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WR Amari Cooper, CLE (3 Viewers)
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az_prof
Footballguy
There are 18 players in the last 25 years who have performed as well or better in their first five years.
at least 5000 years receiving
350 receptions
30 receiving TDs
Torry Holt
Randy Moss
Julio JOnes
AJ Green
Mike Evans
Larry Fitzgerald
Calvin JOhnson
DeAndre Hopkins
TY Hilton
Chad Johnson
Marvin Harrison
Michael Thomas
Odell Beckham
Dez Bryant
Demarius Thomas
Brandon Cooks
Marques Colston
Amari Cooper
Almost every player has had many years of top fantasy production. I think people who are selling him short are missing the boat.
http://pfref.com/tiny/PxZia
at least 5000 years receiving
350 receptions
30 receiving TDs
Torry Holt
Randy Moss
Julio JOnes
AJ Green
Mike Evans
Larry Fitzgerald
Calvin JOhnson
DeAndre Hopkins
TY Hilton
Chad Johnson
Marvin Harrison
Michael Thomas
Odell Beckham
Dez Bryant
Demarius Thomas
Brandon Cooks
Marques Colston
Amari Cooper
Almost every player has had many years of top fantasy production. I think people who are selling him short are missing the boat.
http://pfref.com/tiny/PxZia
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jm192
Footballguy
I was super high on Amari coming out of college. I love his talent. Cowboys offense is good. But Marvin Harrison, Michael Thomas, he is not.
Dak threw it a career high 596 times last year. Cooper got 119 targets out of that. Right at a 20% target share. His career high in targets is 132 during the 2016 season with Oakland. The Dallas defense still isn't great, so Dak may throw it a lot again this year. Or maybe the defense takes a step forward, and Dak throws it closer to 550 times. Moreso they added a 1st round receiver who probably takes at least a part of the pie.
I doubt that Cooper gives you a career high in targets after the addition of Lamb. He also had a career high in ypc last season. Does he build on that? Or is he closer to a 13-14 guy that he's always been. He's broken 80 catches once. I don't see that happening a 2nd time after they added Lamb.
I think you're looking at another 75 catch, 1100 yard, 8 TD season. And that's hardly terrible. I don't know that it's what I'm using my 3rd round pick on.
az_prof
Footballguy
I think your projection, which comes to 230 fantasy points, is pretty reasonable. I do see it more as a floor than a ceiling. It is true that Lamb may cut into his targets but they are also losing a ton of targets with the departure of Witten (84 targets) and Cobb(83). I don't see Jarwin getting as many targets as Witten. And if Lamb is as good as people think, it may relieve some of the double teams on Amari and help him be more efficient. I've also heard that Dallas may use Amari more in the slot in 2020 and that he has had the most success there, but that's yet to be seen. Final factor that could help 2020 Amari is that 2019 he played hurt most of the season--first it was plantar fasciatis and then a quad strain and then a knee. He played through the injuries but it seems clear that his play was affected.
So I see 75/1100/8 as his floor, which isn't bad by any means (WR17) but I would see him doing more like 85/1250/8 (WR7).
jm192
Footballguy
I don't think your numbers are crazy by any means. It's not a reach by any means.
Last year, Dak had a career high in attempts and Cooper only had 119 targets and 79 catches. Between Lamb and the possibility Dak throws it a bit less--I have a hard time seeing Cooper getting to a career high in catches or yards. But you're talking 6 more catches than last year and another 4 yards a game. So it's definitely doable.
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
FTR - Hes not hurt. They just noticed he had been really exerting himself by the gps/monitoring devices they have on all the players now and want to mitigate his risk.
-jb-
Footballguy
Exactly why he never winds up on my team. Every time he’s in the group I’m looking at, I go elsewhere. His game to game performances are so erratic.
I-ROK
Footballguy
This is actually very true. I used to think that was key but it’s overrated and shown to actually be worse. That being said, I think there are extremes where it does matter. If a wide receiver scores 40 points 3 weeks and 4 points the rest, that is a problem.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Saw him traded for Jeudy tonight (PPR). Competitor and Rebuild deal.
Phantom Knight
Footballguy
Hmmm... consistency, in this case, clearly seems to be overrated. I wouldn't put Cooper on my no draft list, but didn't end up on any of my teams because I have him slotted lower than the majority of folks for this reason (yes, I'm a former [charred] owner).
Captain Fantastic
Footballguy
Auction last night (in the Dallas area, so Cowboys players are well observed), CeeDee Lamb went for $2 more than Amari Cooper (and Gallup for about half of Cooper's price).
Granted, plenty of variables in an auction based on when players are nominated (CeeDee was earlier than Cooper so owners generally had more money to play with), but this is the direction the needle is pointing before the first snap. Right or wrong...
Granted, plenty of variables in an auction based on when players are nominated (CeeDee was earlier than Cooper so owners generally had more money to play with), but this is the direction the needle is pointing before the first snap. Right or wrong...
DocHolliday
Footballguy
I like Gallup at that price. Cooper should still receive most of the WR targets but that is a lot of mouths to feed.Captain Fantastic said:
turkishkamel
Footballguy
Cooper being dinged and matching up against Ramsey really makes me wanna sit him for Jarvis Landry. Gotta pick two between Coop, Landry, Golladay (now also hurt).
Glad to be stressing over these things again, lol
Glad to be stressing over these things again, lol
The Frankman
Footballguy
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The Frankman
Footballguy
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The Frankman
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What's interesting is that Lamb's usage also went down (55%).
Why were they benched for entire drives yesterday?
turkishkamel
Footballguy
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
cloppbeast
Footballguy
Trying to trade him today. Nobody wants him. Dam shame.
I-ROK
Footballguy
sneakerfreak
Footballguy
It was a strange game, he barely saw the field in the first half. Seemed like both Cedrick Wilson and Noah Brown played ahead of Amari and Lamb most of the first half, it was maddening. I think it was a gameplan thing, trying to run the ball as much as they could and I guess Wilson and Brown are better blockers but I honestly don't know.
cloppbeast
Footballguy
I'm in a win now and I'm not too keen on what's-his-face at quarterback. Dak was on record pace to support Amari's decent production as is. I figured somebody not in contention this year would find him more valuable than I do.
