Casting Couch
Footballguy
I wonder if there is a more overrated QB in the NFL today.
edit : just got done wondering. answer is no.
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edit : just got done wondering. answer is no.
wgoldsph
Footballguy
wgoldsph
Footballguy
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Who is overrating him nowadays? I rarely see him listed in the top tier of QB’s anymore. He’s usually in the second tier now, which seems about right. He’s not on the current level of Mahomes or R Wilson, but I’m fine with putting him in the same tier as Brees, L Jackson, D Watson, Wentz and M Ryan.Casting Couch said:
Apple Juice
Footballguy
I only saw Rogers play 4-5 games this year. He seemed way more dooshy than usual, which is pretty dooshy.Yep. Too cool to jump in on the fumbled snap. Just stood there like a doosh.
Same look after the game as the camera was on him with nobody around that wanted to shake his hand.Maybe 10 guys came up to him after the camera moved but I didn’t see it.
Throwing little tantrums, rolling his eyes whenever a pass wasn't complete, looking pissy on the sideline.
Great QB in his prime but not top tier. I won't miss him when he's gone.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
I'm a big Rodgers fan but he's not on par with any of those guys anymore imo, or really even close. He has horrible mechanics which was fine when he had the best arm talent in the world, but now that is fading and his mechanics of always throwing while falling away are really killing him.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
I actually noticed a few of those throws last Sunday, where a throw was way off line because his mechanics were poor. I guess he is so used to his arm bailing him out that he still thinks he can do that, but he cannot. I think much of his "struggles" in 2019 had to do with playing in a new offense (after having played in the same one his entire pro career prior), but it will be interesting to see how he does in his second year in the system. Despite his declaration that he had fun playing again this past season, he looked fairly miserable for most of it.
Faust
MVP
DropKick
Footballguy
Thinking this may not be true. Rodgers simply doesn't want to jeopardize his insurance discount these days.
Faust
MVP
A stunning move by the Packers. You have Aaron Rodgers and a window that is still open to pursue a Super Bowl with him. Any other draft pick other than a quarterback moves you closer to that goal of winning a Super Bowl and adding a wide receiver or an offensive lineman sends a message to your star QB that you are all-in with him. Instead you take a QB to develop behind him and you burn additional draft capital to trade up to make that move.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
There has to be more to this (maybe relationship issues). You don’t normally draft a QB in the first round and have him sit more than one year. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
Mr. Irrelevant
IBL Representative
I mean, it would cost the Packers $51 million to cut or trade Rodgers this offseason - read that again: FIFTY-ONE MILLION DOLLARS - so either the author didn't bother to do the same 10 seconds of research on this I just did, or knew it and decided to write this stupid, click-baity headline anyway.Also, Fansided and all of their affiliate sites should be banished to the very lowest depths of Hell for their 2012-ish reliance on pop-ups and autoplay videos.
Deamon
Footballguy
Definitely more to this. Rodgers is also a guy that is known for holding grudges (His brother, Jennings, Etc.). Not judging him for that, just saying that often when things go sour with him they are irreversible. If he's pissed off at this, it isn't just going to go away, i don't see him being a Packer for more than this season.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Well...trade terms can change what is owed though...teams taking on parts of the contract to change that.
Also, Fansided and all of their affiliate sites should be banished to the very lowest depths of Hell for their 2012-ish reliance on pop-ups and autoplay videos.
massraider
Footballguy
Rodgers knows he isn't going anywhere for two years, contract says so.
What's he gonna do, mail it in for 2 years? No. He's going to try and make it impossible for the Pack to cut him, go to CHI or DET in 2 years, and kill them.
I mean, I get the Pack fans want to get someone to help now, but late 1st rounder gonna move the needle on a playoff hunt? I dunno.
LOTS of WR left.
What's he gonna do, mail it in for 2 years? No. He's going to try and make it impossible for the Pack to cut him, go to CHI or DET in 2 years, and kill them.
I mean, I get the Pack fans want to get someone to help now, but late 1st rounder gonna move the needle on a playoff hunt? I dunno.
LOTS of WR left.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I would have drafted Denzel Mims, try to help Rodgers in his final years and get one more Super Bowl.
Mark Football
Footballguy
Rodgers was always bitter at how Favre treated him. Do you think he's going to feel the same way about Love now? Do you think he's going to want to help Love get better?
