FreeBaGeL 8,826 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, Andy Dufresne said: I'd be interested in seeing how that data was interpreted because that just seems absurd on its face. I'd start with "what was the threshold" and then ask "is that from game to game or year to year"? For the second question I could buy the conclusion for game to game but not year to year. Even just anecdotally, virtually all the players that had really long careers were high workhorse guys. Martin, Emmitt, Peterson, Gore, Bus. Meanwhile there were lots of guys with lower workloads or late starts like Charles and Westbrook that people pontificated would be able to stretch out their careers longer because of it, but they were toast before they hit 30. Edited November 21, 2020 by FreeBaGeL Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FGITLOTR 343 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, FreeBaGeL said: I think that is the hamstring more than anything. Pollard wasn't getting meaningful work until Zeke picked up the hamstring injury and looked bad. IMO, Zeke hasn’t looked good the entire year. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cowboysfan8 7,626 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 8 hours ago, FGITLOTR said: Exactly! He looks slow, unable to break the first tackle and has put the ball on the carpet at an alarming rate. Despite no serious injuries, he has major tread on those tires and the heavy workload has taken its toll. Say what you want, but Pollard looks substantially quicker and more elusive. I know they have big invested in Zeke, but if they want to put a better product on the field, this would become a timeshare and Pollard would at least be featured in a passing down role. If I remember correctly, Bloom had Pollard on his buy low list a few weeks back. In my opinion, now is the time to buy low on Pollard in dynasty leagues. Did you find that he slowed down and can’t break a tackle at the same time Daks leg got snapped? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FGITLOTR 343 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Cowboysfan8 said: Did you find that he slowed down and can’t break a tackle at the same time Daks leg got snapped? No, but I appreciate the question. Let me help you out here: Zeke’s decline actually started last year, not this season. Despite great grades from both Pro Football Focus/Football Outsiders last season, indicating the Cowboys' line can still be considered very good, Zeke posted a career-low in yards per game. His longest run the past 3 years is 38 yards. It’s abundantly clear that he lacks the burst we were accustomed to seeing at Ohio Stare and in his rookie year. At this point in his career, Zeke is a good RB, but certainly not elite. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Biabreakable 5,097 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 I am not sure the 1800 carry threshold is worth looking at further since the sample size is going to include some of the best RB in NFL history. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SayWhat? 4,088 Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 Worry more about holding onto the ball, and less on your nose ring game. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ffmail4me 776 Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 Yep, he's on my bench in one of my PPR leagues. Something is just not right with Mr. Ewok. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
turkishkamel 70 Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 Lost two more o lineman today too, including Zach Martin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Faust 5,019 Posted November 27, 2020 Author Share Posted November 27, 2020 Quote Ezekiel Elliott rushed 10 times for 32 yards in the Cowboys' Week 12 loss to Washington. Elliott not only got nothing going on the ground, but he also lost another fumble while running between the tackles. It's been a constant issue for the $90 million back in 2020, and there's simply no excuse for why it's happening. Elliott is also losing passing-down snaps to Tony Pollard, who has been more explosive than Zeke although it's on less work. With the Cowboys losing both starting tackles on Thanksgiving, it's likely that Zeke struggles to post RB1-level production in fantasy circles. He'll be a boom-bust RB2 against the Ravens in Week 13. Nov 26, 2020, 8:07 PM ET Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FGITLOTR 343 Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 https://twitter.com/marcus_mosher/status/1332104379902681088?s=21 Marcus is spot on! I was also glad to hear Aikman acknowledge that Zeke doesn’t have that burst anymore (pre hammy issue). Zeke with yet another fumble and putrid performance (6 fumbles in his last 10 games 😳). They still have 90 mil guaranteed left on his hideous deal, which will be a noose around the their neck the next two years. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothawk 116 Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 Tried to move him in dynasty. Feels like I'm stuck with his contract too. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FGITLOTR 343 Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 3 hours ago, scothawk said: Tried to move him in dynasty. Feels like I'm stuck with his contract too. Yeah, people are definitely starting to shy away from him. Hopefully he turns it around next year, but I doubt it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Max55 56 Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 (edited) 53 minutes ago, FGITLOTR said: Yeah, people are definitely starting to shy away from him. Hopefully he turns it around next year, but I doubt it. I don’t know. I would def say his value is at an all-time low. A healthy O Line and Dak back under center might do wonders for him. I would also guess his motivation right now couldn’t be lower. I mean what is playing for right now? Edited November 27, 2020 by Max55 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Judge Smails 3,615 Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 I’m skeptical. Don’t see any difference between him and Pollard 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MAC_32 12,082 Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 Occam's razor - he isn't healthy, his team sucks, and his offense is injured. If you want to jump ship, fine, but I think you have to wait til spring. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kevrunner 445 Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Judge Smails said: I’m skeptical. Don’t see any difference between him and Pollard Pollard holds onto the ball better, that’s for sure. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Faust 5,019 Posted November 28, 2020 Author Share Posted November 28, 2020 Ezekiel Elliott has become the Cowboys’ unsolvable problem Quote Link to post Share on other sites
