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So if I were to come up with an explanation off the top of my head, grand jury may have felt that the this guy dropping dead was not a foreseeable risk that the officer would have been aware of and thus disregarded.
Actually yes. A good deal of the rioting there was caused by the way the Ferguson police initially treated the first group of peaceful protestors during the first week following the shooting.
I'm sorry, but you are dead wrong. When you want to be heard you do not announce your protest in a most genteel manner so as not to disrupt Joe Schmoes life. Instead you rattle the can and blare the horn and make everyone notice you and your protest.
I think that's in the first Amendment. "Abridging the freedom of speech, or the freedom of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, excepting that if one does assemble peaceably and assert such freedom of speech thrice, one shall be sent to Indochina."
When a guy you're detaining for loose cigarettes tells you he can't breathe and then stops moving, immediately call EMS. How ####### hard is that?
YEA!!! TAKE THAT MESSAGE TO THE FAMILIES WITH LITTLE CHILDREN WITH THEM OUT FOR A CHRISTMAS TREE LIGHTING!!
You're smarter than this... Trying to rush the tree and interrupt a tree lighting isn't assembling peacefully. It's moronic.
No, the protesters are idiots. They are blocking ambulances. They are disrupting an affair that has 0 to do with what they are protesting.
One question that may have been answered had this case gone to court was why exactly did the NYPD disallow the use of the choke hold? The fact that the officer went against policy is one reason many assumed an indictment was imminent.
It's residual Bloomberg hiking the cig taxes. You want to talk about a racist/anti-poor policy. It's a pack of smokes going for 15 bucks.
The part that gets me is the "gross deviation from the standard of conduct". If the grand jury knew the chokehold was illegal and there a deviaton from standard conduct, how could they not classify his action as "reckless" and therefore culpable of manslaughter?
Agreed. But it's because of all the good police out there trying hard to do a near impossible job that we need to punish the bad ones when we can.
I'm guessing this post won't generate much feedback as it makes too much sense and is far too reasonable.
Take a walk across Union Square on 14th.
People are ####### fed up with over policing and excessive use of force. Police need to use judgment in maintaining the peace. Sure, Eric Garner could have been more compliant here, but once he is wrestled to the ground and put in a choke hold he seems to stop resisting and is practically begging the officer to let him breath.
How was this cop a bad one? Which one exactly was the bad one?
Grand jury SHOULD have been instructed that they could indict on a lesser included offense. Of course, the prosecutor is the grand jury's legal adviser in these proceedings, so we'll likely never know. I once had a prosecutor misrepresent an element of a RICO charge to the grand jury. I never would have known if they hadn't actually put the wrong standard on the indictment itself.
I'm usually pro police / #### protester type, but this cop performed an illegal choke hold, then a group of cops ignored his pleas for life. This situation was botched and it cost this man his life.
If the chokehold happened and then the guy was cuffed and then frisked and then moved, checked on, given CPR, or basically treated like a human being after all risk nullified and he died, I would fully support the police here.
Also, even the guy video taping doesn't seem to think his life was in danger. I don't think anyone could have reasonably thought Garner was actually dying in that short amount of time.
So are you saying we should never complain when law enforcement screws up or does something bad?
Watch the video. What did I say that wasn't true there? He is yelling at the little dude in front of him to leave him alone, that he wasn't selling anything and that he is tired of him harassing him. He was causing a scene by raising his voice and people were gathering around. Without all of the commotion caused by Garner, I doubt there is even a video of the incident.
I'd rather walk around Raqqa with an American flag tee shirt than go to Berkeley.
That part is still talking about "the risk" that is disregarded. So even though chokeholds are not allowed and he did it anyway, in order to fit into the definition of recklessness, he has to be aware of the risk that he's creating, and have disregarded it. I think that the risk has to be something that's "reasonably foreseeable" or something like that. The "risk" that we're talking about here is the risk of causing this guy to die. He would have to be aware of that risk, and made a decision to take that risk and chokehold him anyway (I think).
So you care more about a tree lighting being interrupted than a man dying at the hands of police for selling cigarettes without a license?
Protesters are the most disrespectful to LE out there. I really hope some of them are in situations that they need help and don't get it.
They didn't do this? How long was the delay? And, yes, I've watched the second video, where they are waiting on EMS, who finally arrives and does...not so much.
I owe you beer? I warn you, I'm drinking Busch Light these days.
