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I don't buy that. Williams struggled to beat out a garbage core of rbs on the giants. Dude can't pass block either. Gordon has been improving and the chargers are healthy. I'm all in on Gordon and won't hesitate to snatch him in the first after big 3 and McCoy are gone.
I pick # 9 in my 1/2 point PPR re-draft, and Gordon scares the hell out of me. If I go RB there, it is likely to be Freeman, not Melvin. And if go WR there, it will likely be Jordy (unless Evans falls).
Really? I would think the opposite, that in a PPR I'd be even more confident taking Gordon. Everyone said he couldn't catch a ball out of college, and last year ends up with a solid 41 catches averaging a first down (10.2 yards) on his 419 yards from them.
I think he caught so many balls because so many Chargers receivers were hurt. I just feel like the biggest selling point about Gordon this year is not so much his talent, but the fact that he has such a good "opportunity." Over the years, I feel like I have gotten burned more times than I care to mention, taking lesser quality players simply because they had a better opportunity.
His rookie year he had just as good, if not better opportunity. But he lost 90 carries to Branden Oliver and Donald Brown... Granted he was a rookie but he had every opportunity to run away with the job, literally.
If I am not mistaken, he has had at least two knee injuries. Maybe I am being a bit unfair to Melvin, but my gut (gradually expanding as I get older--LOL), tells me to stay away from him.
His meniscus tear was significant... not your typical tear. His microfracture surgery is the #1 reason why I do not think he will hold up long term.
Yes, he was a rookie who (a) missed 2 games to injury and (b) fumbled 6 times, which led to a short benching. Not surprising he "lost" 90 carries to others.
Gordon got hurt after just 3 carries in game 13 last season. Through week 12, Farrow had 20 carries and 1 reception, compared to 251 carries and 41 receptions for Gordon. Then, in Gordon's absence in games 13-15, Farrow had 40 carries and 12 receptions before he got hurt himself. The way you wrote this seems to imply that Farrow was a presence while Gordon was healthy, which is not true. Farrow is a JAG who I do not expect to make the Chargers' final roster this year.
Perhaps you can elaborate on what you are saying here. What 'web' says this? What does "getting hurt" mean here, having an injury he can play through, missing a game, missing multiple games, what?
I'm less worried about Farrow taking carries away from Gordon than I am a more healthy receiving corp taking TD's and receptions away from Gordon. Without the TD's he's a back that gets 3 point something yards per carry every year. You need a LOT of carries to justify being drafted in the 1st if you aren't scoring the dozen TD's to go with it.need2know said:
Nah, you and I both know it's foolish to guarantee that.
The what if game, not a fan of "what ifs." I'll let that sort itself out. Part of being a good fantasy owner is not letting things you cant control effect how you run a team.
Good post. Also, an upgraded line and a healthy receivers should open up some more running lanes and a higher ypc.
Probably. I threw it out there just because it supported my opinion, but I do give it zero weight
The internets... a basic google search would help I think.Just Win Baby said:
All good points. But here's the thing about Gordon. No one seems to like him so much for his actual talent and ability, as much as they like him for his opportunity. He may outscore Freeman this year (although I doubt it), but I don't think anyone would say he is more talented than him. Plus, I know it may not be "scientific", but I do believe that some guys (like Gordon) are just more injury-prone than others. If I am not mistaken, Freeman has missed only 1 game in his career. Just sayin'.
Very true, and I'll admit there certainly aren't many other RB's that can make the same claim.
But is he talented ? Or is he "just a guy" who has a good opportunity (until he gets hurt) ?
There are a lot of things to like about his opportunity, coaching staff, Ol, etc I am sure. He is a bell cow when there just aren't that many. He has a good chance at getting 40-50 receptions, which is huge for PPR. He is likely to get double digit TDs. All of which puts him in the top 5 discussion. I don't know how that's disingenuous. I thought I was being pretty realistic with my "if healthy" prediction...Just Win Baby said:
His ypc have been trending up, which is a good thing. But that was also before the second season ending knee injury in two years. At some point you have to wonder if there will be a cumulative effect in his lateral agility which has been his calling card thus far as a pro.
I love him! He is talented as heck, he did OK his rookie year and he showed why he was a TOp 15 pick in the NFL last year, you can knock whatever you want, scoring TDs is not a given. He didnt have a nose for it in year one, he sure has a nose for it now. He is still growing, imagine this kid in 2 years. He catches passes and can make some plays in open field with his one cut ability, which should do wonder with the zone scheme they will have now. He is Charles 2.0 in my eyes. The product of his ypc is kinda the product of his offense.
I think he's more talented than I expected when they drafted him. He has some real ability in open space as a receiver and I certainly didn't count on that. But that's also the reason I think his productivity in in jeapordy more than most realize IF the other SD receivers stay healthy.
Hey, tom telesco is that you?! I don't know anyone else that would describe 3.5 yards/carry, 641 yards rushing, and 0 TD's/4 fumbles as an "OK" year for a top-15 pick. That rookie year was an absolute train-wreck.
Rookie year being operative phrase, and yes...he did OK his rookie year.
Yeah, but again that OLine was not the greatest. So mediocre players could look way worse, like Farrow did. Hopefully better OLine this year with simpler blocking scheme for RBs.
Sure, the whole offense was suffering from injuries (what else is new with the Chargers), but where Gordon was able to pound inside and score TDs and catch the ball to make up for a run blocking line, Farrow couldn't. Also, Farrow lost a key fumble and it seemed like the Chargers didn't even want to give him the ball after that.
Yeah, Farrow is mediocre at best, Gordon is a stud in my eyes. He is my #4 RB in dyno and redraft, he can do things Farrow and most other RBs cant. .
I wouldn't go this far...
I am more concerned about his history of needing microfracture surgery. That is bad news for his longevity and life-expectancy as a starting NFL RB
Could not disagree more with this. His performance hurt the team.
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Four fumbles on 76 touches is terrible but PFR only shows two, which is also mediocre. Did he fumble on KR or PR?
Lot of talk about 2 years ago and over descriptive words like "ok." We should be really talking about moving forward with Gordon.