habsfan 421 Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 It was never a question of if they would regret this contract. It was always a question of when. I never though it would be this quickly... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Faust 5,019 Posted December 9, 2020 Author Share Posted December 9, 2020 Quote Ezekiel Elliott rushed 18 times for 77 yards and caught 4-of-6 targets for 18 yards in the Cowboys' Week 13 loss to the Ravens. Elliott showed a little more burst than normal early in the contest but was routinely stuffed in short-yardage situations. At one point, Dallas attempted three-straight carries at the goal-line. All of them went nowhere. Elliott hasn't been anywhere near good enough as a pure runner to re-enter the RB1 conversation alongside his below-average offensive line and quarterback. His big workload is more than enough to secure a volume-based RB2 ranking down the stretch, however. Elliott could have his best game post-Dak Prescott in Week 14 against the Bengals. Dec 8, 2020, 11:30 PM ET Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Faust 5,019 Posted December 10, 2020 Author Share Posted December 10, 2020 Quote Ezekiel Elliott was listed as limited for Wednesday with a calf issue. We believe this is the first time that "calf" has popped up next to Elliott's name this season. To clarify, the Cowboys did not practice on Wednesday, but this report from the team is instead just an estimation. Elliott is fully expected to play in Week 14 in a smash spot against the Bengals. Dec 9, 2020, 8:45 PM ET Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ack88 422 Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 On 11/27/2020 at 1:00 PM, scothawk said: Tried to move him in dynasty. Feels like I'm stuck with his contract too. What were some of the parameters discussed? I like Zeke as a buy low. He’s still a first round pick in redraft next year. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FGITLOTR 343 Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 6 hours ago, Faust said: Word is he won’t practice much this week and they hope he can play on Sunday. The injuries are starting to pile up and they should consider shutting him down for the last game or two. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothawk 116 Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 18 hours ago, Ack88 said: What were some of the parameters discussed? I like Zeke as a buy low. He’s still a first round pick in redraft next year. Literally silence. No firm offers received. Shot a couple out looking for a qb but no reply. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobbler1 1,097 Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 (edited) Can he be had for a first? Late first Edited December 10, 2020 by Cobbler1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ILUVBEER99 1,369 Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 Things fell apart when Dak went down. Elliott will be fine when Dak returns. in 5 games with Dak he had 537 total yards and 6 TD’s. He’s still only 25. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Max55 56 Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 20 minutes ago, ILUVBEER99 said: Things fell apart when Dak went down. Elliott will be fine when Dak returns. in 5 games with Dak he had 537 total yards and 6 TD’s. He’s still only 25. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobbler1 1,097 Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 1 hour ago, ILUVBEER99 said: Things fell apart when Dak went down. Elliott will be fine when Dak returns. in 5 games with Dak he had 537 total yards and 6 TD’s. He’s still only 25. Yup. Trying to buy this offseason. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
whole-show 291 Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 Questionable for Sunday but expected to play per Jon Machota Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Faust 5,019 Posted December 11, 2020 Author Share Posted December 11, 2020 Rotoworld: Quote Ezekiel Elliott (calf) is questionable for Week 14 against the Bengals. Elliott was previously questionable following a limited session ahead of Dallas' matchup against Pittsburgh in Week 9 and proceeded to handle 20-of-30 backfield touches including a team-high 18 carries in that one. In other words, Elliott is fully expected to play and handle the lion's share of touches ahead of Tony Pollard. Zeke, as always, is a touch-based RB2 that could be avoided if it weren't 2020. SOURCE: Jon Machota on Twitter Dec 11, 2020, 3:29 PM ET Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wise Old Owl 325 Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 On 12/10/2020 at 6:37 PM, ILUVBEER99 said: Things fell apart when Dak went down. Elliott will be fine when Dak returns. in 5 games with Dak he had 537 total yards and 6 TD’s. He’s still only 25. I think its also worth pointing out, 5 of his last 6 games have been against stout run defenses. Bal Pit Phi and Was x 2. Pretty rough stretch. The other game, Min, he had a good game. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
