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That's not what the standard contract says. The tolling is rounded to the nearest full season.
This is correct, not guaranteed, but the general assumption is that the Commissioner would reinstate him (at the team's request).
Melvin's leverage went to zero after the Austin Ekeler show last weekend. They are not giving him any offers whatsoever.
Disagree.
They aren't negotiating a contract any more. Why would they? He's under contract. Has to come back in 7 weeks. And they only have to pay him 1/2 his salary.
Yes, you are.
No, it doesn't. That isn't logical at all. The Chargers still have 2 more RBs they like who haven't even played yet (Pope and Newsome). Even if Ekeler or Jackson got hurt, it wouldn't provide Gordon with leverage.
I wonder if it is really bad advice. I mean if he gets hurt he loses a lot of guaranteed money I would think. So maybe sitting out is a rational decision...
I don’t think it changes anything in regards to paying Melvin but I do think it’s highly unlikely that they share that opinion.
Everything depends on his market next year. If he can't find a deal as good as what the Chargers were offering and he's throwing out $2M+ this year then it's terrible advice that he got.
True, but did any details of the Chargers come out, all I remember hearing was 10 M / year
Depends.
Laugh all you want. Gordon has never in his career displayed vision like Ekeler did on Sunday. Zero chance Gordon scores on that pass Ekeler took for a 55 yard TD.
Melvin Gordon, if you'll pardon me butting in, was never that great a back but for volume, it seemed to me. Ekeler and Jackson are doing just fine in his stead. That's a layman's outsider's two cents, and has nothing to do with traditionally siding with mgmt/player during labor negotiations. I usually side with mgmt in RB situations because the RBs are generally wrong about their own worth, fair or not.
What is the chance, on a per-game basis, that a starting running back will suffer an injury that affects his future earnings? ACL tears don't seem to have a long-term effect anymore. It would have to be a torn Achilles (and even that's not as bad as it once was) or a compound fracture or dislocated ankle or a life-changing concussion or something along those lines.
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Bo Jackson and Jahvid Best also had career-ending injuries. Plus there are many other guys who suffered major injuries, then made partial comebacks, only to be forced into retirement (Terrell Davis, Priest Holmes, Jamaal Charles).
Good call. Counting all of them gets us to six RBs (including Robert Edwards), just over halfway to the 10 I assumed in order to reach a 0.1% chance per game (and still well short of the 50 it would take to get to 0.5%).
I'm basing it on the following:
That seems steep.
I think this is a large part of what is going on and is really the only rational reason Gordon is going this far.[scooter] said:
I don’t doubt you believe that but it’s really based on nothing. How could anyone possibly know that?
You are correct. I do believe that. I had Ekeler last year. I watched. My own vision of the talent is all that I have. I cant predict an injury, but in my eye test, Gordon was definitely a better RB. If I can't trust my own analysis, I dont deserve to win. Most people regurgitate what they read. I might win that way if I get lucky...usually not in my experience. Just my thoughts. I'm just one more opinion on a message board, lol.
I agree with your overall idea, but it's more than just "career ending" injuries that he's taking into account here. It's also season ending ones, too. If he were to report today and play the next few games and have an ACL or similar injury in week 8 and miss the rest of the season - sure he'd still likely find work next year, but at no where near the guaranteed money that he'd receive if he goes into the offseason fully healthy and not recovering from something.
I don't see any reason to believe that Ekeler is less durable than Gordon.
Well, first of all, Gordon has only made it through a full season in 1 of 4 seasons to date, and we know he won't this season since he already missed a game. Ekeler played a full season in 2017 and missed 2 games last season.
Gordon has averaged 19.6 touches per game in his career. Ekeler just had 18 touches in week 1. I don't see a big difference.
Great article. I'm definitely rooting for the guy and he seems very likeable.
Well, it's all opinions isn't it? I have mine, and you have yours. Agree to disagree. I stated my thoughts. and I read the article.(which was great, btw) I dont think Ekeler will last with a large workload. I already stated earlier that this opinion was totally based on my own thoughts from watching film.
Full seasons = 16 games? If so, more than Zeke (the current highest paid RB) or Fournette (the 8th highest paid RB), and the same as Gurley (the 2nd highest paid RB) and Bell (the 3rd highest paid RB) and Freeman (the 5th highest paid RB) and Barkley (the 6th highest paid RB) and McKinnon (the 7th highest paid RB, currently on the IR).
Come on man. First off you’re including every game Melvin has played including his rookie year as he worked up to speed, the games he left early with injury, games he was being worked back in from injury, and all kinds of game scripts. You’re comparing that to a one game sample which happened to be a home game as a touchdown favorite that the Chargers led the whole time and went to OT. Ekeler had 15 touches in regulation (9 carries). Second I’m at least comparing Ekeler’s 3 down usage to Melvin’s and the difference is that Melvin gets way more carries. Melvin averaged 17.4 carries per game the past 3 years. I could trump that up even higher by going into that sample and removing games he left for injury/games he got less than his usual work as he worked back from injury but I really don’t need to. We only have 4 games as a starter to use for Ekeler but again he’s had 12, 15, (injured), 13, and 9 (12 if you want to think every game will go to OT). Gordon’s and Ekeler’s usage hasn’t been the same and probably won’t be so asking how many seasons Melvin has made it through really doesn’t make sense.
Ekeler is not Gordon. They have different strengths. It stands to reason that the team will use Ekeler differently than they used Gordon. I think touches are more representative of workload than rushing attempts. YMMV.
Agree to disagree with your first paragraph about all touches being the same but that’s fine. The post of mine in this convo was a response to someone throwing shade about Melvin not playing full seasons. To me it apples to oranges because their use is different.
Who knows what you’ll get from Gordon this year and he will be 27 at the start of next year. His value was always tenuous and he would likely be a depreciating asset moving forward. Diggs’ value should hold over the next handful of years
As a dynasty Gordon owner, I like that deal for you.
