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50 minutes ago, Andy Dufresne said:

I have a theory that says that any running back not named Adrian Peterson has a peak value of no more than five years, and closer to four. The game is just too violent for anyone's physiology to last longer than that.

as much as I'd like to disagree I think you are right on.

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You should be banned for six weeks!!!                         I’M NOT KIDDING!!!!!!!!   TEX

Just enough time for Judge Crotty to pull a monster trade in his 14 team IDP keeper league.

2 hours ago, Andy Dufresne said:

I have a theory that says that any running back not named Adrian Peterson has a peak value of no more than five years, and closer to four. The game is just too violent for anyone's physiology to last longer than that.

That is part of the never pay RBs 2nd contracts idea. You are paying for what they did, not what they'll do. I think its especially true of your more classic RBs, like Zeke, Gurley, Gordon etc. 

The only RBs who should get 2nd contracts in my eyes, are the difference making receivers, CMC, Kamara, Ekeler, guys like that who can contribute 80+ catches, and more importantly, can make those catches downfield, against DBs, and not just checkdowns against zones or LBs.

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1 hour ago, STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:

Even as a defense Zeke, I agree with this. I still think Zeke looks fine, but he doesn’t look as good as he did his first two years.

Depending on what you mean by “fine,” I disagree. He looks like an average RB at best. I understand that a lot of his value comes from being able to handle a lot of touches - and I doubt Pollard could handle 20 touches a game - but the offense is better when Pollard is on the field. Zeke has no burst, he takes too long to reach top speed - and isn’t fast when he gets there. He can’t make guys miss anymore and the power is fading, too. Now he’s fumbling and missing holes. He’s done being an above average RB until or unless he transforms his body. I don’t think he has the discipline to do that.

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59 minutes ago, travdogg said:

That is part of the never pay RBs 2nd contracts idea. You are paying for what they did, not what they'll do. I think its especially true of your more classic RBs, like Zeke, Gurley, Gordon etc. 

The only RBs who should get 2nd contracts in my eyes, are the difference making receivers, CMC, Kamara, Ekeler, guys like that who can contribute 80+ catches, and more importantly, can make those catches downfield, against DBs, and not just checkdowns against zones or LBs.

aka players who are hybrid RB/WRs. 

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Maybe not the right thread for this, but the Cowboys coaching staff was killing me last night.  There were far too many gadget plays:  reverses, double reverses, wildcat with the QB splitting out wide, etc.  Seems like they decided to throw all kinds of 🙂 at the wall and hope some stuck.  

If they had that little faith in that QB, just go straight wildcat: zeke and pollard in the backfield, one of the receivers at the other RB spot, and try to beat them that way.  But the "here's another play we found in Coach Klein's green notebook, let's try this!" and "remember the annexation of puerto rico play that kid from little giants used?  That was genius, let's throw that in there," stuff was friggin' nuts, IMO. 

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24 minutes ago, foxco said:

Seems fair, Kelce may be worth more going forward. 

I'd take that deal right now.

As it is, only offers I've seen are for way too little.  Only real play is to hold onto him and hope his volume leads to some FF points.

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8 minutes ago, Bayhawks said:

Maybe not the right thread for this, but the Cowboys coaching staff was killing me last night.  There were far too many gadget plays:  reverses, double reverses, wildcat with the QB splitting out wide, etc.  Seems like they decided to throw all kinds of 🙂 at the wall and hope some stuck.  

If they had that little faith in that QB, just go straight wildcat: zeke and pollard in the backfield, one of the receivers at the other RB spot, and try to beat them that way.  But the "here's another play we found in Coach Klein's green notebook, let's try this!" and "remember the annexation of puerto rico play that kid from little giants used?  That was genius, let's throw that in there," stuff was friggin' nuts, IMO. 

It was the very definition of going East-West, their trick plays. The Eagles caught on. The running off-tackle gambit was, as Collinsworth pointed out, their best trick. 

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On 11/2/2020 at 1:24 PM, Wrigley said:

Zeke was just traded straight up for Kelce in my 12 team redraft 

In my 10 team redraft, I traded Zeke for K. Allen

I still have Conner, Edmonds, Swift, R. Jones and J. Jackson left. 

What do you think? 

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7 minutes ago, pantherclub said:

I traded Zeke for Dionte Johnson and Mosteert yesterday.  It was the best deal I could get.  12 team redraft big money league

If Mosert comes back healthy that's a good trade. 

My league doesn't trade much so I was happy to get mine done. Owners are afraid of getting burned. 

