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RB Melvin Gordon, BAL (2 Viewers)
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Mario Wario
Footballguy
I’m just going to say it, but the Chargers are asking for trouble if using Gordon so soon, regardless of facing the pathetic Dolphins. He missed training camp and the preseason so his odds on getting hurt is higher than normal. I’m guessing leadership didn’t learn when Gordon hurt his right knee last year vs. Arizona, knowing his other knee was bugging him, with the game under control. Unlucky things do happen in football and it always targets his knees. In 2015, he got hurt just by rushing for a yard vs. the Dolphins. Yes, it was a knee injury.
But hey, the Chargers love taking risks so let’s see what happens. If I had Gordon on my fantasy team, I wouldn’t be starting him this week unless there’s no option left.
But hey, the Chargers love taking risks so let’s see what happens. If I had Gordon on my fantasy team, I wouldn’t be starting him this week unless there’s no option left.
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rockaction
Footballguy
As an outsider, I would definitely not play him this week. Game shape, as Maurile alluded to, seems to be a very real thing at the professional level.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
12 touches, 81 yds, TD
Mike Pouncey will tear a hole thru the middle of the Phins pathetic defense and both RBs for LAC should have success. Second level runs and maybe one or two from long distance.
Mike Pouncey will tear a hole thru the middle of the Phins pathetic defense and both RBs for LAC should have success. Second level runs and maybe one or two from long distance.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Makes more sense to judge his conditioning over the practices (which they did and he went from not playing to playing based on it being good enough to do so) and also judge it during the game. Let him run one or two times and bring him off the field and see where he is at. To make the determination in the game and keep an eye on his status seems the best course.
Absolutely this.
If ownership and the coaching staff really need this guy to make a playoff push, playing Gordon would be completely irresponsible.
The PR backlash that would emerge if he tore his ACL would be insane. They'd look like buffoons.
And Gordon himself would look like the biggest buffoon. Yeah, let's try and hold out most of the year, then I see Ekeler making my decision look silly, and now I totally screw myself with injury.
Lot of dumb going on if Gordon plays. At all.
Skeletore Eh
Footballguy
https://mobile.twitter.com/ByMikeJones/status/1178011895304982528?s=19
feel like if he’s gonna play at all I gotta flex him at the very least.
feel like if he’s gonna play at all I gotta flex him at the very least.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
Twenty-Four Eighty-Four
Footballguy
I read on Rotoworld that some reporter thinks he will get about the same number of snaps that Justin Jackson has been getting.
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The Chargers shouldn't care at all about Gordon. He selfishly held out and everyone knows he won't be with the team next year.
The backlash if they lose to Miami would also be bad especially if Gordon doesn't play.
I would be okay with that against Miami. Should get some goal line looks too I’d imagine.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Chargers just lost 1 good RB for what is looking like several weeks in Jackson...I don't see them wanting to run either of these guys into the ground. That said, snap count so far has ben about 70/30 Ekeler vs JJ, you can discuss why those numbers are what they are but it feels like LAC in general likes to use 1 RB vs a RBBC so a 50/50 split unlikely.
Gordon will see 25-30% of the snaps IMHO, same as JJ and will get somewhere around 10-12 touches, whatever the yds, 50/50 on a TD because it's Miami.\
What happens next week? We can argue about it M-F but this weekend I think Gordon will see close to what JJ was doing in terms of snaps. Once the game is out of control if it gets to that point...I doubt you see either RB, some practice squad guy will enter the game and blast a 50 yd TD vs the pathetic Phins, at which point that RB becomes the new Unicorn for the Chargers backfield.
Gordon will see 25-30% of the snaps IMHO, same as JJ and will get somewhere around 10-12 touches, whatever the yds, 50/50 on a TD because it's Miami.\
What happens next week? We can argue about it M-F but this weekend I think Gordon will see close to what JJ was doing in terms of snaps. Once the game is out of control if it gets to that point...I doubt you see either RB, some practice squad guy will enter the game and blast a 50 yd TD vs the pathetic Phins, at which point that RB becomes the new Unicorn for the Chargers backfield.
ShamrockPride
Footballguy
I'm with you. I feel like people are getting Durant flashbacks or something with all this coming back too soon stuff.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Jacksons play counts... 16, 17, 28.
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Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Barring injury, I think Ekeler keeps most of his role and Gordon slots into Jackson's spot for the rest of the year.
Twenty-Four Eighty-Four
Footballguy
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Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
We'll see I guess. I think touches will be even-ish, but Ekeler gets the catches.