turkishkamel 70 Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 On 12/10/2020 at 5:37 PM, ILUVBEER99 said: Things fell apart when Dak went down. Elliott will be fine when Dak returns. in 5 games with Dak he had 537 total yards and 6 TD’s. He’s still only 25. Dak along with Tyron Smith, Zack Martin, La'el Collins, and a slew of other O lineman. I think we're up to 17 different starting line combos this year. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bayhawks 2,232 Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, turkishkamel said: Dak along with Tyron Smith, Zack Martin, La'el Collins, and a slew of other O lineman.I think we're up to 17 different starting line combos this year. And when you consider Dallas has only played 12 games, that’s saying something. Edited December 12, 2020 by Bayhawks 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Teezee 47 Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 I would pick up Pollard if you can. Zeke has a calf and a hammy. He may not make it out of the CIN game, I don't think they push it. I wouldn't be surprised if they shut him down next week. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bobtender 4 Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 8 hours ago, Teezee said: I would pick up Pollard if you can. Zeke has a calf and a hammy. He may not make it out of the CIN game, I don't think they push it. I wouldn't be surprised if they shut him down next week. This is my situation... trying to decided which one to start. Leaning Pollard right now 4.5 before kickoff. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Twenty-Four Eighty-Four 677 Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 8 hours ago, Teezee said: I would pick up Pollard if you can. Zeke has a calf and a hammy. He may not make it out of the CIN game, I don't think they push it. I wouldn't be surprised if they shut him down next week. I don't own Zeke but still may pick up Pollard before today's games. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bobtender 4 Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 Adam Schefter just reported Zeke will have no limitations today. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ffmail4me 776 Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 19 minutes ago, Bobtender said: Adam Schefter just reported Zeke will have no limitations today. Still makes me nervous.,.would you guys start him over Taylor or Ron Jones? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
smbkrypt24 367 Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 1 minute ago, ffmail4me said: Still makes me nervous.,.would you guys start him over Taylor or Ron Jones? I like Taylor this week, but don't think I could sit Elliott. Not sure this helps, but I am starting Elliott over Diontae Johnson. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothawk 116 Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 53 minutes ago, Bobtender said: Adam Schefter just reported Zeke will have no limitations today. Apart from his OL that is. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bizkliz 24 Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 Zeke being in the Dallas Cowboys week 14 starting lineup means he is in my fantasy football week 14 starting lineup. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
whole-show 291 Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 Active week 14 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Faust 5,019 Posted December 13, 2020 Author Share Posted December 13, 2020 Quote Ezekiel Elliott (calf) is active for Week 14 against the Bengals. Zeke was never in real danger and gets a rare RB1 week in a soft matchup against a Bengals defense allowing a crisp 5.0 YPC to running backs. Inactive for Dallas are QB Ben DiNucci, WR Malik Turner, CB Anthony Brown, S Donovan Wilson, DE Bradlee Anae, OLB Luke Gifford, and DT Eli Ankou. Dec 13, 2020, 11:46 AM ET Quote Link to post Share on other sites
conlilnew 400 Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 Set up for a nice day today my ###. Pollard outscored him. Knew I should have left him on the pine today. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
turkishkamel 70 Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 On 12/12/2020 at 1:36 PM, Bayhawks said: And when you consider Dallas has only played 12 games, that’s saying something. Haha, starting was the wrong word. Still, 9 line combos through first 8 games. 15 through 11 games. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Faust 5,019 Posted December 16, 2020 Author Share Posted December 16, 2020 Quote Ezekiel Elliott (calf) was limited at Wednesday's practice. Coach Mike McCarthy said Elliott's didn't have any setbacks in Sunday's win over the Bengals. The Cowboys got Tony Pollard (13 touches) more involved last week with Elliott at less than 100 percent. Elliott's practice reps will be monitored but he should continue to play in Week 15 against the 49ers. SOURCE: Dallas Morning News Dec 16, 2020, 12:26 PM ET Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Faust 5,019 Posted December 17, 2020 Author Share Posted December 17, 2020 Quote Ezekiel Elliott (calf) remained limited for Thursday's practice. To be clear, Elliott hasn't practiced with the team the past two days, instead staying off to the sidelines and being limited to resistance training ahead of Sunday's game. He's still expected to start and play, though it would not be shocking if Tony Pollard was again handed a high share of this backfield's touch count. Elliott remains a hold-your-nose RB2 if only for his (dwindling) touches as long as he's active. SOURCE: Todd Archer on Twitter Dec 17, 2020, 12:51 PM ET Quote Link to post Share on other sites
conlilnew 400 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 Just call it a season Zeke and give us guys who took a shot on Pollard a chance to see what he can do and a little hook up for the semi's. Why is this guy still running out there all gimpy anyway. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Faust 5,019 Posted December 18, 2020 Author Share Posted December 18, 2020 Quote Ezekiel Elliot (calf) is questionable for Week 15 against the 49ers. The team expected Elliott to play through his nagging calf injury. He didn't practice Wednesday or Thursday. We're awaiting his Friday practice status. Expect Elliott to continue losing snaps and touches to Tony Pollard, who has been Dallas' best back of late. Pollard could have flex consideration in deep leagues this week against the Niners. RELATED: Tony Pollard SOURCE: Michael Gehlken on Twitter Dec 18, 2020, 4:11 PM ET Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ffmail4me 776 Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 Benching Ewok for Dobbins this weekend. And then trading him as soon as I can find decent value for him.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shatner! 427 Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 RB options are razor thin at RB2. Picked up Jeff Wilson but now.wondering if Pollard may be the better gamble. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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