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14. Glory (1989)

Directed by: Edward Zwick

Starring: Matthew Broderick, Denzel Washington, Morgan Freeman

My favorite Civil War movie of all time about the famed African-American 54th Regiment. Everybody involved is superb, and the battle scenes are absolutely riveting. This is the film that made Denzel Washington a memorable Hollywood actor. It also demonstrated that Broderick was capable of more than the teenage typecasting he received during the 80s.

I have long thought that Hollywood should give the 442nd regiment (made up of Japanese-Americans from Hawaii during World War II, VERY similar story) equal treatment- it would be a poignant story especially now.

Next Up: Ah, you're learning, Willie! You're learning that you don't work with a captain because you like the way he parts his hair. You work with him because he's got the job or you're no good! Well, the case is over. You're all safe. It was like shooting fish in a barrel.

 

 

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4 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Glory is a really well made movie based on an impossible to screw up subject, its production values are awesome, it has terrific detail, the story is real, it's packed with great actors... just one problem - it's boring.

It is not.

Did you watch Gettysburg? Gods and Generals? Those movies are boring. Glory is riveting, IMO.

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18 minutes ago, timschochet said:

14. Glory (1989)

Directed by: Edward Zwick

Starring: Matthew Broderick, Denzel Washington, Morgan Freeman

My favorite Civil War movie of all time about the famed negro African-American 54th Regiment. Everybody involved is superb, and the battle scenes are absolutely riveting. This is the film that made Denzel Washington a memorable Hollywood actor. It also demonstrated that Broderick was capable of more than the teenage typecasting he received during the 80s.

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2 minutes ago, pandora said:

Fixed.

I could have referred to them as "freedmen", "colored", or even "contraband" (though that term wouldn't be accurate, but it was used incorrectly at the time.) Why is this significant to you?

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2 minutes ago, timschochet said:

I could have referred to them as "freedmen", "colored", or even "contraband" (though that term wouldn't be accurate, but it was used incorrectly at the time.) Why is this significant to you?

Because they weren't called "African-Americans" during the civil war.

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3 minutes ago, timschochet said:

I could have referred to them as "freedmen", "colored", or even "contraband" (though that term wouldn't be accurate, but it was used incorrectly at the time.) Why is this significant to you?

Don't engage that fool, tim. You're not going to get a sensible conversation out of it, if that's what you're looking for. I made the mistake of responding to the inanity elsewhere and instantly regretted it. 

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Just now, Uruk-Hai said:

Don't engage that fool, tim. You're not going to get a sensible conversation out of it, if that's what you're looking for. I made the mistake of responding to the inanity elsewhere and instantly regretted it. 

OK. Never encountered him before (though I'm getting a vibe.)

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10 minutes ago, timschochet said:

That doesn't matter. We don't live in the Civil War era.

Tell me where in the script they call them "African-Americans" and I will concede it to you.

But I recall "negroes", "black", "colored", "n***ers", but no "African-American"

GB them not being politically correct.

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8 minutes ago, Uruk-Hai said:

Don't engage that fool, tim. You're not going to get a sensible conversation out of it, if that's what you're looking for. I made the mistake of responding to the inanity elsewhere and instantly regretted it. 

Aww.  I guess it hurt you being incorrect.

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6 minutes ago, pandora said:

Tell me where in the script they call them "African-Americans" and I will concede it to you.

But I recall "negroes", "black", "colored", "n***ers", but no "African-American"

GB them not being politically correct.

This is a nice thread for people with weird interests in ranking presidents, constitutional amendments, books, movies and pigeons - please go check out Capn Quinoa's thread on strange social theories. Thanks.

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1 hour ago, timschochet said:

14. Glory (1989)

Directed by: Edward Zwick

Starring: Matthew Broderick, Denzel Washington, Morgan Freeman

My favorite Civil War movie of all time about the famed African-American 54th Regiment. Everybody involved is superb, and the battle scenes are absolutely riveting. This is the film that made Denzel Washington a memorable Hollywood actor. It also demonstrated that Broderick was capable of more than the teenage typecasting he received during the 80s.

I have long thought that Hollywood should give the 442nd regiment (made up of Japanese-Americans from Hawaii during World War II, VERY similar story) equal treatment- it would be a poignant story especially now.

Next Up: Ah, you're learning, Willie! You're learning that you don't work with a captain because you like the way he parts his hair. You work with him because he's got the job or you're no good! Well, the case is over. You're all safe. It was like shooting fish in a barrel.

 

 

It's a great movie, pretty much every actor turned in a quality performance. Broderick was terrible in it.

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9 hours ago, Gr00vus said:

It's a great movie, pretty much every actor turned in a quality performance. Broderick was terrible in it.

I think he was miscast, but acquitted himself well. Coming off Ferris Bueller it was hard to get that role out of your head. The more I've watched this movie, the better Broderick gets. If you think about the age the guy Broderick was playing would have been, the fresh face isnt that out of place. A more assured officer wouldnt have got that job and Broderick conveys naivete well.

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17 hours ago, timschochet said:

It is not.

