Hot Sauce Guy
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Chubb with a receiving target? 
didnt catch it
but targeted
didnt catch it
but targeted
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RB Nick Chubb, CLE (5 Viewers)
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Interseptopus
Footballguy
at least we know he is finally guaranteed volume
JoeSteeler
Footballguy
all you knobs cursed him with your soft ball jokes
Captain Cranks
Footballguy
Good lord does he have amazing balance. Dude gets his legs hit constantly and he doesn't budge.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
60/1 and I’m happy with him as a flex today. Hope he gets in again.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Damn, I wanted my Chubb in OT.
gianmarco
Footballguy
Andrew74
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
OT!!
Interseptopus
Footballguy
weve got a rb2 with rb1 upside easy ros me thinks.
Didnt need him to win this week but hes in for me ros
Didnt need him to win this week but hes in for me ros
Gopher State
Footballguy
Looks like solid RB2 the rest of the way
hardcoredx
Footballguy
He gets better in the 4th quarter. Absolute high end 2nd rb2. He’s got plenty of big play td ability, they need to feed this guy 20-22 touches
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
The problem is offensive coordinator Todd Haley only used him once in OT. Why? He had Baker passing on first down in OT and it lead to penalties and sacks that took them out of FG range. Chubb was obviously starting to get some traction late in the game and we went to OT and then Haley shut him down. Why? Haley sucks making play calls with the game on the line. Four OT games and he's got 2 FGs with one win, Come on Todd.
Now Hue is talking about getting more involved with the offense. If he does then that might mean more Duke Johnson and passes to the RBs which wouldn't be horrible but it seems like its going to turn into a clusterfudge.
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#Browns Hue Jackson says he needs to get the offensive issues figure out: "I need to be a little bit more involved. I think I have every right here as the head coach to get it figured out."
2:07 PM - 21 Oct 2018
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Enough of the damatic close games, just run it and get the easy win for a change.
So frustrating.
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The best part about today is it shows they are going to give Chubb the Hyde role, plus they had Duke Johnson and Hyde in together with Duke playing as a WR. This won't be some additional split between Chubb and Duke. Chubb is going to get the vast majority of the carries.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Don't start counting chickens when Hue says he's going to get more involved with the offense to 'figure things out'. I don't know what Hue plans.
I think Hue plans to throw Haley under the bus and absolve himself from the responsibility of the offensive performance in the past games. I doubt the play calling will change all that much unless there is a true coaching change in Cleveland.
How about starting with solving all of the penalties on offense? It's crazy.
chad in Indy
Footballguy
I think Haley was too cute early in the game and then it put the Browns in bad down and distance situations.
Big Blue Wrecking Crew
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Good performance but not thrilled with lack of action in passing game. And why run Mayfield on sneak at goal line when Chubb already got one in from the 1?
The Landry td was bad luck...could have had 3
The Landry td was bad luck...could have had 3
heckmanm
Footballguy
Best part is I had Cohen in my lineup before the trade and he outscored both of them combined
boots11234
Footballguy
I stupidly took Cohen out. Got excited about riding the Chubby train. Never again.
Best part is I had Cohen in my lineup before the trade and he outscored both of them combined
jtp1982
Footballguy
Two things:
1- Chubb actually ran short routes out of the backfield multiple times today on passing plays. Baker is usually looking further downfield though so it will take time for that connection to materialize if it does this season.
2- Most coaches who watch that film are going to ask why Chubb want the first option inside the 5 yard line. It was weird play calling and you could argue it cost them the game. You’d think that will change but with Hugh Jackson who really knows.
1- Chubb actually ran short routes out of the backfield multiple times today on passing plays. Baker is usually looking further downfield though so it will take time for that connection to materialize if it does this season.
2- Most coaches who watch that film are going to ask why Chubb want the first option inside the 5 yard line. It was weird play calling and you could argue it cost them the game. You’d think that will change but with Hugh Jackson who really knows.
heckmanm
Footballguy
I'm in a mostly-for-fun work league with a hardcore Browns homer. We can keep up to 3 players at their draft slot for up to 3 years, and I have both Guice and Chubb (drafted and dropped) as 18th-rounders. So I can only keep one; figured I'd dangle Chubb (sorry) at Mr. Cleveland later in the season for a 2019 draft pick.
Guess who just came sniffing around - offered me Lindsay straight up. Gonna cost more than that, fanboy!
