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10 hours ago, Rove! said:

The point you are missing is that the league is acting in a somewhat monopolistic manner.  A regular business has to play full market value for employees.

The employees agreed to a CBA which spelled out how they were going to be paid. They have had the option and will have it again to strike to change how they get paid. They have elected not to do that thus far.

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18 hours ago, KingPrawn said:

Cowboys cut like 4 RBs today. I think that's gotta be a good sign

Maybe, maybe not. Could just mean they feel Olawale can play RB if need be. Or they were really unimpressed with those guys. Dallas kept less WR's than most teams do, and more OL than most teams do.

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18 minutes ago, travdogg said:

Maybe, maybe not. Could just mean they feel Olawale can play RB if need be. Or they were really unimpressed with those guys. Dallas kept less WR's than most teams do, and more OL than most teams do.

Agree. The Chargers only kept Ekeler, Justin Jackson, Troymain Pope, and FB Watt with Gordon holding out. They cut at least 2 RBs who seem to have good talent/potential. I think that is better than the Cowboys' group, but not because they kept a 3rd RB in Pope.

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Yahoo's Charles Robinson reports the Cowboys were "frustrated" by their last exchange with holdout RB Ezekiel Elliott.

After weeks of contentious contract talks, it looked like the two sides were on the cusp of a breakthrough this weekend, though Dallas came away disappointed following Sunday's exchange with Elliott's camp. Per Robinson, the Cowboys had expected "more compromise" from Zeke after the momentum built Saturday. Sunday's setback doesn't necessarily erase the progress made this weekend, though with only six days until their opener against the Giants, time is no longer on the Cowboys' side. It's doubtful the two-time rushing champ will settle for anything less than Todd Gurley's industry-leading $15 million annual salary. If Zeke (who is reportedly still in Cabo) and the Cowboys can't close the gap before Week 1, workhorse duties will fall with fourth-round rookie Tony Pollard.

SOURCE: Charles Robinson on Twitter

Sep 2, 2019, 8:17 AM ET

 

 

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Oy vey. Welp, it's the 11th hour for me. Have to make a decision in 2 hours on whether to keep this guy or Michel. Both are in their last season of their contracts in this league. It seems more "experts" think this will get done soon, but I'm skeptical. I'll probably end up holding my nose and keep him. This hasn't been a fun summer.

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A source informed tells me that while talks with #Cowboys RB Ezekiel Elliott continued late Sunday the deal is still “not close”. When I asked what’s holding it up the answer was the same as last month “everything”.

 

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1 hour ago, Faust said:

 

 

the reporting on this particular situation has been one of the crazier. i can't remember how many times they said a deal was coming or close. 

this one was funny though that the Cowboys are now frustrated with the situation. what did they think would happen? all of a sudden Zeke would just say he was joking the whole time?

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17 minutes ago, modogg said:

the reporting on this particular situation has been one of the crazier. i can't remember how many times they said a deal was coming or close. 

this one was funny though that the Cowboys are now frustrated with the situation. what did they think would happen? all of a sudden Zeke would just say he was joking the whole time?

Obviously they thought he would be more flexible.

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Send him the 5 day letter. 

Make him choose between signing the deal offered and sitting out all season

Zeke... If you want max money you should wait until you have max leverage. If they send a 5 day letter you have no choice.  The only reason they don't is to avoid spoiling good faith for a long term deal.  The Cowboys could keep you — or make you sit out — for 4 years (this, next, 2x franchise) before you get to FA. 

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8 minutes ago, leftcoastguy7 said:

Even if he signed today, are you comfortable starting him Week 1? I can't believe the Cowboys would give him a full load considering the time he's had off. He probably has a lot of rust to shake off also. 

Seriously?  He's not injured.   There are four other pro bowlers on the team I can name that have played zero in preseason and have practised very little that are set to play. He could sign on Saturday and still get a full load on Sunday. 

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15 minutes ago, leftcoastguy7 said:

Even if he signed today, are you comfortable starting him Week 1? I can't believe the Cowboys would give him a full load considering the time he's had off. He probably has a lot of rust to shake off also. 

Normally I would be in this camp but in 2017 he had almost 30 touches and 130 yards in his first game back from suspension. I don't think he needs time to get back to football shape. 

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Only a matter of time before he does something stupid again.  He is too leaky a vessel to hold the hopes of a franchise, in my opinion.  Not a guy to whom one gives guarantees.  he is a guy from whom you protect yourself.

The sad thing is many teams have these guys.  It is only once they are rejected by their team that they learn their lesson and then clean up their act and effort for their next team.  a frustrating fact of life.  If you keep them they screw you, if you let them go they flourish, maybe.

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1 hour ago, modogg said:

the reporting on this particular situation has been one of the crazier. i can't remember how many times they said a deal was coming or close. 

this one was funny though that the Cowboys are now frustrated with the situation. what did they think would happen? all of a sudden Zeke would just say he was joking the whole time?

When reading reports, you gotta look at it and try to figure out which side the source is, how realistic that side is being, and what kind of agenda they might have.

It seemed really unusual to me that Jerry Jones was out there blasting Elliot and suddenly there were reports that a deal was almost done. In retrospect, that reeks of the Cowboys either being naive to reality or leaking it to try to pressure Elliot into getting a deal done. After Jones came out and basically slammed Zeke, if a deal was getting done, it was only because the Cowboys were throwing the bank vault open. And if that were the case and Zeke was suddenly happy to sign, we would have also heard reports about just how much money he was going to make (because agents always want that info out ASAP including all the phony money making the deal look bigger than it is).

