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What if Chubb goes 1.02?
I got Chubb at 6 and Jones at 13I'll weep like a bish and take guice and jones/michel.
What if Chubb goes 1.02?
I got Chubb at 6 and Jones at 13I'll weep like a bish and take guice and jones/michel.
How does Jones go at 13? Superflex? Do you mind sharing your league's 1st round?I got Chubb at 6 and Jones at 13
WRs get 10pts per reception?I got Chubb at 6 and Jones at 13
My guess would be that league starts 2 QBs and has premium TE scoring.How does Jones go at 13? Superflex? Do you mind sharing your league's 1st round?
Exact same situation here. Seeing if I can trade up to 2.My league draft doesn't happen for a while, but right now Barkley and Guice are locked in to 1 and 2 and I pick 3. It's a tough choice between Penny, Jones, and Chubb purely because draft capital, landing spot, and superior talent. Right now though I'm leaning Chubb because he was my #2 prior to the draft. I'm hoping that talent outweighs landing spot and I can afford to wait for him to develop.
Hue Jackson does love splitting between two RB though and he is the head coach.Todd Haley hates having a bellcow tho... He's always got those RB committees going....
tee hee.
Enough quotes out there now for me to believe Haley has fill autonomy of the offense.Hue Jackson does love splitting between two RB though and he is the head coach.
Maybe he is hands off and Haley gets to run things differently?
If so I see this as a good thing.Enough quotes out there now for me to believe Haley has fill autonomy of the offense.
I traded 1.10, 1.12, 2.02, 2.06, and 3.5 to get to 1.02 just to take him....Second most talented player in the class, gap between Barkley and Chubb smaller than Chubb and the next guy in my book. Discounted due to injury, and then further by “less than ideal” landing.
Whereas most owners moved back for any premium they could get in drafts, I moved up to 3/4 to ensure Chubb, landing him in 5/6 leagues. Simply did not want to risk not getting him.
Low expectations for year one, extremely bullish on year two. From a value standpoint, seeing lesser talents in Mixon and DHenry value this offseason make it such that I’m not concerned in the least.
Love, love, love this cat.
Great trade. Can't believe someone took it.I traded 1.10, 1.12, 2.02, 2.06, and 3.5 to get to 1.02 just to take him....
Do you think Hyde is a mere backup, as far as talent and/or usage? Do you think Duke Johnson will be pushed aside after being a huge part of the offense in 2017 and showing up as one of the better third down type backs in the league?Todd Haley hates having a bellcow tho... He's always got those RB committees going....
tee hee.
Hes a pass catching jagDuke Johnson just signed a 3 year extension with 7.7M guaranteed
If he’d taken Guice I’d say it’s even or slightly on multiple picks side, as it stands he got fleeced.Jello_Biafra said:Great trade. Can't believe someone took it.
and? I bought chubb at 3 fully anticipating Duke stayingBut Duke is not
It was reasonable why Chubb slipped and is slipping. As long as Duke is there and healthy Chubb will never be involved in the passing game. That will always limit him to being a highly athletic #2RB and not a stud. I have plenty of Chubb stock, the Johnson resigning sucks.and? I bought chubb at 3 fully anticipating Duke staying
Come on Crowell had 53 targets and 40 catches just two years ago with Duke there!It was reasonable why Chubb slipped and is slipping. As long as Duke is there and healthy Chubb will never be involved in the passing game. That will always limit him to being a highly athletic #2RB and not a stud. I have plenty of Chubb stock, the Johnson resigning sucks.
I thought he got 1.01. Misread post.If he’d taken Guice I’d say it’s even or slightly on multiple picks side, as it stands he got fleeced.
I didn't want them to sign Duke either but I think you're underestimating Chubb a bit and might be a little too pessimistic. This is not like the Browns traded for David Johnson.I agree
Yeah I like Chubb as an NFL RB. I hate his situation. I think Chubb will be a great NFL RB, but a headache of a fantasy RB
I find it hard to understand why people are clamoring over him as if he's going to push Duke Johnson aside, or that he's even going to flourish with Duke
Let's take Soulfly's prediction and say best case scenario Chubb gets 250 carries... Cleveland VP of player personnel compared him to Jamal Lewis, who averaged 4.2 yards per carry on his career. So let's pretend Chubb averages that. So he gets 1050 yards this season on 250 touches, best case scenario. Kind of hard to believe after losing Joe Thomas that he's going to average more than Fournette or Zeke, but it is best case scenario so I'll play along.
