a hard time thinking a vet like Shady just forgot how to pass block better than a journeyman.
Weebs210
Footballguy
Ketamine Dreams
Footballguy
Eh idk, maybe put it close to your body, and another arm around it as you become surrounded by people trying to tackle you?
wormburner
Footballguy
Andy just being Andy. Someone posted here or a similar thread that perhaps the loss would be the wakeup call for Andy to put and try to keep his most effective RBs on the field. So far this year, that has been Shady and Darrel.
I can read an article. That doesn't change my opinion. I don't recall McCoy ever being accused of poor pass protection.
Ketamine Dreams
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Craig_MiamiFL
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I'm not a big Kerryon fan and think McCoy is far and away their best runner but I wouldn't do that. Andy seems like to like the Damien's receiving ability and tremendous 1.8 YPC he brings to the table even after missing multiple games. Despite Diggs complaints, MN would be dumb to go away from Cook/Mattison.theToes said:
Jackson has played one full game this year (10 targets).......and better game than anything Diggs has put together over 5. Diggs has seen more than 4 targets in only 2 of 5 games.
And I was big on both Diggs and McCoy coming into the year. Hopeful their situations turn around but Kerryon has a solid every week role right now.
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wormburner
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Payne said:
Many of us were paying enough attention to have an opinion over whether his fumble was sloppy or not. So far, no comments on if his missed assignment(s) were sloppy or not. I don't recall seeing any, and was surprised to hear from Andy that reason to bench him. I just watch as a fan. Any of you analytics-types or game film reviewers catch something I missed?Ketamine Dreams said:
shadrap
Footballguy
I read the whole thing as Reid is trying to light a little fire under McCoy. Fumble was a great play by the defense IMO. I've read in here though that McCoy was holding it sloppy. I don't agree but it is what it is.
wormburner
Footballguy
Right on. Everybody saw the fumble and had their take on it. Other than Andy's comment, nobody seems to have seen the missed pass protection assignments. I'll be starting McCoy in the flex again this weekend, hopefully you're right about a fire being lit!
VikingFrog
Footballguy
McCoy has been a tough cookie to own.
I have 3 decent running backs in front of him so he’s been hard to start based on both gut and rankings, although at times he’s put up more points a few weeks than some of my backs.
But, he’s also been impossible to trade. Even for WR2.
This last game doesn’t help that. But I think everyone is having a tough time seeing starting RB value out of him.
I have 3 decent running backs in front of him so he’s been hard to start based on both gut and rankings, although at times he’s put up more points a few weeks than some of my backs.
But, he’s also been impossible to trade. Even for WR2.
This last game doesn’t help that. But I think everyone is having a tough time seeing starting RB value out of him.
wormburner
Footballguy
I have both McCoy and Darrel W. There was a sell-high window (perhaps packaged together?) after Week 4 that I think I could have taken advantage of. I don't know now if I'm waiting for that window to open again and sell, or wait for Andy to come to his senses and ride this train till the wheels fall off.