Not hearing anything about the $ probably should have been a good indicator that a deal really isn't as close as reported.

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Pollard's adp should skyrocket in drafts over the next three days.  I nabbed him last week at 9.6 (elliott owner) but dont own elliott in a keeper for tomorrow.  Any thoughts on where an elliott owner or no-owner will need to pull the trigger for the rest of the week?

 

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People seriously think he could just walk in off the street and play this Sunday?  I’d say there is zero chance of that.  He hasn’t taken a single snap since January.  

Week 2 at the earliest.  

Pollard owners getting at least one week of RB1 production.  Glad I’m not playing against him.  He’s going to light up the Giants.  

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5 minutes ago, VikingFrog said:

So is Gordon on yahoo. I’m not sure what it truly means.

I know this because the guy in my league drafted both Zeke at 3 and Gordon at 22. 

Ooof. Remind me not to go skydiving with this guy if there are questionable chutes around.

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5 minutes ago, zoonation said:

People seriously think he could just walk in off the street and play this Sunday?  I’d say there is zero chance of that.  He hasn’t taken a single snap since January.  

Week 2 at the earliest.  

Pollard owners getting at least one week of RB1 production.  Glad I’m not playing against him.  He’s going to light up the Giants.  

If he signs today?  Of course he could play.  If he signs on Saturday?  Then they likely don’t suit him up.

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1 minute ago, kylechoffman said:

Thanks.  I guess technically that’s an “injury report” (ESPN’s), but it’s not anything close to the official NFL injury report. The official NFL injury report isnt released until later in the week.  So of course ESPN status would say OUT.  He’s not in camp.  As of today, he’s OUT for next week.  Sure. But just so we’re clear, he’s not been ruled out by anyone.

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2 minutes ago, SayWhat? said:

Thanks.  I guess technically that’s an “injury report” (ESPN’s), but it’s not anything close to the official NFL injury report. The official NFL injury report isnt released until later in the week.  So of course ESPN status would say OUT.  He’s not in camp.  As of today, he’s OUT for next week.  Sure. But just so we’re clear, he’s not been ruled out by anyone.

Yep its not on NFL (yet)

 

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59 minutes ago, Wise Old Owl said:

Normally I would be in this camp but in 2017 he had almost 30 touches and 130 yards in his first game back from suspension. I don't think he needs time to get back to football shape. 

He was suspended midseason in 2017 so he was in tip top shape when those 6 weeks started.  We have no idea what kind of shape he is in right now.  He maybe hasn't done much since January.  The Cowboys have 3 easy games to start the year.  They probably aren't going to give him a heavy load.

 

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Just now, Don Hutson said:

He was suspended midseason in 2017 so he was in tip top shape when those 6 weeks started.  We have no idea what kind of shape he is in right now.  He maybe hasn't done much since January.  The Cowboys have 3 easy games to start the year.  They probably aren't going to give him a heavy load.

 

If you think a running back in his prime seeking the leagues best contract for his position “hasn’t done much since January” then you don’t understand this game.

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12 minutes ago, SayWhat? said:

Thanks.  I guess technically that’s an “injury report” (ESPN’s), but it’s not anything close to the official NFL injury report. The official NFL injury report isnt released until later in the week.  So of course ESPN status would say OUT.  He’s not in camp.  As of today, he’s OUT for next week.  Sure. But just so we’re clear, he’s not been ruled out by anyone.

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11 minutes ago, VikingFrog said:

If you think a running back in his prime seeking the leagues best contract for his position “hasn’t done much since January” then you don’t understand this game.

He's been hanging out in Cabo. He's going t ok be rusty when he comes back. 

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25 minutes ago, zoonation said:

He’s not playing Sunday people.  Make plans.  

At this point, I have to agree. They MIGHT'VE caved without Pollard, but he gives them a cushion.

The bottom line is the Cowboys have a bunch of good players to pay & the pie is only so big. It could get ugly if Zeke really wants to push this.

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1 hour ago, Don Hutson said:

He was suspended midseason in 2017 so he was in tip top shape when those 6 weeks started.  We have no idea what kind of shape he is in right now.  He maybe hasn't done much since January.  The Cowboys have 3 easy games to start the year.  They probably aren't going to give him a heavy load.

 

:lmao: he attended all the OTAs in May and June. He went to Cabo to work out on his own instead of training camp, not to party and eat chimmichangas. His in top form right now. 

ETA: And by on his own I mean with some of the best trainers and hall of fame athletes. 

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1 hour ago, tonydead said:

:lmao: he attended all the OTAs in May and June. He went to Cabo to work out on his own instead of training camp, not to party and eat chimmichangas. His in top form right now. 

ETA: And by on his own I mean with some of the best trainers and hall of fame athletes. 

OTAs consist of 10 days of practice.  That's not much in 8 months.  We have no idea what he is doing in Cabo.  The fact that his buddy Marshall Faulk says he is working out with him means little.  The fact that he has posted a few photos on Twitter of him working out means little.  Lots of superstar athletes let themselves get out of shape when they aren't in a structured environment but they claim to be working out intensely the entire time.  We do know that he Zeke likes to party and that he has often shown bad judgement in the past.  At best he will be rusty.  At worst he will be in bad shape.  Proof is in the pudding, not social media posts or the opinions of fanboys on fantasy football message boards.

 

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I passed on zeke at 1.10 last night for Beckham in a league that skews slightly to WR.  I was shocked he was there but I should have better prepared for it.  I have some buyers remorse passing on him but my main misgiving is it feels like we often see guys hold out or miss suspension time and come out and overdo it and get hurt

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