This.League MVP: JJ Watt. (Runner up: Philip Rivers.)
DPOY: JJ Watt.
I agree with the OP on the rookies.
Mack > Fuller the Mack kid is a monster.Rivers, Watt, Benjamin, Mack.
Runners up: Luck, Watt, Bitonio, Fuller.
Watt gets both slots, since I think odd-numbered-game Watt and even-numbered-game Watt both have a strong case for DPOY.
Agreed, Mack has no business on the list IMO. Fuller is the hands down favorite right now. Leads the league in INTs and also has 2 FF. He's just been a playmaker. Mosely has been better than Mack and should be running in the 2 position right now. On offense it has to be Benjamin right now. I think he could easily be surpassed by one of the QBs at some point, though. Likely Bridgewater if he heals fast enough. Hurns, is also in the conversation.Are we talking about Khalil Mack? He's been pretty average at best IMO. Did you see him not take on blockers vs Miami and just open up a hole himself? Fuller has produced much more
I don't get this Luck love at all. He's got amazing stats, but how has he compiled them? He had two decent games against the only two good teams he's played (two INTs vs. Denver, only 172 yards against Philly, under 7 YPA against both), and his team lost both. And then he absolutely firebombed Tennessee and Jacksonville. If he played 12 games against Jacksonville and Tennessee, I'd say let's hand him the MVP trophy now. As it stands, I'd rather hold off until he does something significant against someone of note. Especially given how insanely Philip Rivers has been playing.jurb26 said:Agreed, Mack has no business on the list IMO. Fuller is the hands down favorite right now. Leads the league in INTs and also has 2 FF. He's just been a playmaker. Mosely has been better than Mack and should be running in the 2 position right now.On offense it has to be Benjamin right now. I think he could easily be surpassed by one of the QBs at some point, though. Likely Bridgewater if he heals fast enough. Hurns, is also in the conversation.jbz said:Are we talking about Khalil Mack? He's been pretty average at best IMO. Did you see him not take on blockers vs Miami and just open up a hole himself? Fuller has produced much more
MVP has to be Luck IMO. Hes on pace for 5220/52 passing.
DPOY has to be Watt.
jurb26 said:MVP has to be Luck IMO. Hes on pace for 5220/52 passing.
Huh? He's had at least 3 TDs in every game so far, 4 in 3 of his games. He's had 370 yds or more in 3 of 4 games.I don't get this Luck love at all. He's got amazing stats, but how has he compiled them? He had two decent games against the only two good teams he's played (two INTs vs. Denver, only 172 yards against Philly, under 7 YPA against both), and his team lost both. And then he absolutely firebombed Tennessee and Jacksonville. If he played 12 games against Jacksonville and Tennessee, I'd say let's hand him the MVP trophy now. As it stands, I'd rather hold off until he does something significant against someone of note. Especially given how insanely Philip Rivers has been playing.jurb26 said:Agreed, Mack has no business on the list IMO. Fuller is the hands down favorite right now. Leads the league in INTs and also has 2 FF. He's just been a playmaker. Mosely has been better than Mack and should be running in the 2 position right now.On offense it has to be Benjamin right now. I think he could easily be surpassed by one of the QBs at some point, though. Likely Bridgewater if he heals fast enough. Hurns, is also in the conversation.jbz said:Are we talking about Khalil Mack? He's been pretty average at best IMO. Did you see him not take on blockers vs Miami and just open up a hole himself? Fuller has produced much more
MVP has to be Luck IMO. Hes on pace for 5220/52 passing.
DPOY has to be Watt.
Rivers is in the cover station as well. I'd give it to Luck though.jurb26 said:MVP has to be Luck IMO. Hes on pace for 5220/52 passing.
He's not even the top QB right now when it comes to MVP right now; that would be Rivers.
Having said that, gimme J.J. Watt for MVP.
Luck is also on a 2-2 team that wouldn't be in the playoffs right now. Players on non-playoff teams almost never win the MVP.Huh? He's had at least 3 TDs in every game so far, 4 in 3 of his games. He's had 370 yds or more in 3 of 4 games.
Playoffs matter but 2-2 isn't much different than 3-1.Luck is also on a 2-2 team that wouldn't be in the playoffs right now. Players on non-playoff teams almost never win the MVP.Huh? He's had at least 3 TDs in every game so far, 4 in 3 of his games. He's had 370 yds or more in 3 of 4 games.