So what about TDs... Crowell averaged 5 per year in Cleveland. So 1050 yards and 5 TDs? What about Hyde? He could fulfill a goal line back role. In fact, that's his bread and butter. So it's reasonable to say that Chubb may only get 3-4 TDs. For the sake of argument, let's give him 4.
Let's say Chubb gets 2 receptions a game for 300 yards. I think that's reasonable. It's a higher average per catch than Crowell ever got, and you can't expect a rookie to be in on passing downs much, especially with Hyde there.
He's still averaging only about 12 points per game. That's not even flex worthy in many PPR leagues. And that's a best case scenario. Even if he has 8 TDs (Crowell's all time high... without Duke might I add). He's still only at 13.4 points per game. I've said in the past that I'd be happy with my RB2 scoring over 12 points per game weekly, but it just goes to show that Chubb's value will almost always be diminished to a low end RB2 as long as Duke Johnson is vulturing receptions.
Did you think he moved to 1.01 to take Chubb? And the other dude got fleeced?I thought he got 1.01. Misread post.
Nfl teams need depth....its not a death knell for chubb....duke is a role playerBut Duke is not
so you think chubb will average more than 4.2 ypc, have over 250 rushes?I didn't want them to sign Duke either but I think you're underestimating Chubb a bit and might be a little too pessimistic. This is not like the Browns traded for David Johnson.
No I did not think that. just disregard my post I misread the trade and I don't feel like going back to look at it.Did you think he moved to 1.01 to take Chubb? And the other dude got fleeced?
I think that Duke is not a huge threat to chubb long-term. that is all I was saying.so you think chubb will average more than 4.2 ypc, have over 250 rushes?
I thought I was being generous... behind that awful OL I dont expect any RB to average over 4.0 ypc.
or you think chubb will score 10 TDs?
I don't think Duke is a threat for Chubb either. I dont think Duke is better than Chubb or will force him to the bench. I think Duke limits Chubbs upside. Crowell wasn't half bad at catching the ball. I believe he had a few high catch games. but in the end they kept going back to Duke. now chubb >>> Crowell, but I dont see their game plan changing.I think that Duke is not a huge threat to chubb long-term. that is all I was saying.
I thought Cleveland had a solid OL? if you're going to judge this year's rookies based on their teams OLs, you have to drop Barkley and Penny down a bit because they are playing behind putrid OLs.I don't think Duke is a threat for Chubb either. I dont think Duke is better than Chubb or will force him to the bench. I think Duke limits Chubbs upside. Crowell wasn't half bad at catching the ball. I believe he had a few high catch games. but in the end they kept going back to Duke. now chubb >>> Crowell, but I dont see their game plan changing.
I like Chubb a lot hate his destination. One of the worst OL in football, unknown at qb, and the lone highlight on offense happens to play his same position.
in the long term, maybe chubb carves out more of a passing roll. I agree. I hope to land chubb in a trade of I can. perhaps after a Mixon-like rookie year his owner will drop the price a little. we will see. I certainly dont like his outlook over the next 2 seasons at least
What was Crowell's ypc last season?so you think chubb will average more than 4.2 ypc, have over 250 rushes?
I thought I was being generous... behind that awful OL I dont expect any RB to average over 4.0 ypc.
or you think chubb will score 10 TDs?
after Joe Thomas got hurt?What was Crowell's ypc last season?
I hate penny behind that OL. I hate penny more than chubb tbh. I also done think Barkley rushes very well either. I think having an average QB, super star wr and a budding te helps. I think Barkley's value lies in receptions. not to mention Barkley is a generational talent. chubb is not.I thought Cleveland had a solid OL? if you're going to judge this year's rookies based on their teams OLs, you have to drop Barkley and Penny down a bit because they are playing behind putrid OLs.
Nyg added solder and drafted hernandez in round 2...that line will be much better...cleveland lost an all generation talent in joe thomas....im not sure what seattle is doing at oline.....I thought Cleveland had a solid OL? if you're going to judge this year's rookies based on their teams OLs, you have to drop Barkley and Penny down a bit because they are playing behind putrid OLs.