Guess who just came sniffing around - offered me Lindsay straight up. Gonna cost more than that, fanboy!
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
He ran them but at some point the Chubbies are going to simply have to accept the fact he's not a good option in obvious passing situations. They never kept him in to block and he's not a good receiver whereas Duke Johnson is a great receiver and is good in pass-pro. Duke also signed an extension to make him one of the top-ten highest paid RBs in the league.jtp1982 said:
Last year when Hue was in charge he targeted Duke 93 times and he caught 74 passes. Duke is the one that Baker is overlooking when he's been wide open multiple times but you are correct, Baker and Haley are hyper aggressive and they want to go deep but those connections haven't been happening.
They finally started to use Landry on short crossers and he had his biggest game of the year. They went away from Callaway. Haley still won't dial things down and use Duke to keep drives alive but Haley kept going with the running game and getting the offense in third and long and the Bucs built a 23-9 lead before the defense gave then 4 turnovers and he still refused to make proper adjustments in the passing game ...
By properly using Duke in the passing game it will EXTEND drives and then Chubb can be more effective. Killing drives keeps him entirely off the field.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Any time a player of this caliber gets 18 touches or more, it’s RB2-worthy with RB1 upside.
I’m excited to have him on one team.
I’m excited to have him on one team.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Yeah, its not like his offense got 4 turnovers, nearly an entire OT, was playing the 31st ranked defense that had just fired its defensive coordinator, and had not one but two starting defensive linemen OUT, oh and they lost their starting middle linebacker AND his rookie replacement during the game. Oh and now HC Hue Jackson says he's going to straighten out the offense and no one knows what the heck that means.
I love Nick Chubb but he's playing against the Steelers this week in Pittsburgh.
I'd start him but I don't know what to expect.
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mnmplayer
Footballguy
Well at least we don't have to listen to the "he won't see the field because of Duke's superior pass blocking ... " anymore. That idea was squashed pretty good. Now it's fear of Pittsburgh. Fear of the hue taking over Haley's offense which will take carries away from Chubb after he has been saying he wants Chubb more involved for weeks. Let's fear that hue likes duke cos he gave him a ton of recs when Chubb wasn't even on the team.
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Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
How'd that work? What did Chubb do in the passing game? Playing the 31st ranked defense, 2 starting D-lInemen out, 2 linebackers getting injured during the game, 1 DC fired during week leading up to game, when does he become effective in the passing game?
Yep, the Browns 30th ranked offense could really use Chubb in the passing game over Duke. You sold me. Why because he was in the game even though he didn't pass-pro and didn't catch a pass. But at least you don't have to listen to anyone who says different. Yep, you put that to bed.
With Zeke on bye, I'm choosing among a bunch of RB2s for next week: Lindsay, Breida, Chubb, Howard (also Crowell, but he's not under consideration). As of right now, I'm thinking Lindsay for sure and it will come down to Breida vs. Chubb, based on a) Breida's health and b) what I think of the Pitt matchup (by the numbers, they're listed as one of the toughest, but I haven't looked into it in detail yet)
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Paint whatever narrative you’d like. Spin it 73 ways to the positive or negative at your leisure.
You quoted me saying the only narrative I care about: utilization.
Chubb passes the eye test. He’s elusive, strong, physical, agile and has both speeed & quicks.
and he should get 15-20 touches a game.
Some weeks that will be great. Some weeks it will be less than great. Some weeks he may be RB1-worthy. Because the talent is obvious.
But since it’s a sport filled with variables (opponent, score / game-flow, weather, OL health, young QB, etc) we just don’t know what that’ll produce on a weekly basis. And most of those factors apply to every running back not named Todd Gurley.
And spin can be disingenuous as well. Take for example your statement about the ranking of TB’s defense. They actually had a highly rated run defense. I’ve said that much of that was due to teams passing on them like crazy since their secondary is a mess, but as it turns out, even without McCoy they’re not bad against the run. And Chubb still put up 80/1, which is smack dab RB2 production.
And with BYE weeks shooting holes in preople’s rosters through week 12, anyone with Chubb should consider themselves very fortunate. I know I do.
He wont replace Melvin Gordon next week, but he’s a hell of a lot better bet than Alex Collins, and has a safer floor than Peyton Barber which are my other options.
Context matters sometimes.