Right, but like Adam pointed out, Luck's two monster games came against two of the patsies of the league. Rivers doing what he did against Seattle is far more impressive than anything Luck has done this year.Playoffs matter but 2-2 isn't much different than 3-1.Luck is also on a 2-2 team that wouldn't be in the playoffs right now. Players on non-playoff teams almost never win the MVP.Huh? He's had at least 3 TDs in every game so far, 4 in 3 of his games. He's had 370 yds or more in 3 of 4 games.
As I pointed out, Luck has had 3 monster games not 2. Even him "down" game was a 3 TD performance.Right, but like Adam pointed out, Luck's two monster games came against two of the patsies of the league. Rivers doing what he did against Seattle is far more impressive than anything Luck has done this year.Playoffs matter but 2-2 isn't much different than 3-1.Luck is also on a 2-2 team that wouldn't be in the playoffs right now. Players on non-playoff teams almost never win the MVP.Huh? He's had at least 3 TDs in every game so far, 4 in 3 of his games. He's had 370 yds or more in 3 of 4 games.
I was just typing about him when you posted this. Great posting!No DeMarco Murray love at all?
I think I go with Luck because without him the Colts are a 2-14 roster. San Diego has better overall talent. But Rivers is definitely playing out of his mind. His efficiency is like Foles last year... and that's not sustainable. Luck isn't even being super efficient and is winning games and amassing monster stats. It's like Rodgers in 2011 when the Packers had no running game ... if Luck continues to be put in that type of position to carry the team, he's going to have 5k/40 and easily win league MVP.As I pointed out, Luck has had 3 monster games not 2. Even him "down" game was a 3 TD performance.Right, but like Adam pointed out, Luck's two monster games came against two of the patsies of the league. Rivers doing what he did against Seattle is far more impressive than anything Luck has done this year.Playoffs matter but 2-2 isn't much different than 3-1.Luck is also on a 2-2 team that wouldn't be in the playoffs right now. Players on non-playoff teams almost never win the MVP.Huh? He's had at least 3 TDs in every game so far, 4 in 3 of his games. He's had 370 yds or more in 3 of 4 games.
Do you think anything Luck has done is impressive as what Rivers did against Seattle?As I pointed out, Luck has had 3 monster games not 2. Even him "down" game was a 3 TD performance.Right, but like Adam pointed out, Luck's two monster games came against two of the patsies of the league. Rivers doing what he did against Seattle is far more impressive than anything Luck has done this year.Playoffs matter but 2-2 isn't much different than 3-1.Luck is also on a 2-2 team that wouldn't be in the playoffs right now. Players on non-playoff teams almost never win the MVP.Huh? He's had at least 3 TDs in every game so far, 4 in 3 of his games. He's had 370 yds or more in 3 of 4 games.
There's no RB I would ever vote MVP. Both CJ and AP's monster 2,000 yard seasons came on teams that either didn't make the playoffs or got trounced in the first round. This isn't 1970... RBs are not the "Most Valuable Player" on the team. RBs aren't even in the top 5 of most important positions on the team. QB/Pass rusher/pass protector/shutdown corner are the elite positions and those deserve to get the MVP awards.I was just typing about him when you posted this. Great posting!No DeMarco Murray love at all?
Thing is, considering that the Cowboy QB is Tony Romo, I think that is an even stronger statement for DeMarco as MVP........There's no RB I would ever vote MVP. Both CJ and AP's monster 2,000 yard seasons came on teams that either didn't make the playoffs or got trounced in the first round. This isn't 1970... RBs are not the "Most Valuable Player" on the team. RBs aren't even in the top 5 of most important positions on the team. QB/Pass rusher/pass protector/shutdown corner are the elite positions and those deserve to get the MVP awards.I was just typing about him when you posted this. Great posting!No DeMarco Murray love at all?
