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RB Ezekiel Elliott, NE (1 Viewer)
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The General
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Let’s just say he was “dating” the women with the top. They spent time together after that incident.
Not sure about the fight.
I don’t know anything about this guy outside of this case and he’s a stud football player. Not a great guy? Maybe. But defending yourself in court doesn’t mean you are automatically a bad guy or you won’t grow as a person or whatever you are wanting from him here.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
It's an honest question. I'm not saying he IS innocent.......I'm saying IF he was, should he "man up?"
Would you? Why are you afraid to answer?
electric Ape
Footballguy
Your idea of "manning up" is a joke. When a man is treated unfairly he fights against itJuniorNB said:
Yes, the 2nd Circuit said as much. Their decision said that Goodell could make factual or legal errors in his ruling, but as long as he is acting within the CBA, the courts can't undo what he does. Since the 2nd is going to be the one to decide any appeals the NFLPA makes on Zeke's behalf, winning an appeal looks like a long shot.
Ha. I'm afraid. of nothing. If I was a young punk with a history of trouble and bad decisions, I would stop this charade and just admit my mistakes and show my team that I've matured and become less selfish. The guy beat up a woman. Ray Rice never played again. Elliott should take his six games, stop putting the Cowboys in limbo, and grow up and move forward with his life. He's no different than every other athlete who gets caught doing something they shouldn't. Deny deny deny. It all ends up the same. The PED guys who fail tests all end up serving a suspension for it. Brady served a suspension for deflategate. Greg Hardy served a suspension. They all appeal and deny because they are embarrassed and think it will tarnish their legacy. Dallas was a better team last year. And they should be better this year, as their stud players are not rookies anymore. But Elliott's season-long distraction is preventing them from doing so. Serve your six games and let Dallas start having Morris or McFadden run with the first team in practice. Then be back for the playoffs. The growing up can start right now.
The General
Footballguy
Not going to get into what kind of man he is or whatever.
He will be back for the playoffs, nothing is stopping the Cowboys from playing Morris and McFadden now and preparing for it. The team I think was caught off guard by the timing of the suspension and length.
If you asked his teammates I’m guessing they’d be in favor of him running through the entire appeals process.
I'm sure his teammates would show support for him. That's what teammates do. I also bet his teammates are hopping he grows up and takes anger management counseling and this is the last time they have to go through this.
The General
Footballguy
Well I disagree with your premise that his teammates want him to keep going with this. As of now, he'll return in week 15. He keeps putting this off with appeals, he's going to get to a point where he can't serve all six games this season. If he still has even one more game to serve, he will be ineligible for the playoffs. The NFC is wide open this year. Dallas has as good of a chance as anyone. Not having Elliott for the playoffs would lessen their chances a great deal.
theplayer11
Footballguy
so zeke's lawyers screwed up by filing too early..or this would not have been heard in NY..correct?
That didn't answer the question.
Here it is again. If Elliott is innocent (meaning, he never hit this woman), should he "man up" and do all of the things you just described? Admit a mistake that he didn't actually make?
The General
Footballguy
Missing the playoffs would be a deal breaker I think for him and the team but we will see. Every time they get to a new step of this we find out more.
Bottom line for me is the NFL needs to get out of this current system of suspending players for their conduct off the field. They suck at it. They aren’t equipped to do this.
No, they took their best shot. Legally, they can't file a suit until there's a reason to do so (the final decision has been made), but the NFL filed a suit in SDNY IMMEDIATELY after they issued their decision, (to have it upheld by the courts). The NFLPA would not have been able to file their suit elsewhere until they knew the decision, and by the time they knew the decision, the NFL suit would have already been filed & they would have still ended up in SDNY.
The Frankman
Footballguy
It's funny... but I said it before that the NFLPA should've went all in supporting Colin Kaepernick's lawsuit against the owners. One of the interesting side effects is that if they proved some form of owner collusion in his case, it would result in an immediate dissolution of the current CBA. Goddell would finally lose full discretionary power and would never get it back.
The General
Footballguy
I had heard that early and that how that could have come out of the Kaep situation. That would have been a mess.
I would guess that Goodell wouldn’t mind negotiating this power away in the next deal. He’ll get something for the owners and league out of it in return and also doesn’t have to deal with this crap.
If the Earth was flat, would you dare try to sail around it? If you've bought into some fantasy that this assault never happened at all, then of course you think he should appeal. And he never lifted the girl's shirt. And he never beat up some club DJ. He's actually a great guy.
I understand that this is a fantasy football board and for the most part, anyone interested in this thread is a Cowboy fan or an Elliott owner. So most want to believe this never happened. 25 points a week is hard to replace. But we all know this is a case of a punk who keeps making bad choices. The fact that there's no video gives him hope that someone might believe that he's a great guy and is totally innocent. We all know better than that.
The Frankman
Footballguy
I don't necessarily think that they suck at it. It's just that fans have a vested interest and hate to see their players missing games.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
zoonation
Footballguy
The General
Footballguy
The police didn’t press charges and the NFL’s own investigator found the accuser unreliable. I don’t know what happened there and I’ll guess you don’t either. Ugly situation certainly but I’ll defer to the police.
He was with the shirt girl after the flashing thing. I wouldn’t get too carried away with what happened there.
Not sure about a DJ fight. What details are there with that?
The General
Footballguy
Ray Rice, Tom Brady, Greg Hardy, this case were all handled really badly. They suck at this.