And since we all got our bag, as the expression goes, I’d prefer to avoid the narratives and just go with what I know:
• Browns are (gasp!) an up & coming offense
• Browns QB/WR/RB trio is looking legit, and I expect will improve, while also maybe having some growing pains.
• Browns D should be good enough to keep them in games
• Chubb & Duke are compatable & complimentary players. I’m weary of the “Chubb or Duke” narrative because they are filling different roles on the team and can both be successful if the Browns utilize each correctly.
• Chubb should get between 15-20 touches any given Sunday, which includes short yardage. As such, he should have at least RB2 value for the ROS. Most of us have him as a RB3/Flex once BYEs are done, which is a real ace in the hole compared to the crap shoot we had before.
IMO, all the narratives aside, those are the data points that matter.
TL
R Chubb good, Chubb RB2 ROS 
hardcoredx
Footballguy
Congratulations to the Browns on getting one of the best backs in the NFL, I pray he stays healthy. Has it all- speed,power, balance, elusiveness, and vision. Certainly better vision than Sasquatch “let me take it outside all the time” Barkley. This guy was close to breaking a big run on 5-6 carries. I hope the rumors are true about Hue getting fired
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We can only hope.
When Hue was calling plays in Cincy, I think they were the most run heavy team in the league.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
That’s what everyone said about why we should truest Raiders RBs under Hue as well. Didn’t work out so good, but he was definitely run-heavy in Cinci & with great success.
McFadden had a hell of a season under Hue as OC in 2010 and he was having another great season in 2011 when Hue was HC, but then he got injured. Michael Bush had RB1 numbers in McFadden's place. So I'm not sure what your qualm is with Hue's RBs in Oakland. If you handcuffed Bush to DMC, you had RB1 numbers all season long for both years.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Oh I didn’t have qualms...I was just saying he wasn’t as successful with the team as he was in cinci.
I think you may have misunderstood a bit - sorry if I was unclear.
brewer
Footballguy
I'm fine with that. None of those three are match up proof to me though which is kind of my point.
Even including them in the list, Chubb is still a low end RB1/high end RB2 right now in my opinion.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Penciled in over Lockett this week for flex
JoeyJoJoJuniorShabadoo
Footballguy
Thanks for this bit of sanity...I think part of the issue is that people are looking for that season savior (like David Johnson, Chris Johnson in years past). Chubb met expectations and then some. If this kind of usage is what we see moving forward I'll be happy with having burned a bench sport for him for these many weeks.
joey
Footballguy
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
While we saw Chubb's big play potential in Oakland, I would be very pleased with just a solid RB2 going forward.
Hue Jackson finally talks about the trade of Hyde to Jacksonville (and Chubb's performance yesterday):
Browns general manager John Dorsey and coach Hue Jackson talked through the trade prospect before it was executed and agreed that it was the best move for the organization. The decision came a little easier knowing the team was in good hands with Chubb and Johnson.
“We made the decision as an organization to trade him, and we did that. That was OK,” Jackson said. “I thought Chubb did well. He had 18 carries for 80 yards and a touchdown. Ran hard, ran strong and did some really good things yesterday.
“I thought Chubb did well. I thought he broke tackles, ran the ball well, and did what we asked him to do that way. Along with Duke, I thought all our guys responded. I don’t think we have any lingering effects from that. I think the team gets it. They understand what we are accomplishing. I talked to them about it. They get it. On we go. We had a chance to win this game and we should have done the things we needed to do to win.”
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The quote suggests that Hue was totally on board with moving to Chubb and that the RB situation yesterday was fine.
Browns general manager John Dorsey and coach Hue Jackson talked through the trade prospect before it was executed and agreed that it was the best move for the organization. The decision came a little easier knowing the team was in good hands with Chubb and Johnson.
“We made the decision as an organization to trade him, and we did that. That was OK,” Jackson said. “I thought Chubb did well. He had 18 carries for 80 yards and a touchdown. Ran hard, ran strong and did some really good things yesterday.
“I thought Chubb did well. I thought he broke tackles, ran the ball well, and did what we asked him to do that way. Along with Duke, I thought all our guys responded. I don’t think we have any lingering effects from that. I think the team gets it. They understand what we are accomplishing. I talked to them about it. They get it. On we go. We had a chance to win this game and we should have done the things we needed to do to win.”
Link
The quote suggests that Hue was totally on board with moving to Chubb and that the RB situation yesterday was fine.