Weebs210
Footballguy
I mean, I think its completely reasonable to suggest this will be the case this week, maybe even 2-3 weeks, especially if Ekeler continues tearing up, and the Chargers offense is highly successful. That said, it'd be pretty shocking if Ekeler held Gordon off beyond that. I will say, its a non-zero chance that Ekeler is the RB to own going forward(in PPR leagues anyway) but its not the most likely outcome.
With the way the rest of the offense(other than Allen) is dropping like flies, its very possible that both Gordon and Ekeler can see 15+ touches a week, though that would involve some creative play calling, and sets. Its not unheard of though. Since 2000 the following tandems have each finished as top-20 RB's:
2016 Falcons: Devonta Freeman and Tevin Coleman
2009 Panthers: DeAngelo Williams and Jonathan Stewart
2018 Bears: Jordan Howard and Tarik Cohen
2013 Lions: Joique Bell and Reggie Bush
2006 Jaguars: Fred Taylor and Maurice Jones-Drew
2006 Saints: Deuce McAllister and Reggie Bush
2017 Saints: Alvin Kamara and Mark Ingram
2008 Titans: Chris Johnson and LenDale White
In my opinion the most similar comparison to the current Chargers backfield, would be either the 2006 Jaguars, or the 2006 Saints. The Jags had a workhorse RB, who had a rough injury history, and an explosive younger RB, who kept defenses on their toes. The 2006 Saints had a workhorse RB, who was on his way out, and a young RB, who excelled in the passing game and was the future of the position for the team.
Maybe I'm wrong, and maybe the split will be what it was in 2018, but I can't help but think Ekeler is needed to do more, and has more than earned it. I'd still rather have Gordon going forward, but I believe there is room for low-end RB2 production for Ekeler, with low-end RB1 production for Gordon.
In saying that, I'll defer to Chargers homers, but is it feasible, given that their #2 pass catcher is currently Dontrelle Inman?
As an Ekeler owner I hope you're right, but I think you're most likely dead wrong here.
Lynn has been sending every possible signal that MG is the lead dog. First no exemption list, then we went from maybe there's a chance MG is playing to he is now active. If MG gets double digit carries today after a layoff with only a day or two of practice, well, that will just about do it.
Twenty-Four Eighty-Four
Footballguy
Ian Rapoport in Twitter:
"Two notes on #Chargers RB Melvin Gordon: 1. The plan is for him to be active but only used in an emergency"
The other is just how he worked out with Golden Tate and he says he's on a mission.
"Two notes on #Chargers RB Melvin Gordon: 1. The plan is for him to be active but only used in an emergency"
The other is just how he worked out with Golden Tate and he says he's on a mission.
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KellysHeroes
Footballguy
NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports Melvin Gordon will be active for Week 4 against the Dolphins but will only play in an "emergency."
Morton Muffley
Footballguy
Well, if Ian Rapoport is saying THAT, then I guess we can start him with CONFIDENCE! (semi-serious)
Tau837
Footballguy
You forgot the best example. In 2013, Woodhead was RB12 and Mathews was RB17 playing under OC Whisenhunt for the Chargers. Woodhead had 106 carries and 88 targets; Mathews had 285 carries and 33 targets. Obviously, Whisenhunt is the current Chargers OC.travdogg said:
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Kenny Powers
Footballguy
Anyone actually starting him?!
boilerdave
Footballguy
I’m not starting him...will probably regret the decision.
Pope with a 15 yard TD reception on a scramble by Rivers. No need for Gordon, unless there's an injury. It' the system and the QB.
Ray Barboni
Footballguy
Any of you smart guys have insight on where our boy is going next?
Staying with the Chargers obviously will have the best outcome - but so you think he will leave?
How do you see he’s fantasy life unfolding if he leaves?
Staying with the Chargers obviously will have the best outcome - but so you think he will leave?
How do you see he’s fantasy life unfolding if he leaves?
The Big Donkey
Footballguy
Ray Barboni
Footballguy
Dizzy
Footballguy
With how well Ekeler is playing, and how poorly the Broncos have played, I think they'll continue to take it slow-ish with Gordon. I'd expect Ekeler to play more than Gordon this week. Maybe 60-40. So 18 touches for Ekeler and 12 for Gordon?
Weebs210
Footballguy
https://mobile.twitter.com/Rotoworld_FB/status/1179785940195102720?s=19
Lynn: Gordon 'definitely' part of game plan
Choo choo?
Lynn: Gordon 'definitely' part of game plan
Choo choo?
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