Did you watch Gettysburg? Gods and Generals? Those movies are boring. Glory is riveting, IMO.

Hold on. Gettysburg has boring parts (it is bloated and was intended as a miniseries) but has some awesome parts.  The battle of Little Round Top is anything but boring.  

God's and Generals is definitely a mess. 

Glory is just amazing with an equally amazing James Horner score. 

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On 3/3/2017 at 4:30 PM, timschochet said:

17. Guess Who's Coming to Dinner (1967)

Directed by: Stanley Kramer

Starring: Spencer Tracy, Katherine Hepburn, Sidney Poitier

This is the last of the Kramer-Tracy trilogy on my list (though Stanley Kramer was the producer of an upcoming film I have yet to rank.) It is considered to be particularly poignant by film historians as it was the final Tracy/Hepburn film, Tracy was dying as it was filmed, and the tears that are in Katherine Hepburn's eyes in the final scene have to do with these facts (though that is a very tearful scene; I always cry watching it myself, but because of the script, not Spencer Tracy's fate sad as it was.) 

The film is essentially a comedy though it deals with what was an important issue of the time (interracial marriage), less so now. Some of both it's humor and it's message is incredibly dated- Isabel Sanford in particular is cringeworthy with some of her dialogue. I was actually introduced to this movie in a college film class by a professor who made the point that it's both sexist and racist. Racist in that Sidney Poitier is presented as the "perfect" black man; perfect in that he is a handsome, clean cut brilliant doctor. Yet he is willing to defer to the wishes of his fiancé's parents, telling them that if they disapprove of the marriage, it's off. This last is also what makes the film sexist, especially when contrasted with another interracial film from a decade earlier: Sayonara, starring Marlon Brando. Brando is a white man who is in love with a Japanese girl; at the end of the film he says screw it to everyone and marries her. The message from Hollywood, according to my professor, is that in a mixed marriage if the man is white, he can decide what to do. But if the woman is white, the man must defer to her parents to decide. 

I agree with my old professor's analysis, and even so I love this movie. (So, frankly, did he.) It may be dated, racist, sexist, but it's heart is absolutely in the right place and it's a wonderful romantic comedy. Tracy and Hepburn are simply magic together (as they usually were.) Poitier is fine but he strangely reminds me of William Shatner in this film, in looks, movement, speech patterns. I'm being serious here- watch this movie back to back with any episode of Star Trek: the original series. It's eery. 

Up next:  And that's the hardest part. Today everything is different; there's no action... have to wait around like everyone else. Can't even get decent food - right after I got here, I ordered some spaghetti with marinara sauce, and I got egg noodles and ketchup. I'm an average nobody... get to live the rest of my life like a schnook.

Really? That movie may have been shocking and groundbreaking at the time. Today, it's pretty lame IMO. There are definitely better Poitier movies and better Hepburn/Tracy films. 

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19 hours ago, timschochet said:

It is not.

Did you watch Gettysburg? Gods and Generals? Those movies are boring. Glory is riveting, IMO.

Totally agree w/ Gods and Generals. I like it for the period / costumes / etc, but it's a trainwreck all around.

But Gettysburg is boring? Really?  

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I'm not saying that you have bad taste in movies I'm really not.  And I liked Glory a lot.  Agree with everything you said about it.

But how the **** you rank it higher than Godfather?  On what planet is that a real thing?  This one?  Nope, not on this one.  You're on some different plane of existence or something. 

Again.  In my humble opinion.  YMMV.  Etcetera, etcetera.

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19 hours ago, timschochet said:

It is not.

Did you watch Gettysburg? Gods and Generals? Those movies are boring. Glory is riveting, IMO.

Woah woah woah... Boring?

Gettysburg?  The movie about Gettysburg?  The one with the President Bartlett, the bouncer from RoadHouse and the guy from Dumb and Dumber who also played the greatest news anchor in television history for three seasons of an HBO show?  That Gettysburg?

Just when I want to like you you go and do something like that.  Like playing cards with my brother's kids or something....

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22 minutes ago, Yankee23Fan said:

I'm not saying that you have bad taste in movies I'm really not.  And I liked Glory a lot.  Agree with everything you said about it.

But how the **** you rank it higher than Godfather?  On what planet is that a real thing?  This one?  Nope, not on this one.  You're on some different plane of existence or something. 

Again.  In my humble opinion.  YMMV.  Etcetera, etcetera.

Because he likes it more than Godfather.

 

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2 hours ago, Ilov80s said:

Really? That movie may have been shocking and groundbreaking at the time. Today, it's pretty lame IMO. There are definitely better Poitier movies and better Hepburn/Tracy films. 

Agree. Tried to watch it recently and rarely seen anything more staid and stagy. Would have enjoyed a slasher musical more. Important, yes, but to put it on a favorites list you'd have to be a humorless, lip-service progressive with a pineapple up your a........................................nm

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1 hour ago, wikkidpissah said:

Agree. Tried to watch it recently and rarely seen anything more staid and stagy. Would have enjoyed a slasher musical more. Important, yes, but to put it on a favorites list you'd have to be a humorless, lip-service progressive with a pineapple up your a........................................nm

Some movies age like a fine wine and some age like a burrito from Taco Bell. This movie is the latter. It literally killed Spencer Tracy.Some movies age like a fine wine and some age like a burrito from Taco Bell. This movie is the latter. It literally killed Spencer Tracy.

