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AMEER ABDULLAH | LEFT FOOT INJURY | MONTH-TO-MONTH
Video angles on Abdullah's injury were inconclusive. While I didn't see obvious signs of a high ankle sprain or Lisfranc injury, the video didn't rule out other types of midfoot sprains or a fifth metatarsal fracture. Reports of Abdullah leaving the locker room in a walking boot aren't definitively worrisome but aren't reassuring either. Abdullah will have further imaging studies on Monday. His prognosis will be clearer then, but prepare for a multi-week absence here.

Monday Afternoon Update: There are two critical additional pieces of information on Abdullah this afternoon. First, his x-rays are reportedly negative for a fracture in the foot. That doesn't completely rule out the possibility of a fractured metatarsal, but it's a reassuring start. Abdullah's more specific imaging studies are still pending. Second, either those additional imaging studies or his physical examination -- or both -- are worrisome enough to warrant an in-person second opinion from Dr. Robert Anderson in North Carolina. Anderson is the league's go-to orthopedic surgeon for foot and ankle injuries and specializes in midfoot injuries. While Abdullah's mechanism of injury wasn't obviously scary, today's developments suggest he's suffered an injury that could keep him out multiple weeks.

 

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Just now, bicycle_seat_sniffer said:

Say what u will but the specialist visit is a big deal

definite smoke IMO... certainly enough of a reason to try and pick up his backup in the event he is out month to month or longer.  Sometimes you have to try and read the tea leaves with incomplete information and this is one of those situations where the cost is low but upside could be decent.

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4 minutes ago, Banger said:

definite smoke IMO... certainly enough of a reason to try and pick up his backup in the event he is out month to month or longer.  Sometimes you have to try and read the tea leaves with incomplete information and this is one of those situations where the cost is low but upside could be decent.

Exactly - if you wait until the diagnosis, you sometimes get beat by the crowd. Paralysis by analysis. if you make the claim on speculation that it's worst case, and it turns out to be worst case, great. If you don't, not a big loss so long as you didn't dump anything critical for him. 

Assuming it's Lis Franc or AIDs or a foot amputation is all extreme at this point, yes, but I agree that a trip to the specialist is a very, very bad sign. 

In fantasy sports terms Dr Anderson = Dr Andrews = Dr Kevorkian. :ph34r:

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54 minutes ago, Chaka said:

Okay so because the x-rays were negative and he is going to a foot specialist; in the SP it went from a foot sprain to a lis franc that will keep him out month-to-month.

Is that about right?

I won't even get into a lesson on what x-rays show and don't show. and what a lis franc is and what it isn't. 

But what I will say is when x-rays come back negative do they often send people to specialists? Is Sam Bradford seeing a hand specialist this week? No. The visit to a specific foot specialist is a huge huge deal. If you don't think so that's fine. My medical background in this type of thing, sports medicine, leads me down the path to this is really not a good thing for him.

FWIW I've been right very often when it comes to things like this in the past

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52 minutes ago, Chaka said:

Okay so because the x-rays were negative and he is going to a foot specialist; in the SP it went from a foot sprain to a lis franc that will keep him out month-to-month.

Is that about right?

This is what I was trying to clear up.  I don't want to make light of the injury because it may indeed be a long term deal but at this point most everything is speculation.  The speculation was muddying the waters between what is information released and what was speculation.

 

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10 minutes ago, Timmay said:

He was visiting the specialist today right? I wish some type of news would come out on him. 

I don't. Tomorrow would be best. You can at least make a cheap claim on Washington tonight. If bad news comes out you're paying a LOT more for Washington

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Just now, Dondante said:

Who's holding. Who's dropping? Who's grabbing Washington? 

I am pulling the trigger on Washington because my situation necessitates taking action. I might even come in after waivers and try to scoop up Bell. It's a significant opportunity cost because I have 1st waiver priority but as the saying goes, "Buy on rumour, sell on fact"...