So you are basing this on 1 game for each guy? Indy was never in that game without Luck. Rivers game vs. Sea was the most impressive this season IMO. The MVP is more than 1 game, though.Do you think anything Luck has done is impressive as what Rivers did against Seattle?As I pointed out, Luck has had 3 monster games not 2. Even him "down" game was a 3 TD performance.Right, but like Adam pointed out, Luck's two monster games came against two of the patsies of the league. Rivers doing what he did against Seattle is far more impressive than anything Luck has done this year.Playoffs matter but 2-2 isn't much different than 3-1.Luck is also on a 2-2 team that wouldn't be in the playoffs right now. Players on non-playoff teams almost never win the MVP.Huh? He's had at least 3 TDs in every game so far, 4 in 3 of his games. He's had 370 yds or more in 3 of 4 games.
Are we ignoring the fact that the Colts' 2nd loss of the season happened when Luck threw a pick in the red zone when his team had a 7-point lead with five minutes, in a game they eventually lost by 3?
Murray deserves mention no doubt.I was just typing about him when you posted this. Great posting!No DeMarco Murray love at all?
Right, and Rivers has been great all season.So you are basing this on 1 game for each guy? Indy was never in that game without Luck.Rivers game vs. Sea was the most impressive this season IMO. The MVP is more than 1 game, though.Do you think anything Luck has done is impressive as what Rivers did against Seattle?As I pointed out, Luck has had 3 monster games not 2. Even him "down" game was a 3 TD performance.Right, but like Adam pointed out, Luck's two monster games came against two of the patsies of the league. Rivers doing what he did against Seattle is far more impressive than anything Luck has done this year.Playoffs matter but 2-2 isn't much different than 3-1.Luck is also on a 2-2 team that wouldn't be in the playoffs right now. Players on non-playoff teams almost never win the MVP.Huh? He's had at least 3 TDs in every game so far, 4 in 3 of his games. He's had 370 yds or more in 3 of 4 games.
Are we ignoring the fact that the Colts' 2nd loss of the season happened when Luck threw a pick in the red zone when his team had a 7-point lead with five minutes, in a game they eventually lost by 3?
If we're basing this off 4 games (sometimes 3) that's 1/4 of the season.So you are basing this on 1 game for each guy? Indy was never in that game without Luck.Rivers game vs. Sea was the most impressive this season IMO. The MVP is more than 1 game, though.Do you think anything Luck has done is impressive as what Rivers did against Seattle?As I pointed out, Luck has had 3 monster games not 2. Even him "down" game was a 3 TD performance.Right, but like Adam pointed out, Luck's two monster games came against two of the patsies of the league. Rivers doing what he did against Seattle is far more impressive than anything Luck has done this year.Playoffs matter but 2-2 isn't much different than 3-1.Luck is also on a 2-2 team that wouldn't be in the playoffs right now. Players on non-playoff teams almost never win the MVP.Huh? He's had at least 3 TDs in every game so far, 4 in 3 of his games. He's had 370 yds or more in 3 of 4 games.
Are we ignoring the fact that the Colts' 2nd loss of the season happened when Luck threw a pick in the red zone when his team had a 7-point lead with five minutes, in a game they eventually lost by 3?
While PFF likes Fuller and Mosley well enough, neither of them are really close to Mack. He's been highly disruptive and great vs the run.jurb26 said:Agreed, Mack has no business on the list IMO. Fuller is the hands down favorite right now. Leads the league in INTs and also has 2 FF. He's just been a playmaker. Mosely has been better than Mack and should be running in the 2 position right now.jbz said:Are we talking about Khalil Mack? He's been pretty average at best IMO. Did you see him not take on blockers vs Miami and just open up a hole himself? Fuller has produced much more
Great vs. The run as in avoiding contact and being washed out of plays?While PFF likes Fuller and Mosley well enough, neither of them are really close to Mack. He's been highly disruptive and great vs the run.jurb26 said:Agreed, Mack has no business on the list IMO. Fuller is the hands down favorite right now. Leads the league in INTs and also has 2 FF. He's just been a playmaker. Mosely has been better than Mack and should be running in the 2 position right now.jbz said:Are we talking about Khalil Mack? He's been pretty average at best IMO. Did you see him not take on blockers vs Miami and just open up a hole himself? Fuller has produced much more
Take it up with PFF and anyone who watched more than a handful of plays.Great vs. The run as in avoiding contact and being washed out of plays?While PFF likes Fuller and Mosley well enough, neither of them are really close to Mack. He's been highly disruptive and great vs the run.jurb26 said:Agreed, Mack has no business on the list IMO. Fuller is the hands down favorite right now. Leads the league in INTs and also has 2 FF. He's just been a playmaker. Mosely has been better than Mack and should be running in the 2 position right now.jbz said:Are we talking about Khalil Mack? He's been pretty average at best IMO. Did you see him not take on blockers vs Miami and just open up a hole himself? Fuller has produced much more
He had 2 turnovers against Denver, and fewer than 7 yards per attempt. It was a solid game, especially since Denver looks much improved on defense this year, but not a great one. And his game against Philadelphia was no-two-ways-about-it a bad game. 20/34 passing for just 174 yards? That's 5 yards per attempt. Against a BAD defense.Huh? He's had at least 3 TDs in every game so far, 4 in 3 of his games. He's had 370 yds or more in 3 of 4 games.
