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RB Melvin Gordon, BAL (7 Viewers)
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Xue
Footballguy
Edge never showed that kind of speed on the field. He was more known for his sick agility. Look up his 3-cone and shuttle.
Gordon has much better lateral quickness than Murray.
If I had to do a 1-for-1 comparison, Gordon reminds me most of Fred Jackson.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Xue
Footballguy
Jamaal Charles ran the same 40. Edge had the same speed on the field as Charles? That's ridiculous. Edge never had a season above 4.6 YPC, and he was in a Peyton Manning offense. Charles has a career YPC above 5.0. Let that sink in.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Xue
Footballguy
Xue
Footballguy
Edge ran 4.38. Charles ran 4.38. Only one of these guys plays/played to that speed.I dont think ypc directly translates intro speed. Not sure where you get that from.
Regardless, Gordon's acceleration is crazy good on the field. I don't think he'll have any shortage of 20+ yard runs. He probably won't have many 40+ ones though.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Charles has to play fast to minimize contact as often as he can, Edge didn't.Edge ran 4.38. Charles ran 4.38. Only one of these guys plays/played to that speed.I dont think ypc directly translates intro speed. Not sure where you get that from.
Regardless, Gordon's acceleration is crazy good on the field. I don't think he'll have any shortage of 20+ yard runs. He probably won't have many 40+ ones though.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Wait, so Edge could have played faster but chose not to?Charles has to play fast to minimize contact as often as he can, Edge didn't.Edge ran 4.38. Charles ran 4.38. Only one of these guys plays/played to that speed.Regardless, Gordon's acceleration is crazy good on the field. I don't think he'll have any shortage of 20+ yard runs. He probably won't have many 40+ ones though.I dont think ypc directly translates intro speed. Not sure where you get that from.
jtd13
Footballguy
He liked getting hit, so he didn't run as fast as he could.Wait, so Edge could have played faster but chose not to?Charles has to play fast to minimize contact as often as he can, Edge didn't.Edge ran 4.38. Charles ran 4.38. Only one of these guys plays/played to that speed.Regardless, Gordon's acceleration is crazy good on the field. I don't think he'll have any shortage of 20+ yard runs. He probably won't have many 40+ ones though.I dont think ypc directly translates intro speed. Not sure where you get that from.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
No. But his style wasnt to jitterbug and always be hitting the jets to not take shots.Wait, so Edge could have played faster but chose not to?Charles has to play fast to minimize contact as often as he can, Edge didn't.Edge ran 4.38. Charles ran 4.38. Only one of these guys plays/played to that speed.Regardless, Gordon's acceleration is crazy good on the field. I don't think he'll have any shortage of 20+ yard runs. He probably won't have many 40+ ones though.I dont think ypc directly translates intro speed. Not sure where you get that from.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
You aren't being particularly clearNo. But his style wasnt to jitterbug and always be hitting the jets to not take shots.Wait, so Edge could have played faster but chose not to?Charles has to play fast to minimize contact as often as he can, Edge didn't.Edge ran 4.38. Charles ran 4.38. Only one of these guys plays/played to that speed.Regardless, Gordon's acceleration is crazy good on the field. I don't think he'll have any shortage of 20+ yard runs. He probably won't have many 40+ ones though.I dont think ypc directly translates intro speed. Not sure where you get that from.
Xue
Footballguy
You just dispelled your own argument.Charles has to play fast to minimize contact as often as he can, Edge didn't.Edge ran 4.38. Charles ran 4.38. Only one of these guys plays/played to that speed.I dont think ypc directly translates intro speed. Not sure where you get that from.
Regardless, Gordon's acceleration is crazy good on the field. I don't think he'll have any shortage of 20+ yard runs. He probably won't have many 40+ ones though.
jurb26
Footballguy
Same 40 time does not = same type of runner. Charles is a smooth runner, in and out of cuts. He loses little to no speed in his transition. This is what reminds people of Gordon, not the actual speed. This smooth transition leads to "playing speed." Edge was a jittery runner with more dynamic cuts, stop/start.
Not only that, but Charles is a top tier sprinter. Edge was not. 40 may be similar but Charles long speed blows most anyone else away.
My 2 cents.
Not only that, but Charles is a top tier sprinter. Edge was not. 40 may be similar but Charles long speed blows most anyone else away.
My 2 cents.
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
I don't have a crystal ball, of course, but I wouldn't be banking on much in the way of ppr -- in year one, anyway
Steve Grogan
Footballguy
I think Gordon is now being massively under valued. It's become trendy to rank him behind Cooper and White. Has everyone forgotten how scarce fantasy RBs actually are in most leagues???
bonscott
Footballguy
I'm probably going to take him with the 1.01 in a 16 team contract/salary cap league. Only .25 PPR for RBs. Max 5 year contracts. I'm in championship mode this year only with Bell as my only RB and he's out the first 3 weeks. Gordon projects to start and produce right away while Gurley may be on the PUP and brought along slowly. So Gordon project better for this year for my run. Years 2-5 Gurley probably has more upside but Gordon won't really be that far behind in my eyes so I'll get a guy I can still rebuild around.
chad in Indy
Footballguy
Sorry, but Edge did not play fast on the field. His career long was 72 yds in 1999. In the next 10 years, he only broke 40 yds twice. 2003(43) & 2004 (40). He would always get chased down.No. But his style wasnt to jitterbug and always be hitting the jets to not take shots.Wait, so Edge could have played faster but chose not to?Charles has to play fast to minimize contact as often as he can, Edge didn't.Edge ran 4.38. Charles ran 4.38. Only one of these guys plays/played to that speed.Regardless, Gordon's acceleration is crazy good on the field. I don't think he'll have any shortage of 20+ yard runs. He probably won't have many 40+ ones though.I dont think ypc directly translates intro speed. Not sure where you get that from.