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4 hours ago, Dr. Brew said:

I don't. Tomorrow would be best. You can at least make a cheap claim on Washington tonight. If bad news comes out you're paying a LOT more for Washington

Is anyone besides Abdullah owners going after Washington, hoping a bid of a few $ gets him? If Bell comes in do you go after another back instead?

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56 minutes ago, GoBirds said:

Is anyone besides Abdullah owners going after Washington, hoping a bid of a few $ gets him? If Bell comes in do you go after another back instead?

Chris Thompson is on my ww and I'm in a ppr league. I think I'm going to go for him as my top add. I figure Thompson might get a lot of receptions going against the Giants. 

Washington was my top add but them bringing in Bell makes me wonder how much of a mess this backfield may be. Bell isn't signed yet so maybe they were just kicking the tires. But I need someone to start this week and Thompson may fit the bill

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 Much as I hated to do it, I cut Abdullah earlier after waivers opened in one specific league.

 In said league I did NOT have Riddick (one league I have Riddick I am holding both).

 In the league where I dropped Abdullah, I am essentially LOADED , and he wasn't going to be anywhere near my starting lineup, and I think we are looking at a 3 week absence at a minimum.  So it is a scenario where I will likely never start him, PLUS its essentially a wasted bench spot.

 

 So then the question is, who did I pick up?

 Well I take long shot dart throws on my 6th+ RB, so I tend to gamble. In this case, I "gambled" with the highest ceiling. I picked up DEVONTAE BOOKER. If I am going to gamble, I do so with the very high upside.  Booker could well turn out to be a league winner if the cards fall just right.

 Look at the massive workload CJ Anderson is currently getting, and that guy has never exactly been a bastion of health.  If CJ goes down, he will be a must own.

 

 I tend to look at Abdullah currently, as only a "must own" if you happened to have Riddick too. This business of going to see a foot specialist, is just not good. It screams of a multi-week absence, and bench spots are too precious at this point in the season.

 I was high on AA this year, but i just wasn't meant to be at this point I guess.

 In my biggest league, I am debating on dropping Ameer Abdullah for Jordan Howard. I am a little bit more "RB needy" there, and its a real decision. I lost Woodhead in that league, but I do have Melvin Gordon, LeSean McCoy, Rashad Jennings, Ameer Abdullah, Tevin Coleman and a freshly acquired Booker. (and I am not big on LeSean McCoy anymore, his schedule looks bad)

 

 Hopefully my views and choices on Abdullah may give some others some context, on how some of us are dealing with this scenario.  Its a tough call on him, hopefully we have some more clarity today or a word from the specialist.

 If its deemed to be a 6 week absence, I am cutting him and moving on.

 

 

 TZM

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13 minutes ago, Banger said:

wow....the specialist smoke was certainly a concern.  Is IR season ending?

From wikipedia

Starting in 2012, the NFL and the NFLPA reached an agreement allowing one player placed on injured reserve to be brought back to the active roster.[3] Provided that the player was on the final 53-man preseason roster (A rule exempted for the 2012 season), and that the injury is deemed to keep this player unable to practice or play football for an estimated six weeks, the player may be allowed to practice after Week 6, and be activated to play after Week 8.[4]

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I don't believe we have heard exactly what the injury is yet but clearly a multiple week injury.  This backfield continues to be murky.  Riddick will certainly catch a lot of passes and do some running.  Washington will get used some.  I know Bell visited, I don't know if he signed, but he had been the lead dog the past couple of years so you figure he could come in and see a fair amount of playing time right away.  I think if you are investing in this backfield you can get some touches but I doubt there will be any fantasy gold.

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29 minutes ago, Warhogs said:

I don't believe we have heard exactly what the injury is yet but clearly a multiple week injury.  This backfield continues to be murky.  Riddick will certainly catch a lot of passes and do some running.  Washington will get used some.  I know Bell visited, I don't know if he signed, but he had been the lead dog the past couple of years so you figure he could come in and see a fair amount of playing time right away.  I think if you are investing in this backfield you can get some touches but I doubt there will be any fantasy gold.