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Right, it is a weird situation. The best case scenario for Green Bay is Love doesn't play a single meaningful snap for 3-4 years. Then, even if you do think he's a franchise QB, you have lost his rookie deal and have to pay him big bucks despite being mostly unproven.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Mr. Irrelevant
IBL Representative
Someone smarter than me actually did the math to explain why it's enormously unlikely. The Pack just restructured his contract four months ago as insurance against working without a CBA, and the side effects of that would make it more expensive in '20 and '21 for them to get rid of him than to keep him.
I'm no cap expert, but my understanding is even if a team were willing to pay GB A-Rod's entire remaining salary - and I'm sure you'd find a taker - it would be purely a financial benefit; the Pack would still have to eat the $50M in dead cap. That ... isn't gonna happen.
Deamon
Footballguy
This situation is NOTHING like the Favre situation.
1. QB's didn't play as long back then
2. Favre had talked about retiring
3. GB wasn't coming off a near Super Bowl season
4. Gone are the days where your 1st round QB can hold a clipboard for 40 months before starting a game.
5. AR was a top talent that slipped, his value there was amazing. Love's "value" at that spot was not seen as amazing by anyone.
People comparing these two situations are out to lunch. These situations are incredibly different.
as for the "Rodgers has 2-3 years left on the clock". If it's 2, you've just wasted his last two years by not giving him weapons and a chance to win the SB. If it's 3, then you'll have to trade him before then, Love isn't going to be AR's backup for the next 3 seasons and I think even you know that.
Todem
Footballguy
You will know if he is really worth big bucks.....if you know he is not another team can be a sucker and give him a big bucks contact.
Packers know exactly what they are doing. I can only wish the Dolphins had the Packers competence that last 20 years.
strykerpks
Footballguy
Let's let the kid take an NFL snap. I don't like the pick but I didn't like the Rodgers pick either. I'll reserve judgement for the time being.
Faust
MVP
sho nuff
Footballguy
Oh true...I have no problem with him at all. Not a fan of the pick at the time this year...but will pull for the kid.
He has 2 years to figure things out barring injury.
mozzy84
Footballguy
Feels like a completely different situation than Favre imo. Rogers was supposed to be a top ten pick and had tremendous value where he was picked with how far he fell. And favre talked about retirement multiple times by the time he was Rogers age. As others have said it will be interesting to hear how Rodgers treats the kid the few years.
John Blutarsky
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
They weren’t a 13 win quality team. They had a very low point differential which indicates they got some good fortune including a win when Mahomes was out. They’re fine but they’re definitely not in the SB tier.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I guess we will just disagree on this. If a team led by one of the greatest QBs of all time goes 13-3 and to the conference title game, they were SB contenders to me. Unreal what they could have done. Imagine how much better their roster would look with Ezra Cleveland, Denzel Mims, Zach Baun and Antonio Gibson. By not doing that, it's now difficult to see their path to a title.
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Challenge Everything
Footballguy
I posted the following in the other thread and, surprisingly, no one wanted to address it or chose not to. The Packers last year were not that good:
Haven't seen it mentioned but last year the Packers were:
- 15th in points at 23.5 per game
- 18th in yards at 345.5 per game
- 17th in pass yards at 233.2 per game
- 15th in run yards at 112.2 per game (big drop off in playoffs)
For those of you thinking defense is/was the problem, going 13-3 on those offensive numbers is lucky. The Packers overachieved greatly last year. They barely beat Seattle in the playoffs (5 points) and had six wins by a touchdown or less. They were exposed badly in the regular season by San Francisco and again in the playoffs. The Packers addressed WR in free agency and may still get one in the draft, but WR is better than it was. A ground and pound runner is much different than Jones and Williams.
If I'm the Packers on this Saturday in the draft... I look for offensive line help first and second. Then, maybe CB/Safety position.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I get that, this wasn't the 85 Bears. Rodgers averages 10.5 wins per 16 games. Like Russell Wilson, he's able to make the team win despite whatever else is going on around him. He has 10 playoff wins, MVP, SB ring. No matter what the points per game say, a 13-3 team with Aaron Rodgers at quarterback is a SB contender. They could have stayed in that window this year but I don't think this draft does it.
FreeBaGeL
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