Watt had the first score of the Oakland game with an offensive TD catch though. Not sure why no defensive stats, they might have pulled him early since it was a total blowout.the two games I've watched JJ Watt in he's been utterly dominant (Washington, Buffalo). But I missed his games vs Oak and NYG. He didn't stat at all vs Oak which I found amazing and the Texans got ran over vs the Giants. I think he can be in the DPOY, but MVP too? For a defensive player to get it he'd need to be having an all world type year and have the team success to match. I'm not sure Watt is having that.
Strange you omitted TDs in both games.He had 2 turnovers against Denver, and fewer than 7 yards per attempt. It was a solid game, especially since Denver looks much improved on defense this year, but not a great one. And his game against Philadelphia was no-two-ways-about-it a bad game. 20/34 passing for just 174 yards? That's 5 yards per attempt. Against a BAD defense.Huh? He's had at least 3 TDs in every game so far, 4 in 3 of his games. He's had 370 yds or more in 3 of 4 games.
I haven't seen all the week 4 stats updated yet, but he handily trails several other quarterbacks in a whole host of statistics, from ANYA to DVOA to DYAR to QBR to PFF Grade (though he does lead in EPA and EPA/P). And again, his raw statistics aren't accounting for the quality of competition he's beating up on.
I would put him solidly behind both Philip Rivers and Aaron Rodgers in my own personal MVP race, and would put him on a comparable level to Peyton Manning and Matt Ryan. Those five have been head and shoulders above the rest of the league, though.
Luck is first in DYAR and EPA, and has had positive DYAR & EPA each week. He's also ahead of Rodgers in DVOA and ANY/A, though behind him in QBR, WPA, and PFF grade (most of those comparisons are pretty close). Jacksonville's defense does look pretty bad, but I think it's too soon to write off his other opponents (e.g., Philly has basically just had one bad game, and Tennessee's D was ranked 14th in DVOA before the Indy game & 4th against the pass).He had 2 turnovers against Denver, and fewer than 7 yards per attempt. It was a solid game, especially since Denver looks much improved on defense this year, but not a great one. And his game against Philadelphia was no-two-ways-about-it a bad game. 20/34 passing for just 174 yards? That's 5 yards per attempt. Against a BAD defense.Huh? He's had at least 3 TDs in every game so far, 4 in 3 of his games. He's had 370 yds or more in 3 of 4 games.
I haven't seen all the week 4 stats updated yet, but he handily trails several other quarterbacks in a whole host of statistics, from ANYA to DVOA to DYAR to QBR to PFF Grade (though he does lead in EPA and EPA/P). And again, his raw statistics aren't accounting for the quality of competition he's beating up on.
I would put him solidly behind both Philip Rivers and Aaron Rodgers in my own personal MVP race, and would put him on a comparable level to Peyton Manning and Matt Ryan. Those five have been head and shoulders above the rest of the league, though.
Don't be surprised is Sammy Watkins steals it with the switch to Orton at QB. The guy has been WIDE OPEN (no one in 10 yards) over and over and Manuel would never see him. Orton is no world beater, but Watkins doesn't need Andrew Luck to get him 100 catches - Orton will do. It's ridiculous how much EJ hurt his production.jurb26 said:On offense it has to be Benjamin right now. I think he could easily be surpassed by one of the QBs at some point, though. Likely Bridgewater if he heals fast enough. Hurns, is also in the conversation.
I know on pace to Break Dickersons record with 2135 rushing and 2400 from scrimmage and 20 tds. Not to mention about 50 catches I can see him breaking Records guy looks like he got some steroids from AP.No DeMarco Murray love at all?