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Cowboys RB Ezekiel Elliott (hamstring) did rehab work during individual drills at Thursday's practice. 

Elliott was limited during Wednesday's practice with the hamstring issue. Though he's still on track to play this week against Pittsburgh, a Friday downgrade could mean a big workload for Tony Pollard this week against the Steelers. Elliott should not be considered a fantasy RB1 in the current iteration of the Dallas offense. He's averaged 3.7 yards per carry over the team's past three games while averaging 10.1 PPR points per contest. 

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Tony Pollard

SOURCE: Calvin Watkins on Twitter 

Nov 5, 2020, 1:06 PM ET

 

 

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10 hours ago, Charlie Harper said:

Where do you guys view Zeke compared to someone like Lindsay? 

I'm thinking Zeke wil be good for 7 pts per game, but no ceiling anymore. Does Dalton really change things? Lindsay could at least pop off once in awhile. 

I get the frustration and disappointment, but Zeke is still quite a bit ahead of Lindsay in my opinion. Even against the Steelers this week, let alone for the ROS.

Dalton will help quite a bit. Competent, but nothing special, beats awful. Its just a far cry from the really good that Dak was.

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Reading this thread helped validate what I thought I had seen over the last several games in Zeke’s play.  Kind of reminds me of how David Johnson looked last season after he was initially injured.  Not saying it’s an injury just saying the drop in play and more so production is reminiscent.  As some have said, just not the same burst he used to have.  I also like and agree with the RB usage theory floated earlier.  Well said.

I posted this in the dynasty trade thread but figured I’d share here for info:

12 team Superflex PPR TE Premium

My team is in 5th but I am very weak at QB with only Matt Ryan, Darnold, Fitzpatrick and Rypien.

 

I gave:  Zeke and a 2022 2nd

I got: Swift and a (likely top 5 or better) 2021 1st 

Not convinced Zeke and Swift's value is all that different now to end of year, so hoping Swift keeps progressing and this 1st lets me hopefully target a QB in next year's draft.

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14 hours ago, JetMaxx said:

Dumped him him this year at the draft for a 1&2. Sensed this was coming, only a matter of time. 

You sensed Dak getting his leg broke?

Because in the 5 games Dak played Elliott had 28,24,28, 23 and 24 in ppr

16 in a terrible loss to Ari

🤷‍♂️

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Cowboys RB Ezekiel Elliott (hamstring) is listed as questionable for Week 9 against the Steelers. 

Cowboys OC Kellen Moore said it's a "wait-and-see thing" when asked about Elliott's potential workload against Pittsburgh. Limited in practice throughout the week after tweaking the hamstring late in Week 8's loss to the Eagles, Elliott has puts fantasy managers in a tough spot. It's not often that a first round pick should be treated as a RB3 option, but that's exactly what fantasy players should do in Week 9. Tony Pollard would become an intriguing start if Zeke sits. Pollard should be rostered in all formats. 

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Tony Pollard

SOURCE: Michael Gehlken on Twitter 

Nov 6, 2020, 4:44 PM ET

 

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8 minutes ago, Concept Coop said:

Dynasty or redraft? 

That is a big distinction. Dynasty rejection I can totally see. Redraft, not so much. But to each their own...

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16 hours ago, Cowboysfan8 said:

You sensed Dak getting his leg broke?

Because in the 5 games Dak played Elliott had 28,24,28, 23 and 24 in ppr

16 in a terrible loss to Ari

🤷‍♂️

Buy low time, people see what they want to see and make up stories to fit their narrative. This year is wasted, but hopefully Dak is back next year and the o'line is much healthier. Unfortunately I don't see McCarthy going anywhere until after next year though so temper expectations.

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1 hour ago, Buckna said:

Buy low time, people see what they want to see and make up stories to fit their narrative. This year is wasted, but hopefully Dak is back next year and the o'line is much healthier. Unfortunately I don't see McCarthy going anywhere until after next year though so temper expectations.

Bingo 

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6 hours ago, FGITLOTR said:

I agree the offense will be better next year with Dak and the offensive line back in place, but Zeke, for the most part, has looked pretty pedestrian to me and is clearly starting to wear down 

He looked good to me earlier in the season. 

Clearly has a hammy issue now which is going to make guys look slower. 

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1 hour ago, 3 hour lunch said:

Curious of any other deals for him recently. He’s only 25 but doesn’t look the same. 

I have him rostered in a salary-cap, keeper league.  Based on his salary and performance this year, he is not an attractive keeper option.  That being said, he is a starting RB who gets the majority of his team's RB work. 