As a new Washington owner, Bell does not concern me.  Riddick does.  Riddick is definitely going to get most of the receiving work and he should.  Maybe Detroit will lean on Riddick even more for carries as well.  In today's RBBC NFL, Washington should get a chance to show what he can do in the upcoming weeks.  It is his early down RB job to lose.  Just my humble opinion of course. 

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If I were gambling on anyone I would want Riddick.  Washington will get some too.  I just read they signed George Winn so maybe they are taking a pass on Joique Bell and are rolling with Riddick/Washington/Zenner.  Zenner is worth watching as well.

 

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25 minutes ago, eoMMan said:

8 weeks at a minimum....wow 

I'm torn between putting him in my one IR spot or just letting him go completely . I doubt he'll have much value if he comes back week 11 or week 12.

shefter's tweet was odd... he used the phrase out for the year... which i have to guess is a misspeak given the new IR rules?  or perhaps he is getting info abdullah actually is done for the year.  needless to say im dropping him because i'd rather carry dion lewis in my IR slot

 

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20 minutes ago, DocHolliday said:

As a new Washington owner, Bell does not concern me.  Riddick does.  Riddick is definitely going to get most of the receiving work and he should.  Maybe Detroit will lean on Riddick even more for carries as well.  In today's RBBC NFL, Washington should get a chance to show what he can do in the upcoming weeks.  It is his early down RB job to lose.  Just my humble opinion of course. 

now that we know abdullah is gone long term, i'm much mre on board with washington as a nice RB stash.  IMO riddick isnt built to be a 20 touch per game back... he too is likely to get hurt which would put washington in line for nice fantasy production

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I grabbed Washington in both leagues - drafted Riddick in one. Feels pretty lucky as that's the league I lose Foster for a week or 3 in. Hopefully Riddick takes the job and runs with it (no pun intended) or Washington - either way I hope they settle on one dude. For now they're saying it's Riddick, but this is the Lions we're talking about here...

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1 hour ago, Warhogs said:

If I were gambling on anyone I would want Riddick.  Washington will get some too.  I just read they signed George Winn so maybe they are taking a pass on Joique Bell and are rolling with Riddick/Washington/Zenner.  Zenner is worth watching as well.

 

Have Riddick in PPR as depth.  Still not sure how great any of them are in non-ppr.  Even PPR it looks like emergency level only for me.

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A funny aside...just got done watching an Amazon prime show called All or Nothing which followed the Cards through the whole year.  Great show for those that haven't watched it and have Prime... in the first episode it shows the Cards war room and they were dead set on drafting Abdullah....the pick right before them the Lions took him...they were absolutely crushed but decided to go with Plan B and draft David Johnson later in the draft. Funny how things work out sometimes....

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2 hours ago, bostonfred said:

From wikipedia

Starting in 2012, the NFL and the NFLPA reached an agreement allowing one player placed on injured reserve to be brought back to the active roster.[3] Provided that the player was on the final 53-man preseason roster (A rule exempted for the 2012 season), and that the injury is deemed to keep this player unable to practice or play football for an estimated six weeks, the player may be allowed to practice after Week 6, and be activated to play after Week 8.[4]

But if you're the Lions, do you bring back Abdullah?  Or Bostic?  I have to think Bostic is the play.

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23 minutes ago, Hu-Tang Clan said:

Don't they have to actually designate whether the player is eligible to return when they place him on IR?

New rule passed in March that you can make the designation on the back end instead of when they are placed on the IR. Still have to have been on IR 6 weeks and eligible to come off 2 weeks after designated to return, so the minimum AA will be out is 8 weeks. No guarantee he'll be back this year but they have that flexibility. Under the previous rule, when they place him on the IR they would have had to make the call immediately if it was season ending or designated to return this season.

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The big difference for me between Best and Abdullah is that Best's career ended because of multiple, very bad concussions. Before coming to the NFL, Abdullah was an iron man. His only injury was an MCL sprain that knocked him out of a game and which he returned from after a bye week for the next game. The off season shoulder injury was his first ever injury requiring a surgery, as far as I'm aware. Frustrating that they're not saying what the injury is this time. 

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