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15 minutes ago, Ilov80s said:

Some movies age like a fine wine and some age like a burrito from Taco Bell. This movie is the latter. It literally killed Spencer Tracy.Some movies age like a fine wine and some age like a burrito from Taco Bell. This movie is the latter. It literally killed Spencer Tracy.

I loved it. It was much better than Cats. I'm going to see it again and again. I loved it. It was much better than Cats. I'm going to see it again and again.

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36 minutes ago, McGarnicle said:

I loved it. It was much better than Cats. I'm going to see it again and again. I loved it. It was much better than Cats. I'm going to see it again and again.

I'm seeing double so figure I might as well type double 

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3 hours ago, Yankee23Fan said:

I'm not saying that you have bad taste in movies I'm really not.  And I liked Glory a lot.  Agree with everything you said about it.

But how the **** you rank it higher than Godfather?  On what planet is that a real thing?  This one?  Nope, not on this one.  You're on some different plane of existence or something. 

Again.  In my humble opinion.  YMMV.  Etcetera, etcetera.

Godfather Part II

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13. The Caine Mutiny (1954)

Directed by: Edward Dmytryk

Starring: Humphrey Bogart, Fred MacMurray, Van Johnson, Jose Ferrer

Columbia Pictures told Stanley Kramer, the producer of this film, that they were afraid that Herman Wouk's story might be perceived as "anti-military" (this was during the Red Scare), so Kramer puts in lots of scenes glorifying the Navy, along with a message at the beginning of the film about how wonderful US servicemen are. Actually, I found that these inclusions add to the film's likability. 

Most people remember Bogart, of course, because Queeg is at once one of the greatest Hollywood villains ever, but what's really ironic is that he's not the villain of the movie at all- indeed, he's a hero, as the film eventually demonstrates. The true villain is Keefer, played by MacMurray, who was simply a spectacular noir actor before he gave that up to become the fatherly star of My Three Sons. Van Johnson was also terrific as the hero Maryk (Johnson was a gay movie star who tragically had to live in the closet, even to the point of marrying). Robert Francis as Keith had a promising movie career ahead of him, but died only a year later in a plane crash. Jose Ferrer had perhaps the greatest voice in movie history.

Anyhow, this is my favorite of the great old fashioned Hollywood war movies. It's riveting all throughout. And it's also my favorite Bogart role. 

Up next: Six years from now, I'll be back here with my wife and two kids. And I'll see you, and one of my kids will say, "Daddy, who is that?" And I'll say it's not nice to point at single fat women.

 
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23 hours ago, timschochet said:

By the way, Wikipedia refers to the 54th Regiment, correctly, as made up of African-American soldiers:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/54th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment

You're fine calling them the 54th Massachusetts, but their historical is 54th Massachusetts (Colored) Volunteer Infantry. Commonly referred to that in numerous books & websites. Though you have to wonder where the parenthetical reference came from? The 175 federal regiments were called USCT, but the state regiments didn't seem to use the C word in their title (think there was like 6 state regiments.) pretty minor point.

Great movie, and along with Ken Burns PBS series, proved to be a critical element in a resurgence in ACW history & battlefield tourism. 

But...no where there Godfather I or II in any ranking. The story lags in the middle.

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28 minutes ago, BobbyLayne said:

You're fine calling them the 54th Massachusetts, but their historical is 54th Massachusetts (Colored) Volunteer Infantry. Commonly referred to that in numerous books & websites. Though you have to wonder where the parenthetical reference came from? The 175 federal regiments were called USCT, but the state regiments didn't seem to use the C word in their title (think there was like 6 state regiments.) pretty minor point.

Great movie, and along with Ken Burns PBS series, proved to be a critical element in a resurgence in ACW history & battlefield tourism. 

But...no where there Godfather I or II in any ranking. The story lags in the middle.

Interesting stuff.

Obviously, my ranking of The Godfather Part II as my 23rd favorite movie of all time appears to be my most controversial choice so far. I do love that movie, or it wouldn't be #23 on my list. But IMO it is flawed compared to the movies I have ranked above it. I'll discuss this in a little more detail when I get to the original film (a little later on.) 

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22 minutes ago, Uruk-Hai said:

Tim, refresh my memory: this is a list of the films you enjoy most, not the films you think are the best - right?

Yep. It's even in the title. "Favorite".

If I were ranking the BEST films of all time (which I am not at all qualified to do,) I would probably end up including some movies in my top 10 that aren't anywhere on this list: such as:  

Citizen Kane

8 1/2

2001: A Space Odyssey

Other movies that are not on this list but would have to be on that one, in no particular order:

Sunset Boulevard

The Seventh Seal

Gone With the Wind

The Wizard of Oz

Casablanca

To Kill A Mockingbird

Psycho

Vertigo

Rear Window

Persona

The Grand Illusion

City Lights

The Graduate

 

 

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