The General
Footballguy
They eventually got the majority of them right. Ray Rice was eventually turned into a good decision because of the video coming out. Unfortunately, there is rarely video. Which is why lying and denying becomes the go-to defense. This makes decision making difficult.
Wrigley
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Tommy Collins
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WheelsUp
Footballguy
Well, well, well...
I understand how she was able to render a 20 or so page explanation in 3 hours.
ProFootballTalkVerified account @ProFootballTalk 1m1 minute ago
The judge who resurrected Ezekiel Elliott's suspension is married to a partner at the NFL's lockout/CBA firm https://wp.me/p14QSB-armB
I understand how she was able to render a 20 or so page explanation in 3 hours.
ProFootballTalkVerified account @ProFootballTalk 1m1 minute ago
The judge who resurrected Ezekiel Elliott's suspension is married to a partner at the NFL's lockout/CBA firm https://wp.me/p14QSB-armB
The General
Footballguy
Tommy Collins
Footballguy
They got Ray Rice "right" after the video was released to the public and there was an outcry. Josh Brown was botched as well, until there was public outcry. Greg Hardy's case was a slam dunk. But this Zeke thing... where is the information on what he allegedly did?
Goodell heard the information. He didn't just flip a coin to make a decision. We didn't have the advantage of hearing what Goodell has heard. So our tendency is to believe what we want to believe. Goodell doesn't gain any advantage for his league/product by keeping it's stars on the sideline. Not sure what people think his agenda is other than to clean up the league.
The General
Footballguy
Greg Hardy got reduced to 2 games for all the crazy #### he did. That was handled really, really badly.
They suck at this.
The General
Footballguy
No he sucks at this, he gets these conclusions that have been off base then is forced to fight for it.
They are constantly over their skis in these situations.
I think there's definitely a trend to get tougher on the domestic violence stuff. And I applaud that. I agree with you on the fact that Hardy's penalty was too light. Hardy's case got thrown out because the victim failed to show up to the hearing. Many reports out there that she was bullied/threatened out of testifying. I think from that point on, Goodell stopped using the legal system as a basis for his penalties.
JaxBill
Footballguy
Personally, I'm in favor of a suspension but think they went a couple games too far. But this part of the story is crazy to me. I can understand that there are times you don't want to speak directly to the victim (too traumatic for victim/victim already bought out) but to not speak to your own investigator?
https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/10/31/why-ezekiel-elliotts-suspension-was-reinstated
The General
Footballguy
I have brought that up a few times. More examples of how the NFL/Goodell sucks at this.
I’m not looking to defend Zeke but the cops didn’t press charges. His behavior put the league in a bad light so they are going to come after him. There’s an argument there but how they got 6 games is anyone’s guess. There has to be a better way to do this.
The General
Footballguy
need2know
Footballguy
i thought the number 6 was what they have written is as the penalty for domestic violence. which they seem to think hes guilty of.
The General
Footballguy
The General
Footballguy
I’m going to go with no. This judge has to know her ### is covered here regardless of it looking bad.
Always a good idea to verify rotoworld blurbs. They sometimes spin things in very weird ways.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
I'd say probably not. Her husband didn't work on the CBA for the NFL, which is how it's being presented. He is an insurance lawyer for the firm who worked on the CBA for the NFL. There's (AFAIK) no real connection between he and the NFL. Furthermore, even if he had been directly involved with the NFL, it is still questionable as to whether that would/should have required Failla to recuse herself. The NFLPA would have to prove some sort of "foul play," which based on what we know as or right now, seems impossible.
Right, but even if they do so, they'd likely be unsuccessful. Then the judge who is hearing your case is the same person that you essentially called dishonest when you tried to force her to recuse herself. Not necessarily the smartest move.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Koya
Footballguy
FWIW, this was the "worst case scenario" that had me really stay away from Elliott (did try to deal for him once, but that was at beginning of the season).
At this point, the BEST case for competitive fantasy teams is that he sits out and you get to week 15 (either first week or your playoffs)... even that's risky, as you likely don't have him week 14 when most playoffs start, and he won't be there to help get you a bye if one is available.
To the real football at hand, it seems also that this has been tough on the cowboys... would it have been better for them to just focus on football, suck up the punishment and have Elliott sit the 6 games so they could then bring him back into the fold and build a coherent run for the playoffs?
Even had they gotten through the first couple weeks, then said ok, now it's time to sit, he would be back in the fold by now. Instead, until these past two weeks the guy looked very unfocused and was not especially productive, he finally gets things into gear, and now will be out of football until week 15.
Seems to be a worst case both fantasy wise and from the boys' perspective as well.
At this point, the BEST case for competitive fantasy teams is that he sits out and you get to week 15 (either first week or your playoffs)... even that's risky, as you likely don't have him week 14 when most playoffs start, and he won't be there to help get you a bye if one is available.
To the real football at hand, it seems also that this has been tough on the cowboys... would it have been better for them to just focus on football, suck up the punishment and have Elliott sit the 6 games so they could then bring him back into the fold and build a coherent run for the playoffs?
Even had they gotten through the first couple weeks, then said ok, now it's time to sit, he would be back in the fold by now. Instead, until these past two weeks the guy looked very unfocused and was not especially productive, he finally gets things into gear, and now will be out of football until week 15.
Seems to be a worst case both fantasy wise and from the boys' perspective as well.