I think a healthy Chubb is very close to a generational talent. The big difference is pass catching though, can’t disagree with that.I hate penny behind that OL. I hate penny more than chubb tbh. I also done think Barkley rushes very well either. I think having an average QB, super star wr and a budding te helps. I think Barkley's value lies in receptions. not to mention Barkley is a generational talent. chubb is not.
I would agree with you 2 years ago. I'm not so sure now. He had flashes of his former self this last year, but whether or not he continues to make that return to his pre-injury self, and if that translates into his NFL game, remain to be seen. No one knows and only time will tell. If he can return back to that form, yes I agree 100%. I really like Chubb as a player. I am hoping to trade for him at some point. I am pretty sure it would cost me Hines and Corey Davis, and I'm not sure I like that deal at this point.I think a healthy Chubb is very close to a generational talent. The big difference is pass catching though, can’t disagree with that.
Penny's line is a very big question mark heading into 2018. On the plus side, Justin Britt has been a rock manning the center position, starting 63 of the last 64 games. Germaine Ifedi, a first round pick, has started 29 of the last 32 games Duane Brown started nine games last season and will have a full offseason to work with the team. 2017 second round pick Ethan Pocic was thrown into the fire last year and managed 11 starts. There is definitely not a ton of cohesion on the Seattle offensive line but it's not all doom and gloom. A starting unit has a total of 80 starts in a 16 game season (16*5) and Seattle is returning 52 of those starts in 2017, that's right about league average (18th of 32 teams). If we judge by draft capital then it looks like they are not devoid of talent either. There is a big gap at RG that DJ Fluker was brought in to fill, which I am sure doesn't excite many talent evaluators. And of their bench players only Rees Odhiambo started any games last season, in fact he is the only bench player to log any snaps with Seattle in 2017. George Fant did start 10 games in 2016. They also have a new OC and a new OL coach so there is going to be some new concepts they will have to figure out together.I thought Cleveland had a solid OL? if you're going to judge this year's rookies based on their teams OLs, you have to drop Barkley and Penny down a bit because they are playing behind putrid OLs.
It is very easy to be down on the Giants OL after last season bu,t as always, hope springs eternal. Erek Flowers gets killed, probably deservedly so, for being a sub par LT but I think it is fair to say that the entire team was a picture of dysfunction last year.I thought Cleveland had a solid OL? if you're going to judge this year's rookies based on their teams OLs, you have to drop Barkley and Penny down a bit because they are playing behind putrid OLs.
I'm aware of the Giants OL improvements. I'm just responding to someone that said Chubb had no chance behind the putrid Cleveland OL. I look at more than immediate situation when evaluating players, because I only play dynasty. Teams can improve their OL quickly, situations change, but talent is still talent. I don't see Duke Johnson, or the Browns' OL getting in the way of Chubb being a productive player, long term.It is very easy to be down on the Giants OL after last season bu,t as always, hope springs eternal. Erek Flowers gets killed, probably deservedly so, for being a sub par LT but I think it is fair to say that the entire team was a picture of dysfunction last year.
Flowers is being moved to RT and, despite all the hubub about not showing up for voluntary sessions in April all the reports have been positive about the move. What that translates to is the right side of the NYG OL (C-RG-RT) combined for 44 of 48 starts together last season. While that sounds good, and it is, UDFA C Brett Jones is really a big unknown and it would not be surprising if he simply doesn't have the talent to be a long term answer. RG John Jerry is a steady veteran with 56 starts over the last four seasons. It's likely not a great right side but it's probably a lot (a little?) better than people give credit for, but if Shurmer's staff can get Flowers to have even a Robert Gallery style resurgence (i.e. good, not great) then... The left side is entirely new, neither Nate Solder or Will Hernandez were with the Giants last year but Hernandez was the 34th pick, and second guard drafted in April and I think everyone and my grandmother sees Solder as a big improvement.
I think a big factor in their favor is the influx of offensive talent with the return of ODB and addition of Barkley which will go a long way to masking the deficiencies along the OL.
I expect the OL to be a liability at least early in the season, and very possibly all year, but there is just enough there to think they can finish the season as a middle of the pack group.
Um no.One of the worst OL in football,