Think about that. He had Manning as his QB for 7 years and rarely saw a stacked box. If he's fast, how did he only have 3 carries over 40 yds in 11 years? Awesome player over his career, but don't see how you can say he played fast.
Around 20-30 as as rookie as long as Woodhead stays healthy.
A lot more than that (50+) down the road.
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cstu
Footballguy
I haven't been in a league that requires 2 RB's in over 10 years so apparently yes.
Faust
MVP
Melvin Gordon the center of attention on first day of rookie minicamp:
http://espn.go.com/blog/san-diego-chargers/post/_/id/11111/melvin-gordon-the-center-of-attention-on-first-day-of-rookie-minicamp
http://espn.go.com/blog/san-diego-chargers/post/_/id/11111/melvin-gordon-the-center-of-attention-on-first-day-of-rookie-minicamp
cstu
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cstu
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ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
Mathews was actually a very talented RB but had no heart and also got injured constantly.
Xue
Footballguy
It's a valid knock because Gordon created the schedule and decided to avoid the top run defenses.
gianmarco
Footballguy
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
everything's coming up milhouse
gianmarco
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gianmarco
Footballguy
Tau837
Footballguy
There are a few reasons why Gordon isn't likely to play much in passing situations: receiving ability, pass protection, and Woodhead.
On receiving ability, it isn't just that he only caught 22 passes in his career. As the article notes, that could be strictly a function of (lack of) opportunity. But from his NFL draft profile:
Given Gordon's strengths and weaknesses (which also include fumbling), he sounds a lot like Mathews, except not as good a receiver. That is fine if he can stay healthier than Mathews; Mathews was actually a very good running back when healthy. But it implies that the team will likely use him in the near term like they used Mathews, i.e., in on running downs, out on obvious passing downs, and sharing a lot of snaps with Woodhead, Brown, and Oliver.
In 2013, Mathews and Woodhead played in all 16 regular season games. Woodhead played 504 snaps, Mathews 480. I would be surprised if Gordon's snap count is lower than Woodhead's (assuming both remain healthy), but I think it will be lower than most are expecting.
IMO the best case from a dynasty perspective is that he gets better at receiving and pass blocking and is ready to take on passing downs when Woodhead declines.
On receiving ability, it isn't just that he only caught 22 passes in his career. As the article notes, that could be strictly a function of (lack of) opportunity. But from his NFL draft profile:
In addition to that comment on his pass protection, from PFF's College Football Focus Player Profile on Gordon:
Then there is Woodhead, who is expected back at 100% this season. He was very effective in the passing game in 2013. He was signed and subsequently given a contract extension by this regime (Telesco/McCoy). Woodhead isn't a good pass blocker, either, but that doesn't help Gordon. It could lead to some snaps for Brown, whose best attribute is pass blocking. More likely, they will just live with the pro of Woodhead's receiving ability paired with his con of poor pass blocking on passing downs.
Given Gordon's strengths and weaknesses (which also include fumbling), he sounds a lot like Mathews, except not as good a receiver. That is fine if he can stay healthier than Mathews; Mathews was actually a very good running back when healthy. But it implies that the team will likely use him in the near term like they used Mathews, i.e., in on running downs, out on obvious passing downs, and sharing a lot of snaps with Woodhead, Brown, and Oliver.
In 2013, Mathews and Woodhead played in all 16 regular season games. Woodhead played 504 snaps, Mathews 480. I would be surprised if Gordon's snap count is lower than Woodhead's (assuming both remain healthy), but I think it will be lower than most are expecting.
IMO the best case from a dynasty perspective is that he gets better at receiving and pass blocking and is ready to take on passing downs when Woodhead declines.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
Melvin Gordon "could" start. Whoa, whoa, whoa slow down!
ESPN is saying a guy that cost three draft picks will start in front of an undrafted Oliver?! How much is ESPN insider? If this is just a taste of their insights it's hard to imagine what I'm missing from their platinum content!
ESPN is saying a guy that cost three draft picks will start in front of an undrafted Oliver?! How much is ESPN insider? If this is just a taste of their insights it's hard to imagine what I'm missing from their platinum content!
kutta
Footballguy
Am I missing something?
Gordon will be part of a running back by committee approach...
But Gordon will serve as the bell-cow running back.
PhantomZoner
Footballguy
T with T
Footballguy
Agreed what games was Xue watching, and saying Gordon is fjax, please son you need to watch games actually. Gordon is a bigger Jamaal Charles, their is no one else he looks or plays like end of story. Everyone can see that.
T with T
Footballguy
yea that's FBG for you though, guys make up their own theories and present their opinions as facts.. HAHA wowI dont think ypc directly translates intro speed. Not sure where you get that from.
Xue
Footballguy
LOL. You compared him to Charles and then say there is no one else he plays like. LOL.