Prior to last week, I offered him to another in my league who is strong at WR and weak at RB, and was sitting in the 1st spot OUT of the playoffs (1 game back).

Other owner has Hill, M Thomas, C. Ridley, T Higgins, D Parker, and J Crowder at WR (start 2 RBs and 2 WRs, plus 2 flex each week).  He has Breida, Fournette, Hines, and J Kelley at RB (he lost Barkley earlier this year, lost then traded away Ekeler, and currently has David Johnson on IR).

Last Sunday was our trade deadline and he has 6 viable starting WR options but just 2 RB2's (Breida & Fournette) and 2 RBBC guys (Hines & Kelley) at RB.

I offered Zeke and Duke Johnson for T. Hill.  Keep in mind Duke was being viewed as a hot RB option last week, once David Johnson went on IR.

He replied almost instantly and said he had no interest in Zeke.  Didn't even offer one of his other WRs (that he can't start); just said no.

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1 hour ago, Bayhawks said:

I have him rostered in a salary-cap, keeper league.  Based on his salary and performance this year, he is not an attractive keeper option.  That being said, he is a starting RB who gets the majority of his team's RB work. 

Prior to last week, I offered him to another in my league who is strong at WR and weak at RB, and was sitting in the 1st spot OUT of the playoffs (1 game back).

Other owner has Hill, M Thomas, C. Ridley, T Higgins, D Parker, and J Crowder at WR (start 2 RBs and 2 WRs, plus 2 flex each week).  He has Breida, Fournette, Hines, and J Kelley at RB (he lost Barkley earlier this year, lost then traded away Ekeler, and currently has David Johnson on IR).

Last Sunday was our trade deadline and he has 6 viable starting WR options but just 2 RB2's (Breida & Fournette) and 2 RBBC guys (Hines & Kelley) at RB.

I offered Zeke and Duke Johnson for T. Hill.  Keep in mind Duke was being viewed as a hot RB option last week, once David Johnson went on IR.

He replied almost instantly and said he had no interest in Zeke.  Didn't even offer one of his other WRs (that he can't start); just said no.

Geez, what a fall from grace. I was thinking more in terms of dynasty. I was offered Zeke for McLaurin and a 1st today so was just curious. I’m not a top contender so I’ll probably pass but was just curious to see what the going rate for him is. His numbers were still ok with Dak, and there’s so few bell cows out there. 

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I think I would have jumped at the deal Bayhawks offered unless I am missing some detail like contract years or something.

I would likely turn down the offer 3 hour lunch had although its not unreasonable. That is actually close I think. I would want at least that to part with Elliot.

Currently Elliot is RB 6 in fantasy PPR scoring. He has been a top 10 RB every season he has been in the league. His efficiency stats are down this year but I think that is more the offensive line and less of a throwing threat without Dak as the main reasons for that.

He has been a top 10 RB in fantasy every season so far for his career. He has at least one more in him after this if he stays healthy, and looking at his draft position along with him being a 21 year old RB entering the league, he actually has 3 more seasons of useful productivity left after this season although there may be some decline in performance 2022 or 2023.

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1 hour ago, Biabreakable said:

I think I would have jumped at the deal Bayhawks offered unless I am missing some detail like contract years or something.

I would likely turn down the offer 3 hour lunch had although its not unreasonable. That is actually close I think. I would want at least that to part with Elliot.

Currently Elliot is RB 6 in fantasy PPR scoring. He has been a top 10 RB every season he has been in the league. His efficiency stats are down this year but I think that is more the offensive line and less of a throwing threat without Dak as the main reasons for that.

He has been a top 10 RB in fantasy every season so far for his career. He has at least one more in him after this if he stays healthy, and looking at his draft position along with him being a 21 year old RB entering the league, he actually has 3 more seasons of useful productivity left after this season although there may be some decline in performance 2022 or 2023.

Not really any contract issues.  Both Zeke & Hill's contracts make them unlikely to be kept.  Duke wouldn't be a keeper b/c of value/performance.

Other owner just wasn't interested in Zeke.  Didn't want to counter with a lesser WR for Zeke; just no interest.  In light of full disclosure, I wouldn't have traded Zeke for any of the other WRs, except Thomas, but he had just acquired Thomas & I doubt he'd have traded him for Zeke either.

 

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58 minutes ago, Biabreakable said:

Well you have me thinking buying Elliot right now might be worth a shot.

I roster him. Make me an offer. (That's my mindset, frankly.)

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